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couyllere
4
Sep 18, 2016
hello there ! I've mounted my beautiful Whitefox, and I have this little problem with it: a lot of keys are way too sensitives, I can't press them without registering multiple actuations, and if I just move the key without pressing down it registers a key press as well. What it is ? bad soldering ? I think I did ok although I'm not a veteran. Software problem ? I flashed the chip multiple without better results. Are the zealios switches broken ? I changed some with the extra two given in the drop and they seem better. thanks a bunch
Jerrion
65
Sep 19, 2016
couyllereThere is a known issue with zealios switch chatter. There have been some links posted in one of the 218 pages of this thread. I believe you can fix them by taking them apart and bending the contacts a little. Maybe someone has the other link handy but here is a post on reddit about the issue.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3ywihq/keyboard_science_this_is_why_some_tactile_zealios/
If you scroll down someone posted a pic of how to fix the issue.
couyllere
4
Sep 19, 2016
JerrionHey thanks Jerrion ! it's seems weird that so many of my switches chatter, because it was described as rare on the Reddit thread you linked. do you think I should ask for replacement switches ? I'll try to repair one or two myself when I get the time I installed switchhitter that can detect key chatter and got some pretty bad results https://elitekeyboards.com/switchhitter.php
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Jerrion
65
Sep 20, 2016
couyllereI'm not sure weather they would do a replacement and getting anything from them is like pulling all your teeth and fingernails. Supposedly they are going to send me some stabilizers this week so I can finish putting mine together but no shipping notification so far. I tested the keys that dont require stabilizers and from what I can tell I have no chatter (65g purples). Ill give that program a try this week some time and post my results. Good luck.
therivenman
3
Sep 23, 2016
couyllereI had this same problem with many of my zealios switches on my White Fox. I had to fix around 6-8 switches on my board, but it was very easy, since you can remove the switch top without de-soldering the switch. I just bent the contacts back a bit like the image shows and since then I haven't had any problems with key chatter.
wako
0
Sep 26, 2016
Jerrioncan someone ELI5 what switch chatter is?
couyllere
4
Sep 26, 2016
wakoit's when one physical press of the switch causes multiple electric actuations, you end up wriiiitiiinggg liiiikeee thiiiis it happens normally in the lifetime of a mechanical switch, and can be fixed easily, but some Zealios switches are like that out of the box (like mine)
This page has a clearer definition: (https://elitekeyboards.com/switchhitter.php)
"Key switch "chattering" aka "contact bouncing" is a natural occurrence in mechanical switches that can cause one switch press to be detected as multiple presses. Digital electronics in a keyboard normally filter out chatter and can handle a small deviation in chatter in a properly performing key switch, however, in the case that a switch is damaged or defective, the amount of chatter can become too large to be filtered. The result is a repetition of key input seen on your computer screen for only one intended key press.
For a typical Cherry MX based keyboard, the chatter filtering is set to 5-10 milliseconds, but this is not a value that is typically disclosed by keyboard manufacturers. Since input speed capability is a marketable specification, many manufacturers understandably push their luck in this regard. This means that switches must be of excellent performing condition in order to avoid chattering. Unfortunately, environmental contaminants and keyboard build quality can affect how quickly a key switch departs from an acceptable chattering range, and most Cherry MX keyboard owners will see some chattering at some time in their keyboard's lifetime. Fortunately, the amount of chattering is often not frequent enough to cause noticeable issues for most users. However, if you think you may have a chattering issue, Switch Hitter can help diagnose just how bad it is and whether a repair is justifiable."
And this reddit post explain why it's happening : https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3ywihq/keyboard_science_this_is_why_some_tactile_zealios/
Jerrion
65
Sep 26, 2016
wakoWhen you press a key it registers multiple times. ie If you hit the "e" key and instead of seeing "e" you see "eee".
couyllere
4
Oct 1, 2016
therivenmanI did that, and it worked: no more chatter! I re-purposed a paper clamp (bent it and flattened the ends) following a tutorial I found in a reddit thread:
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Then opened and pushed the small plate as described in this popular image:
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thx all for your answers
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