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livingspeedbump
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Jul 16, 2015
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This is probably the best keyboard out-of-the-box that money can buy, specifically the 55g 87u.
zoomorph
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Jul 16, 2015
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livingspeedbumpThis is just another boring keyboard (JABK) using the same old outdated layout that's bad for ergonomics. The topre switches are nice, but over-hyped. They really aren't going to change your life in any appreciable way.
livingspeedbump
6723
KeyChatter’s Owner and Editor-in-Chief
Jul 16, 2015
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zoomorphDepends on where you are coming from. I'm for one stoked for my Keyboardio, but "ergonomic" keyboards definitely aren't for everyone. I also never said it would change your life in any way (as a person that does keyboard projects 40+ hrs a week, I can definitively say no keyboard will change your life, nor did I say it would earlier).
What I am saying is that this is one of the very best keyboards out there as far as typing experience goes. The 55g Topre switch especially is a dream to type on. I normally write ~5,000-10,000 words a day, and the 55g switch has been the most comfortable switch I've ever used. In regards to the RF, the thick PBT keycaps, no frills design, and exceptional switches make it the ideal work keyboard, or keyboard for someone that types heavily on a daily basis. Sure, it may not look like the Devastator (??) gaming keyboard that is also dropping right now, but it is unquestionably an exceptional keyboard.
What I am saying is that this is one of the very best keyboards out there as far as typing experience goes. The 55g Topre switch especially is a dream to type on. I normally write ~5,000-10,000 words a day, and the 55g switch has been the most comfortable switch I've ever used. In regards to the RF, the thick PBT keycaps, no frills design, and exceptional switches make it the ideal work keyboard, or keyboard for someone that types heavily on a daily basis. Sure, it may not look like the Devastator (??) gaming keyboard that is also dropping right now, but it is unquestionably an exceptional keyboard.
zoomorph
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Jul 16, 2015
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livingspeedbumpErgonomic keyboards should be for everyone. They are no worse, and for most people likely better (more comfortable and faster typing on once used to them), than traditional keyboard layouts. There is literally no down side to them and a positive up side. The main reason that they're still lagging behind traditional, irrational layouts is that most users are too lazy to try something new or too heavily invested in the old layout. But they're gradually gaining in popularity.
It sounds like the primary reason you're calling the Realforce the best keyboard is the Topre switches. These switches could just as easily be used on a superior layout. Unfortunately, the company has stuck with small, staggered, old layouts exclusively, as have countless others. It doesn't take any creative effort and it's low risk to stick with the established trend.
It sounds like the primary reason you're calling the Realforce the best keyboard is the Topre switches. These switches could just as easily be used on a superior layout. Unfortunately, the company has stuck with small, staggered, old layouts exclusively, as have countless others. It doesn't take any creative effort and it's low risk to stick with the established trend.
Makami
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Jul 16, 2015
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zoomorphI hear you and like them too, but maybe all of these ergonomic keyboard designers should come together, share their wisdom and knowledge and agree on some "standard".
Which one to take, the Keybordio, a TEK or a ...... All of them claim to have found the holy grail.
Typing for 35 years with traditional keyboard layout, and lucky not to have had any medical problems yet.
On Topic: I would have liked to join for a Realforce 87U Tenkeyless 55g (White/Gray)
Which one to take, the Keybordio, a TEK or a ...... All of them claim to have found the holy grail.
Typing for 35 years with traditional keyboard layout, and lucky not to have had any medical problems yet.
On Topic: I would have liked to join for a Realforce 87U Tenkeyless 55g (White/Gray)
House
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Jul 16, 2015
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livingspeedbumpWhat's your opinion on these Topre switches vs Cherry MX clears?
Makami
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Jul 16, 2015
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HouseHello,
i've made that experience just a couple of weeks ago. A mate of my German mechacom went for a trip to the States for vacation. Therefore me and another mate were given the chance to try his HHKB for quite some time.
My favorite switches are lubed clears, really love them. The HHKB arrived at my door and i had been curious to try the holy grail of many people.
My first impression after typing a little bit had been twisted, i love the TOCK, what a nice sound, otherwise i wasn't that impressed. They just feel different than any Cherry switch and i thought what a Mumbo Jumbo and so expensive, went back to my clears.
Later that evening i said to myself, go and be unbiased and type a little bit more and it happened that we had a nice evening talking/typing a lot on our forum and the HHKB felt better and better, for me it had been some kind of love at second sight/typing.
I still love my clears, but if had to write a lot i might prefer the topre switches, i find them very, very pleasing for longer typing sessions.
It might be like this, you're wild and young at heart and go to parties a lot dating fancy looking Cherry girls, following the three F (Find them, f...k them, forget them) you might stumble upon a shy and unfancy Topre girl, no other action can be found, and you take her home expecting nothing special and boom, this girl isn't something to forget, and you start to imagine a life happily together.
TOCK
i've made that experience just a couple of weeks ago. A mate of my German mechacom went for a trip to the States for vacation. Therefore me and another mate were given the chance to try his HHKB for quite some time.
My favorite switches are lubed clears, really love them. The HHKB arrived at my door and i had been curious to try the holy grail of many people.
My first impression after typing a little bit had been twisted, i love the TOCK, what a nice sound, otherwise i wasn't that impressed. They just feel different than any Cherry switch and i thought what a Mumbo Jumbo and so expensive, went back to my clears.
Later that evening i said to myself, go and be unbiased and type a little bit more and it happened that we had a nice evening talking/typing a lot on our forum and the HHKB felt better and better, for me it had been some kind of love at second sight/typing.
I still love my clears, but if had to write a lot i might prefer the topre switches, i find them very, very pleasing for longer typing sessions.
It might be like this, you're wild and young at heart and go to parties a lot dating fancy looking Cherry girls, following the three F (Find them, f...k them, forget them) you might stumble upon a shy and unfancy Topre girl, no other action can be found, and you take her home expecting nothing special and boom, this girl isn't something to forget, and you start to imagine a life happily together.
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House
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Jul 16, 2015
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MakamiWow, the passion is real in this one. I'd say I'm wild and young at heart but have never heard the 3 Fs rule. :P(Perhaps its because I rarely follow any rules in life) I also define conventional terms such as "fancy" very different from their conventional definitions. This is definitely my type of girl...um I mean keyboard. The price is a bit steep, so I'm going to pass on this one. But with those humble words and that magniloquent story, I would of bought this in a heartbeat if I had the money.
Cheers, House
Cheers, House
Makami
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Jul 16, 2015
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HouseTy to you and all the others :-)
I havn't known that rule too, but it had been one of the first things i got told about 30 years ago when i had the chance to live in the Bay Area for some time.
Imagine a young German fellow from a very small village in Lower Saxony exploring the wonderfull San Francisco with all that beautiful opportunities.
This had been one of the best times i've ever had in my life!
I havn't known that rule too, but it had been one of the first things i got told about 30 years ago when i had the chance to live in the Bay Area for some time.
Imagine a young German fellow from a very small village in Lower Saxony exploring the wonderfull San Francisco with all that beautiful opportunities.
This had been one of the best times i've ever had in my life!
livingspeedbump
6723
KeyChatter’s Owner and Editor-in-Chief
Jul 17, 2015
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zoomorphI'm not here to dictate what is best for everyone. I have my own opinions on what switches/layouts/materials/etc are "the best," but there is no right or wrong answer with keyboards. I may voice my personal opinion, but I can't decide what is best for anyone else.
I type 110 WPM with my ErgoDox that I've used heavily for over a year, and 170 WPM on my HHKB. I have no health issues at all from typing on a "old layout" either. I cant definitely say its any more comfortable, or puts any less strain on my hands/fingers/wrist than a normal keyboard either. I know if I gave my Grandfather a Keyboardio and told him that is was positively better to use, he would never, ever be able to send another email again in his life. There is simply no one thing that is best for everyone.
Build quality, materials, and switch types culminating into a single keyboard are what make the Realforce great, not just good. I've literally used hundreds of keyboards, and as far as standard keyoards go, the RF wins out in almost every catagory. My one real gripe with the RF is the non-removable cable, which is a small issue at best.
I don't know if you've ever used a Topre keyboard, or a 55g Topre keyboard, but it sounds like your only criticism is its "old layout" which isn't really relevant. It would be like complaining that the Keyboardio doesn't have a "normal layout." That isn't what it is even going for, so there is no reason to complain about that.
I type 110 WPM with my ErgoDox that I've used heavily for over a year, and 170 WPM on my HHKB. I have no health issues at all from typing on a "old layout" either. I cant definitely say its any more comfortable, or puts any less strain on my hands/fingers/wrist than a normal keyboard either. I know if I gave my Grandfather a Keyboardio and told him that is was positively better to use, he would never, ever be able to send another email again in his life. There is simply no one thing that is best for everyone.
Build quality, materials, and switch types culminating into a single keyboard are what make the Realforce great, not just good. I've literally used hundreds of keyboards, and as far as standard keyoards go, the RF wins out in almost every catagory. My one real gripe with the RF is the non-removable cable, which is a small issue at best.
I don't know if you've ever used a Topre keyboard, or a 55g Topre keyboard, but it sounds like your only criticism is its "old layout" which isn't really relevant. It would be like complaining that the Keyboardio doesn't have a "normal layout." That isn't what it is even going for, so there is no reason to complain about that.
Jedi
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Jul 17, 2015
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AlexPkYes, so me and my Topre BFF keyboard talked this over and agreed to invite another woman into our relationship. There's been an interest check already https://www.massdrop.com/vote/mechanical-or-topre-external-number-pad?s=numberpad
We have 181 votes to the favor of the pad. I know EC has them in, but Massdrop is where we spend our doe. Maybe an option for a red ESC or green return key. Don't get our feet wet and not let us jump in the pool! By the way, thank you to Massdrop and Matt3o for this drop!
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