Sennheiser PC37X randomly goes bad after disconnecting the cable ?
Greetings, Yesterday I was using my headset like normal with my macbook, just listening to music and on a call with people like usual, and the headset was perfectly fine. The stock wire that came with the headset is extremely long and yesterday it annoyed me very much that it kept getting tangled with itself, so I decided to see if the cable is replaceable. I pulled out the cable from the headset and saw the adapter, and looked online for a replacement. Upon plugging it back in, the audio sounded extremely muffled and washed out. Im not sure what I did wrong to make it mess up like that as I've always taken good care of it, ive had it for about 2 years and its always just been chilling on my desk, but anywho I thought the cable just went bad and ordered a replacement. The replacement came, and the issue is still persistant, so I am not sure what the issue is I've tried multiple different headsets and the issue is not with the port, and I also tried it with my windows laptop and...
Apr 23, 2024
Seems the "Diminishing point starts after you dismiss KZ as a brand" mentality is strong with you. Think of it as a ripoff or whatever, I honestly won't care. But you might wanna open your ears to listen to these some time maybe? Instead of being a very limited mindset person who refuse to try anything just because you're too scared it'll shake your belief
Talk after you have listened to these.
seriously though, the more people actually spend outrageous money for an item's true worth, the more companies will do this ridiculous stuff. But I also think super fidelity in portability is a meme and I use 20 year old sony earbuds for that vintage sound (I guarantee they sound better than these).
You will start realizing that objectively better staging properties costs a lot in IEMs. You want a nice sound with a decent FR? Pay $300 and you're set. You then realize that $300 has A LOT of room for improvement for factors like soundstage dimensions, imaging, transparency, clarity and ultimately resolution.
He's either being hella sarcastic or just misinformed. Regardless, $36.99 is point of hella diminishing return for him
For what it sounds vs your MH1C it's quite a bump up. Seriously
Also, how would a company go about creating a 6-BA IEM with CAD, making molds and test units, then tuning, soldering, cables, driver balancing, etc. while still paying its employees and distributors AND somehow make a profit for a $100 product? That doesn't even sound logically plausible.
They show how they went through 15 models before coming to a finalized product. Last time I checked, that time, energy, and resources cost money which the company will offset to the consumer. Stop being so obtuse when you know good and damn well these are hard working people making products for us, the masses. They don't work for free but it seems your self-entitled self believes they should work for nothing and sell everything to you below cost.
but IEMs are never worth more than 200, period because they are inherently limited by what they can achieve given the limitations of an IEM itself. Soundstage will always be mediocre when compared to a similarly priced over ear. You're paying 10x the price for the last 5 percent of microdynamics... and another 500-1000 for the portable setup to actually squeeze that out. Because if you are running it out of your iphone and thinking it sounds better than a 200 dollar iem, you can't see past your own bias.
"I have and the difference exists so you will pay 10x the price out of pocket. Not much of a difference." It's only not much of a difference because you do not understand how improving the staging properties while retaining a nice sound signature is difficult.
By the same logic, headphones are also a waste of money. Just get speakers instead. They can create and image a soundstage correctly and more accurately than headphones.
If you're going to talk about scaling, just buy $5 headphones. It has the best value since it can produce sound.
Of course this pertains to IEMs and what they are now. Perhaps with AI assisted intelligence we'll have IEMs at a good pricepoint that stage and sound as well as speakers. When that happens I believe they'll be worth it. But for now it's a cash drop into inherently limited tech that won't bring what I'd consider the true audiophile's dream.... the perfect sounding piece of equipment.
Here's some non-biased graphs on IEM vs Headphone vs Speaker overall performance in staging, fidelity, cost, and cost to performance based on the absolute BEST each category can be given what technology can do right now.
Remember this discussion is about COST.... I actually enjoy IEMs at times, despite their limiting drawbacks
So if you have the money go ahead and spend it, but don't call it value.
Therefore if we're talking about TOTL equipment headphones are the easiest to get into with the best performance, Speakers are the most desirable but cost more, and IEMs.... don't offer so much. A real audiophile wouldn't shell out on TOTL IEMS without at least owning TOTL speakers/headphones first or they wouldn't be an audiophile by definition, but instead just a casual listener who likes nice products. Cheers!
We are all just saying that these are not $1100 ripoffs when you place them next to what $2000 iems can do. You're the one saying they are not worth their money. No fucking shit, you are comparing them to headphones. Get a grip of what we're talking about.
Actual stage musicians need iems that can separate the audio correctly yet provide a transparent and accurate sound. They can't be wearing headphones unless they are a producer/mixer.
Cheers.
UE18+ has one of the best tonal balance in the market.
Toranku isn't wrong. He's being pretty sensible tbh. I think you're just triggered he doesn't follow your mindset fully.
I honestly would say the 18+ is good value for money. And your logic is just as applicable as his too when it comes to audio. HEadphones and IEMs all have inherent limitations when it comes to body and ear (and earcanal) reactions. Speakers are clearly the superior item, but at the same time, IEMs and headphones have their own merits.
IEMs are not gonna beat a headphone by a long shot, but in terms of making use of what little soundstage it has, and also tonality-wise, they can also compete with each other. Of course you can't compare soundstage with these and the more visceral bass impact as well! That's just plain ridiculous.
Also, please stop with the gatekeeping mindset of "audiophiles don't do IEMs". I think everyone can be an audiophile, and your mindset is limiting everyone, and tbh that's what we want to kick out of the entirety of this hobby.
Look, there's no way to convince you otherwise, tbh. But honestly, why do you even try to preach your gospel in the thread where people are most likely gonna buy it? I think this is counterproductive and abrasive.
Lastly, I would like to remind you the importance of citation. I don't know where you get the graphs from but it seems misleading. As someone who has tried a ton of speakers, headphones and IEMs, I think that doesn't fully represent the whole market in general
As for your sound quality argument, there are a time and place for loudspeakers and headphones. No one can use flagship open backed headphones in an office or public environment without disturbing surrounding people, it just isn't possible. Some people just don't want to lug around headphones in general, they take up a lot of space and most decent headphones don't have any means of folding or compacting themselves. And if you don't have the means to account for room acoustics, you're frankly wasting your money on expensive loudspeakers.
So long you can achieve a good seal, high quality IEMs are often the most usable and ergonomic solution. Which might explain their popularity as an audio solution to the public in general, especially in cities that are well serviced by public transportation.
However, I will protect my ideal of a true audiophile even if it means being abrasive. A true audiophile chases the vision of a perfect sound. A sound as close to as possible the way it sounded at recording. That would mean flat, accurate staging and good detail. There are a myriad of different choices that may fit the bill depending on how someone personally hears a headphone. Example: people call Beyers sibilant on the S's all the time, I think they're crazy and the S's hiss when they are meant to.
You're also forgetting that CIEMs are created for stage musicians a lot of the time. The hard truth is that most stage musician is not going to use a CIEM with a flat sound. If they are producers or mixers, sure. But they are performing on stage. Bassists and drummers need something with enough subbass and midbass emphasis to hear what they are playing. They usually don't want too forward highs since that can get too tiring. Different musicians with different instruments require their own type of sound and preference.
The reason why JH and UE is so popular with stage musicians is also due to how the CIEMs are tuned. JH has this warm tilt to most of their products. It helps the audio sound more alive and organic.
I think we're done here. You're deluded and just limiting yourself for really portable technological advancement.
I've tried to dissuade you with all that I know, and all that I can help. unfortunately your delusion's stronger. I tried to be open minded about it, but honestly, it's all pointless
If I recall, don't you have an inner ear problem? I vaguely remember you had some sort of accident but I don't remember the extent. It seems that would be why you have such an aversion for IEMs. Otherwise, I'm not sure as to why you would make such a grandiose claim about headphone comfort.
But his case can't really be applied widely to everyone, unfortunately
You can use "mid-fi" closed backed headphones in the office but a lot of people don't see the justification to carry a pair around nor do they isolate as well as IEMs that seal properly. I'm not carrying a pair of closed backs *and* a pair of Etymotics whenever I go to work, the sort of "audiophile" that carries multiple pieces of audio hardware are not common.
Uzuzu - "Iems cause me pain because my left ear was ruptured. I sparingly use a pair called the philips tx2, they're like 30 bucks otherwise I use some vintage earbuds, used to own westone um-p 3. I've demo'd 64's best and the shure 846, I know there is better but, difference wasn't worth it not even close. Right now I've been using the Monoprice Retro as an over-ear and they cost 18 dollars, 23 dollars shipped to my door. I put dampening in the housing and modded it to have a detachable cable for the cost of approximately 2 dollars. I'm enjoying it a lot more than my Ether Flow C's I happened to sell off and have used it almost exclusively for 2 weeks. It stomps on the 598cs, easily. I know that isn't IEM talk, but detail isn't everything or worth it, always. I just happen to enjoy the music when it sounds good, not when it costs the most. IEMs hit the wall much quicker than headphones do. Personally my favorite headphone I've heard is the Amiron, unrelated but I can't not mention that gem."
I dunno, I guess I can understand it from his perspective that if he has a physical issue that prevents him from using a certain piece of equipment. But all the hate and generalizations is what seems rather misguided to me. It would be easy to say, they're just not for me, but he constantly denigrates the item and users as if it's their shortcoming as well. That projection just rubs me the wrong way.