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Presumed_Lost
27
Mar 12, 2017
First dozens and dozens of tops and accessories for tops, and now this... I've got no problem with people spending their money on whatever they want, but I suspect most folks looking for "EDC" are looking for and expecting to find utilitarian/useful items, not toys. Maybe they should really be in their own category?
MikeMcParty
48
Mar 13, 2017
Presumed_LostCoincidentally, that's why you can pick which groups to be a part of. Be more specific then.
DDro
390
Mar 13, 2017
MikeMcPartyThat is his point -- he is wondering why as a member of the EDC group he keeps seeing these toys. He's asking whether there should be a group like Tops and Toys or something like that so the EDC group includes only useful EDC items - like knives, lights and other things generally considered EDC.
MikeMcParty
48
Mar 13, 2017
DDroBut there are other groups for knives and the like. Who defines what EDC means? It is, by definition, something that is carried every day. To some, that may be a fidget toy and right now, they are bringing a lot of traffic to the site. I wouldn't be opposed to a "fidget" category though.
DDro
390
Mar 13, 2017
MikeMcPartyYeah, until very recently knives were part of the EDC group until they graduated and got their own category.
Presumed_Lost
27
Mar 13, 2017
MikeMcPartyNobody has suggested that the items be removed from Massdrop.
Not that many years ago there was a young lady in college who chose to protest by carrying a mattress on her back every day. You can argue all you want that this made the mattress "EDC" for her, but even if we agree it won't mean that anyone will ever join the EDC group because they're shopping for mattresses.
I am interested in most of the things in this category, but no, I'm not personally interested in toys, rabbit's feet, challenge coins, dice (however many-sided), things with no intrinsic useful function. I've been told that I'm too much of a pragmatist before, but even that concept puzzles me... as I understand it, a pragmatist has no interest in things that do not at least have utilitarian potential. Put slightly differently, I have no use for things that are of no use. I find it hard to view that as a fault. Maybe it's just me.
I think most people's expectations in viewing an "everyday carry" category are that they will see things that some people reasonably expect might be useful on any given day when they're out and about. That would seem to exclude things of no real practical use at all.
I'd suggest that the most logical name for a new group would be "adult toys", but I'm told that it has already been appropriated. Ahem.
MikeMcParty
48
Mar 13, 2017
Presumed_LostBut you are neglecting the fact that many of these objects do have use for some people. Those who have anxiety, fidget, or are even collectors all have a use for these types of objects. I carry a tiny spinner with me and it has helped me stop bouncing my leg, which is a habit that disturbs those around me.
Presumed_Lost
27
Mar 17, 2017
MikeMcPartyYou're trying to generalize from a pretty exceptional case here.
Look, I don't want to be unsympathetic. It's said that Teddy Roosevelt carried something like 25 pairs of glasses on his charge up San Juan Hill, he was (not unreasonably) terrified of being caught in battle and unable to see. I empathize entirely, I need reading glasses to read and to work efficiently at a computer, I dread and hate being caught without them, and I feel like half of my capability is gone when it happens. I don't even want to think about that coinciding with a real survival situation. For my EDC and my emergency/"get home"/ whatever kits, they are a must.
That doesn't mean that I expect to find reading glasses in a generic survival kit, or in a list of survival items (unless there is something pretty remarkable about them). My need is not shared by most of the populace, so however essential they are for me, expecting the rest of the world to accommodate that is unreasonable. If everyone had eyesight like mine they certainly would be in such kits and lists. It's not the validity of the need that's in question, it's whether it is generally shared.
My sympathies if you can't get by without a top, certainly buy and carry whatever you like, but that does not define this category. For most people they have no real utility, and I'm pretty sure that most people looking at "EDC" don't expect to find toys. I've certainly never seen them in this category anywhere else.
MikeMcParty
48
Mar 17, 2017
Presumed_LostIs EDC defined as something that needs to help you survive? I don't know. It may have started that way, but has organically evolved away from that to wallets, keychains, fidget toys, journals, and the like. What sets a fidget spinner apart from a journal?
Presumed_Lost
27
Mar 17, 2017
MikeMcPartyNo, EDC is not defined as survival, I was using that as an example of how categorization works. What sets a "fidget spinner" apart from all your other examples? Most folks find all the others to have practical utility. They do something useful. They enhance one's capability.
Sorry, but I've spent way too much time on this topic, I've said all I have to say and more than I wanted to, I don't expect to respond anymore. It's not my site, I've got no stake in it, they can do whatever they want. I personally have zero interest in tops or other toys, and if the EDC category continues to deteriorate I'll just compensate by following it less closely, of course, because at least for me it's steadily becoming less and less relevant.