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Thinksound ON2 Headphones

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mullos

Nov 26, 2016

Pulled out - going to wait for the E-MU Teak drop. Already have a pair of on ear woodies. ESW9a's so these would be superfluous unless they are a major upgrade and I can't find anybody saying that - yet.

K.T.N

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Nov 26, 2016

mullosWell, I wouldn't say they are superfluous, as the Thinksound have an entirely different sound than the ESW9a.
They are entirely different sounding headphones (I have both Thinksound ON1 and ESW9a). See my comments further down comparing both.
So the Thinksound may or may not be a major upgrade for you depending on what you like (In fact, I've recently pulled my ESW9a's out recently, and actually am finding them a bit tame and lifeless. Not as engaging as I had recalled when I got them. But that may be a systems matching thing as my setup has changed since then).
That said, the E-MU Teak is supposed to be awesome (but again, not designed for portable use, like the Thinksound, so again different), so there's no fault to want to go for the E-MU Teak. I don't think you can lose, there.

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tenaciousTech

Nov 27, 2016

mullosThese are excellent headphones! Very nice finish, two very nice removable cables supplied. Petty comfortable, unless maybe you wear glasses, because on-ear adds pressure where glasses may sit. I wear glasses and its not a deal breaker for me.
No regrets here, these are easy to enjoy, and very much so. Not "analytical", but very "musical" I'm actually really surprised these get so little attention on discussions.
Better quality in bass, and sound stage than compared to something like ATH-M50x(used to own). I would imagine they sound rather different than the usual Audio Technica "house sound/tuning" the ESW9a may have.
I hear great things about the E-MU Teak... But I'm just here waiting for my TH-X00 Ebony to arrive!

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Dec 26, 2016

mullosThe On2 is warm-neutral, the ESW9a are similar but the treble isn't as hi-fi. I don't know the E-MU but it's extremely unlikely it will have a hi-fi signature.

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mullos

Dec 26, 2016

dalethornThanks for your comments. Are you saying the On2 is similar to the ESW9a but with more articulate highs?? If so I might go for the On2's as the price is right and the more I think about it my casual listening style might make them more attractive from a price point of view to the Teak's.
Cheers.

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Dec 27, 2016

mullosYep - definitely more articulate, but even better, the On2 doesn't have nearly as much midrange coloration. The earpad difference is interesting - the On2's are rounded out a bit, not ideal, but the ESW9a's are beveled so much that they're never comfy to me. The ESW11-Ltd earpads were flatter and best of all three, but that sucker was $700!
Edit: The really thin ESW9a cable broke twice at the earcup, but the On2 cable is awesome - and detachable.

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mullos

Dec 27, 2016

dalethornCheers mate. I'm in for this drop. I recently got rid of my T51P's due to the cable stiffening so it will be interesting to compare to those as well when I receive the ON2's.
Many thanks for your assistance.
PS - Please, no more in car reviews!! ;)

Dec 27, 2016

mullosFunny! I had the T51p - cable broke - thin, like the ESW9a. Sound very different though.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornLOL, the EMU is way more of a "HiFi signature" than the ESW9a. there isn't a single way the EMU teak isn't drastically better than the esw9a, other than portability. The emu teak is one of the 10 best closed headphones in the world, regardless price.

Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonUh, no .... from Innerfidelity: "A warm, relaxed, and somewhat veiled sounding headphone. Bass level is slightly accentuated and only slightly bleeds into the mids."
The keywords "warm, relaxed, veiled" are a triple emphasis on a muted treble, never mind the "bleeding" part. That's not even mid-fi, it's lo-fi.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornYou have no idea what you're talking about. i own the esw9a. I've heard the emu teak pretty extensively. the teak is pretty close to the old Denon D7000, one of the most highly regarded closed hi-fi headphones of all-time. Calling it lo-fi in comparison to the esw9a and the on2 is just ignorant. I don't mean ignorant as an insult, but rather the literal definition of speaking from a lack of knowledge, in the most literal sense of you have no idea what you're talking about because you've never heard the headphone you're talking about and are relying on misinterpaction of Tyll's words. I know Tyll and the emu teak is one of his favorite headphones. It's relaxed ***compared to headphones in its price range like the HD800***
the emu teak is head and shoulders above the headphones we are talking about here. The emu teak is more resolving, more detailed, has better bass and treble extension, has better soundstage, has better transient response. You can email Tyll (the person you quoted above) and ask him if you'd like.
that's no slam on the on2, the on2 is drastically cheaper (the emu teak costs around $500-$600) and isn't portable. The emu teak is just a different class and category of headphone.
This is why people should stick to talking about things they've heard, because otherwise they end up putting out very bad information. This isn't a matter of you having a poor opinion, you don't even have an opinion because you've never heard what you're giving strong takes on.
Im sorry if this seems harsh, but people giving strong statements on stuff they've never even heard is one of my biggest pet peeves on this website.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonTo put some objective data into this on the esw9a and emu teak (couldn't find the same info for the on2):
Emu teak THD and impulse response:

Esw9a THD and impulse response:

Esw9a frequency response

Emu teak frequency response:

As we can see, the esw9a has a lot of distortion and a terrible impulse response (the double long peak on the same side is particularly bad). The esw9a also rolls off significantly in the bass and treble and has large dips in the middle of the upper midrange and lower treble. The teak on the other hand has a smooth bass tilt that is even, without dips. It also has much lower distortion and a zippy impule response with much less ringing. The question of which is more "hi-if" isn't even a question.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonI've reviewed 160 headphones, own 20 now, and have a master's grasp of audio and computers. I do know what I'm talking about, and you don't. But why argue with me? I know you're wrong, so all you need to do to "sell" this product is convince the others here. And BTW, Innerfidelity backed up exactly what I said.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornNo, you don't know what you're talking about because as you admitted in the very first response, you'be never heard the headphone he was talking about.
I never questioned your general knowledge or intellIgence. I said you can't make statements like you did about headphones you've never even heard. That is the definition of ignorance. It's not that you're wrong, it's that you have absolutely no basis for making the statement you did because you have never even heard it. You're just guessing, and your guess turned out to be wrong.
It would be very different if you had heard the teak and said "I don't like it, I think the Esw9a and on2 sound better." I would strongly disagree with that opinion, but fine, people can disagree with how things sound.
What youre doing is just making opinions up out of whole cloth.
I dont understabd whats so complicated about you just admitting you've never heard it and thus admitting your opinion of its sound is worse than an opinion, that it's a wild guess you're making.
Innerfidelity backed up what you're saying? Ten times as much distortion in the bass and a 6dB valley in the treble and a retarded looking impulse response are backing up your claims that the esw9a is more "hi-fi"?
how do I also know that Tyll would never call the teak anything but hi-fi? Well because I've listened to those very headphones in the same room with him. Again, the Teaks are in a different class from the On2 and esw9a. Anybody who has listened to both will tell you that. This isn't a slam on the On2. Just pointing out that what you were saying when he asked about the teak was severely misinformed.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornAlso you're being borderline dishonest by taking a single line out of context in the innerfidelity review of the Teak and saying "that sounds like Lo-Fi"
http://www.innerfidelity.com/content/survey-foster-443742-variants-subjective-listening-tests-denon-ah-d5000-massdrop-fostex-th#evfDjKGZfCOVJfTS.97
I invite people to read that review. And tell me that the portion on the Teak is Tyll saying it's Lo-Fi. He prefers it to the $2000 TH900 MkII and Massdrop's own THX00.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonYour hostile response and general lack of knowledge about headphones is embarrassing, given the very wordy posts you make here. Back to school, bud.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonYou really should learn something about headphones before posting all of those charts to "prove" that you know something. I'll take over here, since I have you trumped on every turn. I've had every Thinksound, ESW series, etc. And I buy them myself.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornjust quit commenting with your "opinions" of headphones you've never heard, bud, it's not that complicated. Or at the very least admit "yes, I have never even heard this headphone I am blabbing about, so my opinion of it isn't worth very much."
My original tone wasn't hostile. I called your statement ignorant, because that's what it was. You haven't heard the headphone, so any opinion you have on its quality is one of ignorance in a very literal sense. You couldn't possibly know what you're talking about, because you don't even have a basis for making that statement.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornI didn't have a problem with your opinion of the ESW9a, because you've actually heard of it. I own the ESW9a, and it's the worst headphone I own, but I wouldn't say your opinion on it is wrong, ignorant or worthless. I value what you have to say about it and the On2.
You don't even have an opinion on the Teak, you made a wild guess. It was a bad guess in my opinion, having owned the ESW9a, having spent dozens of hours with the Teak (and owning a very similar headphone, the THX00 with ebony cups) and having spent several hours with the On2.
I provided the graphs so this isn't just babbling. To me graphs aren't the be all and end all, but with the ESW9a, they show a pretty poor headphone by modern standards. It has all sorts of far less than optimal reflections (and thus the garbage impulse response) and has an outrageous amount (for an expensive headphone, which the ESW9a is) of distortion in the bass. at 50Hz it has 10 times as much distortion as the EMU Teak (which you call Lo-Fi based on never having heard it).
Then your, to be real, dishonest out of context quoting of Tyll was laughable as well. He freaking raved about the EMU Teak in the article you took the quote from. He told me personally he would have put it on his wall of fame if they had a US distributorship at the time instead of just massdrop or import. But somehow you pull one quote, out of context and call it "lo-fi" get real, bud.
you're declaring your own self the "winner" lol, yeah, the true sign of an actual winner is somebody who self-declares.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonWow, are you ever the self-made "expert". Here's a hint, bud. One headphone that I have is the $1000 Focal Elear. It doesn't have a hi-fi signature. So does that hurt to hear that a $1000 headphone isn't "hi-fi"? It's not a perfect world. Deal with it, and learn before speaking.

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Dec 27, 2016

dalethornno dude, I don't know how many times I have to say this, but the issue is you giving opinions as if they're fact about headphones you've never even heard. That is not knowing what you're talking about, and it lowers the level of discourse here to have people who have never even heard gear they're spouting about. How would you feel if somebody logged on to your website and made a comment about your review of the HD800 and said "I disagree with your opinion, I have never heard the HD800, but I saw a quote that it has poor bass, so I disagree with you." That's basically what you did.
I also disagree with your definition of "hi-fi signature" as do the engineers at Sennheiser, Focal, Audeze, Mr. Speakers, AKG/Harman, etc.
People who design headphones and speakers don't view frequency response as what "hi-fi" is. Which, best I can tell, your definition of "hi-fi" is purely frequency response. People who design, and most professional reviewers, view "hi-fi" to be more about low distortion, clear transient response and transparency. Neutral-ish frequency response and sound stage might factor in, but nobody really agrees on the correct compensation curve.

Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonYou say all of that ad nauseam as though you know, and yet you don't know. You're not going to learn about headphones by clipping charts off of web pages and quoting Innerfidelity. It takes time and dedication, and skill. Now if you stop trolling and start studying, you might get there. My website for example has many resources, including one text on hearing damage that *everyone* should read - twice! Back at ya!

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabonOh yeah, distortion and all that "stuff". You're hilarious. I doubt that you could hear the distortion in an Apple Airpod.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabon"Neutral-ish frequency response and sound stage might factor in, but nobody really agrees on the correct compensation curve"
Ridiculous. If your system sounds like what you hear live, then it's right.

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Dec 27, 2016

fjrabon"People who design headphones and speakers don't view frequency response ..... blah blah"
When the head of Harman, and the guy who promoted the Harman Response curve was also president of the AES, Harman/AKG released the K812. Innerfidelity was not very kind to the K812. Just a classic example of "People who design headphones...."

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Dec 30, 2016

dalethornI keep seeing you throw around personal attacks at fjrabon, and taunt how many headphones you have and bla bla bla. Whatever. I'd go with his opinion over yours annnny day, you have too much ego involved, and you seem to be arguing this from an immature place. Eww.

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Dec 30, 2016

AlonPYou are a troll. As a very experienced headphone reviewer, I get attacked by trolls frequently. You will not get a pass on making accusations here. Now stay on topic or go away.

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Dec 30, 2016

dalethornYou're a keyboard warrior, please stop running your mouth.

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Dec 30, 2016

AlonPI'm here to help, to contribute my learning about headphones over the years, for free. You on the other hand are purely trolling, trying to make this your personal issue. It's not personal - it's about this headphone. Now you'd better stop trolling before you get stopped by the admins.

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Dec 30, 2016

dalethornHe was trolling you, I am trolling you, it seems like anybody who thinks you're immature keyboard jockey, gets branded with "please stop trolling me". Seems like you simply got nothing else to say to excuse shit you say like this:
" Oh yeah, distortion and all that "stuff". You're hilarious. " " Wow, are you ever the self-made "expert". Here's a hint, bud. "
That's without going even a bit back.
Perhaps instead of, supposedly, buying all those headphones, you should buy, oh, maybe... this?
https://www.amazon.co.uk/ATCHOO-Complete-Guide-Good-Manners/dp/0340945265/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1483119206&sr=8-2&keywords=manners

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Dec 30, 2016

AlonPYou speak about manners, then you try to hijack this topic to satisfy your own PERSONAL agenda. Once again, you are a troll.
Edit: If you were not a troll, you'd stay on topic. But you don't, because you are.

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Dec 30, 2016

dalethornPlease stop trolling.

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Dec 30, 2016

AlonPSo far, it's all you, bud. I talk headphones here, specifically the ON2. Your tantrums, which are completely off-topic, have deprived others here of valuable information. If you need help with those personal issues, you won't find it here.

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Dec 30, 2016

dalethornk

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