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GMK Triumph Adler Keycap Set

Mar 30, 2015

Taste is personal but... is it really that beautiful? I've been visiting this page for days but still don't quite get it.

Mar 30, 2015

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casper

Mar 30, 2015

@WinkeylessSo what? What's wrong with you? Taste is personal opinion as you said. That picture looks like stupid.

Mar 30, 2015

rabidwombat

Mar 30, 2015

@WinkeylessThen probably it's not the set for you! Removing all the marketing aspects like the history, the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity, custom colors, prices etc, the main things that appeal to me are the beautiful teal colorway, high quality thick ABS from GMK, cherry fonts, cherry profile. And of course the non-aesthetic stuff like its future rarity and for it to be part of my collection. It's not everyday that the stars align, so for me, this set is almost as perfect as it can get.

Mar 30, 2015

ummid

Mar 30, 2015

@Winkeylessit is tough to explain how something is considered beautiful but let me try from my point of view at least:
- being a GMK already defaults it ahead of any non GMK sets - the worn out, yellowing of the modifiers gives it a classic vintage look - the contrast between the teal modifiers and the darker blue of the alphas gives out an unintentional "pop" - the history/rarity of the original keyboard itself.
TLDR: it's a freakin classic unique vintage GMK!

Mar 30, 2015

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ummid

Mar 30, 2015

casperit was an honest question and this is one of the reasons why i was skeptical at first that this buy would reach 500 MOQ even with mass drop. i expected most of the users here to be more attracted with the simpler types like pure blacks, pure whites or deep contrasts like reds, oranges and razer greens.
i know that TA has such a huge prestige among serious keyboard enthusiasts but i did not expect the mainstream keyboard users to appreciate its beautry right off the bat.

Mar 30, 2015

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Inanis

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SEALWoodworking

Mar 30, 2015

ummidI think the reason this is doing so well (beyond it's awesomeness) is because of the extraordinary marketing effort Intelli has done. The amount of awareness that was raised in enthusiast communities outside of Massdrop to alert people to the upcoming buy drove the users here. I'm sure MD got a bunch of new users based solely on this drop.
I would agree that in general, this would not likely to be the type drop to attract very many typical MD users. That is not a knock against those people at all, as I too have purchased many things from here. It is just that "vintage" anything is not something you normally see in the keyboarding section of MD.

Mar 30, 2015

nateyboy

Mar 30, 2015

ummidDo you think this drop will ever come back or is this just a one-time deal? And if it was sold elsewhere, how much would it cost?

Mar 30, 2015

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Steveenn

Mar 30, 2015

nateyboyQuote from the GH thread "...in all likelihood this GB is a one-shot deal, and if the keys aren’t made now, they never will be."

Mar 30, 2015

generalzou

Mar 30, 2015

casperHe is referencing this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Emperor%27s_New_Clothes.

Mar 30, 2015

Whales

Mar 30, 2015

ummidI agree with most of your points, but a set of caps can still be good without being ABS. Lots of people like the texture of PBT

Mar 30, 2015

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masoncake

Mar 30, 2015

nateyboyProbably not.. after the drop this set will probably be marked up. Join now and you won't have to worry about that :)

Mar 30, 2015

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Elrick

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Mar 30, 2015

WhalesThese are the same people who think wearing Beige Polyester is still Cool ; )
Once you have actual GMK's in your hands and they are installed into your favourite keyboard then we'll see if they still want to keep their PBT's.
Have numerous BSP sets and I still love the GMK's over them any day of the week. I don't get why there is this STUPID comparison of PBT and ABS, trying hard to put down one or the other.
I personally prefer the GMK's because they have an imbedded Font within the plastic that is so deep compared to BSP's dye-subbed application, so when you wear out both over a period of decades the GMK's will still show a clear, easily read font or number whilst the BSP's would be worn away over time.

Mar 30, 2015

Creamy

Mar 30, 2015

ElrickI think the comparison between the two comes from people assuming all ABS sets feel like the cheap thin plastic they get with mass produced keyboards. They relate thick and PBT together so they assume PBT will always be better.

Mar 30, 2015

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Whales

Mar 31, 2015

ElrickThere's great pbt and great abs out there. It's okay for people to have a different preference.

Mar 31, 2015

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Elrick

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Mar 31, 2015

WhalesNo problem having a preference BUT it's far better to get BOTH and make the comparisons for yourself.

Mar 31, 2015

Whales

Mar 31, 2015

ElrickYes of course, my point is that you can love lemons while still enjoying apples. ABS and PBT don't have the exact same properties. Correct me if I'm wrong, but even GMK ABS has a smooth texture. A lot of people enjoy the somewhat rugged texture of PBT.
(Rugged probably isn't the best word to describe it)

Mar 31, 2015

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rabidwombat

Mar 31, 2015

WhalesI guess the main point here is that have to at least have tried everything from your perspective to develop a preference. A lot of people enjoy PBT, a lot of people enjoy ABS, a lot of people developed their preference from the comments of others, a lot of people do not really care about the difference, and the list goes on and on..
It's not what others prefer, and the amount of other people that prefer something, it's your own preference that really counts.

Mar 31, 2015

rabidwombat

Mar 31, 2015

WhalesAnd one thing about PBT is that the colors appear to be more washed out, making them more suited for the pastel colorways. You can try comparing the CtrlAlt Miami ABS sets against the Tai-Hao Miami PBT sets, there's is a noticeable difference in the vibrancy and contrast of colors. Again, it's a preference as to which is more appealing.
ABS Colors: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/abscolors.php PBT Colors: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/pbtcolors.php

Mar 31, 2015

ummid

Mar 31, 2015

Whalesnot to fuel another pbt vs abs debate but most of users who love GMK have actually tried pbt but the same cannot be said about pbt supporters.

Mar 31, 2015

Whales

Mar 31, 2015

ummidPBT is much more accessible, so that's always going to be true. I fully support trying both, I'm just saying pbt has qualities that people may prefer over abs.

Mar 31, 2015

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Whales

Mar 31, 2015

rabidwombatMaybe my eyes aren't as good as yours, but there doesn't seem to be much of a difference, especially with all the variations. But even so, I usually use black/grey caps. I understand your point though, I just think it's okay for people to like pbt too.

Mar 31, 2015

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rugonom

Mar 31, 2015

WhalesWell, those that prefer PBT don't have to join this drop then.

Mar 31, 2015

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ummid

Mar 31, 2015

Whalestaste is personal but i would suggest you try gmk first and you'll experience what the hype is all about. the only thing that could match the gmk experience is bsp pbt imo but since i use an hhkb layout, it's hard to find those keysets on bsp's.

Mar 31, 2015

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ummid

Mar 31, 2015

rugonomjust because they prefer pbt doesn't mean they aren't open to other choices tho.

Mar 31, 2015

Whales

Mar 31, 2015

ummidI agree. I just know that abs is smooth. My only point was that some people value the pbt texture.

Mar 31, 2015

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everyusernametaken

Mar 31, 2015

WhalesNot all PBT sets are created equal: they all have different thickness, textures, and height profiles. Just like you can't compare GMK to the rice paper thin caps on a Novatouch - don't compare 1.5mm thick PBT on the Leopold to KBC PBT.
Sure we all have our preferences [mine is POM] but lets stop drinking the kool-aid by eliminating an entire plastic material type because one set of PBT caps you tried didn't jive with you.

Mar 31, 2015

Fuzz

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Mar 31, 2015

everyusernametakenI use blank black keycaps exclusively so I never look at the keyboard anyway, key feel is more important than cosmetics/aesthetics for me.
The problem I have with ABS is it tends to show signs of wear (go smooth and shiny) inside of 12 months and I got tired of replacing my keycaps annually.
I personally prefer PBT because I don't want/need legends/rainbow colors/backlit keys etc, and I just prefer keycaps that can maintain texturing on their faces.

Mar 31, 2015

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Whales

Mar 31, 2015

everyusernametakenOf course, but what you're saying seems to be contrary to the sentiment expressed here. Not all pbt is created equal, but gmk is automatically superior to pbt?

Mar 31, 2015

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intelli78

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Aaron Halbert - Sleeve Maker

Mar 31, 2015

WhalesNah it's not "automatically superior" to PBT. The point is just, plenty of PBT is really good, as is GMK. It's all good stuff.

Mar 31, 2015

scarpenter

Mar 31, 2015

intelli78Very good way to describe it. There doesn't need to be a holy war between different types of plastic keycaps. There are primo keycaps made from both materials. :)

Mar 31, 2015

Whales

Apr 1, 2015

intelli78That's what I've been saying
4 days left and we're at 603 sets. About to beat Hyperfuse!

Apr 1, 2015

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@Winkeyless

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Apr 1, 2015

ummidThanks for your explanation! I'm in.

I found another original TA set on KeyChatter with darker alphas than what's shown on Massdrop. It's probably due to difference in aging. Just curious: what are the colors of this GMK replica? Will the alphas be lighter or darker? Are they match any of the color codes here: http://www.keycapsdirect.com/abscolors.php
Thanks.

Apr 1, 2015

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ummid

Apr 1, 2015

@Winkeylessyou won't regret it, bro! the alphas are darker and more bluish but i'm sure intelli87 can provide you more information.

Apr 1, 2015

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intelli78

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Aaron Halbert - Sleeve Maker

Apr 1, 2015

@WinkeylessBoth that photo and the photos on Massdrop are Photoshopped to approximate what GMK will make. Any difference between the two is unintentional. Please keep in mind it is IMPOSSIBLE to judge real-life colors based on a computer screen, especially an uncalibrated display.

Apr 1, 2015

AndrewLekashman

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Input Club

Apr 1, 2015

@WinkeylessAlso do bear in mind, our shots are of a beige keyboard on a black background, and those shots are of a dark grey keyboard on a light background. Comparing those two pictures that have completely different lighting requirements won't give you an accurate color reference.

Apr 1, 2015

gotmoretoys

Apr 5, 2015

InanisI walked in here cold off the street with no foreknowledge or marketing momentum behind me, saw this cap set and immediately ordered one. A pinnacle of classic keyboard style, this is a gorgeous set.

Apr 5, 2015

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