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topaz024
1
Jul 15, 2015
This is my first time ever using Massdrop, and I just realized you can't return anything?!? As much as I love the Gateron switches, this keyboard is just no good for me. The delay is just enough to be maddening (I'd guess about 7-10ms?), the Insert key LED keeps flashing even after pairing, and worst of all, the keyboard loses Bluetooth connection randomly (about 5 times per hour). This is just unacceptable for me--did I just lose $150 with no alternative?
I wonder how a refund would even work, because the card I used to purchase the board no longer exists (account was paid off and closed)
If anyone has any advice I would greatly appreciate it.
WizardBro
45
Jul 15, 2015
topaz024Wow, sorry no advice for you here, but this was everything I didn't want to hear. Cancelled my order for now.
mangix
43
Jul 16, 2015
WizardBroFor what it's worth, I have zero of these issues. I'm using the Gmyle BT 4.0 adapter I got off Amazon. Wireless mechanicals are pretty hard to come by and this one isn't perfect but I think it's good considering the current market landscape.
WizardBro
45
Jul 16, 2015
mangixThat sounds a bit promising. The keyboard's not perfect in what sense? All I need off this keyboard is it to not have noticeable input lag or repeat keys or cut out for a couple of secs. I don't mind the battery and having to recharge constantly etc. My Logitech dinovo edge bluetooth used to do that and it used to absolutely drive me up a wall in gaming. It had a tendency to do that in the middle of raid fights in MMOs and get me killed as a healer.
Vivid
45
Jul 16, 2015
WizardBroJust out of interest, which OS/machine type are you running? and are you using a Bluetooth dongle or something integrated? (if so which type/brand/model?)
Rath
85
Jul 16, 2015
VividIf it helps, I'm using this adapter on both windows and mac: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00BCU4TZE
Rath
85
Jul 16, 2015
WizardBroCons:
- It doesn't work wired at all. It doesn't do anything until it's paired except blink the insert key backlight - It's a bit of a pain to plug in the cable for charging because of the way it's designed - The backlight for the insert key stays on all the time while connected, even when the backlighting is turned off - The keycaps aren't translucent, so the backlighting doesn't illuminate the characters - There were some manufacturing tolerance issues with the feet which I eventually was able to free up with concerted wiggling - So far, whenever I switch between Windows and OS X I have to disconnect and pair again, which means I have to keep a wired keyboard connected and available - The battery isn't easily replaceable. In order to change it you would need to completely disassemble the keyboard and assuming you could obtain a replacement there would likely be some soldering involved - It doesn't come with a manual in English
Unknown: - No telling how long the battery will last at this point, or how long it will take to charge. It stays on constantly while connected and only seems to enter a power saving mode if left unconnected for several minutes. It uses BT 4, which is supposed to be low-energy, but it unnecessarily powers the one LED all the time -- there doesn't seem to be any way to turn that off.
Pros: - The key switches are buttery smooth. I ordered the version equivalent to the Cherry reds. - The keycaps have a nice feel to them - The frame is rigid and overall feels very solid - No noticeable input lag or signal issues so far
As mangix said, considering the relative lack of options I would say the pros outweigh the cons. The cons are mostly just annoyances.
WizardBro
45
Jul 16, 2015
RathJust when I thought I was out, they pull me back in. Do you do a lot of gaming? That would be the best way to test signal connectivity issues.
Vivid
45
Jul 16, 2015
RathHey Rath, I understand the backlighting turns off after 5mins of no use, but can you adjust their brightness manually until they turn off via FN + up/down? - and if so, does the keyboard retain the setting after being powered off and on? (as in it retains the brightness setting being 'off')
Rath
85
Jul 16, 2015
WizardBroI haven’t tried gaming with it yet — the only thing I’ve been playing lately (Rocket League) requires a game controller.
I feel like I would notice if the keyboard had latency issues. I’m a programmer. I type fairly fast and I use a lot of key combinations within the IDE. With my Logitech K800 the response feels sluggish, and it will occasionally lag for a second or two and then catch up. When it does that the closing paren for instance will come out as ‘0’ because (I assume) the shift state is sent in real time while regular keys are buffered.
I’ll try to find something to play tonight which would make a good test.
Vivid
45
Jul 16, 2015
RathDon't forget to post back how it goes after a test :)
Rath
85
Jul 16, 2015
VividYou can adjust the brightness easily with Fn+↑/↓ yes. There is off and 4 levels of brightness.
As best I can tell the keyboard will never turn off, as long as there is an active connection. I didn't touch it for over an hour and the keyboard, backlight included, stayed on the whole time.
I also can't seem to turn it off manually. When connected, Fn+Insert just does the same thing as the unmodified insert key (which seems to be a tab character in OS X) and holding it down just gives me a lot of tabs.
The only way I've been able to turn it off is by disconnecting the device via the operating system, shutting down the computer or physically removing the BT dongle. When I do this, the insert key starts blinking (I assume that means 'searching') and roughly 60 seconds later it turns off (including the insert key, which is otherwise always on or blinking).
Afterward, (assuming I've turned on the computer or reconnected the dongle etc.) the keyboard doesn't respond in any way until I hit Fn+Insert to turn it on. It reconnects quickly, but the backlight does not return to its previous setting. It's not really a big deal to readjust it each time though since there are only 4 levels of brightness.
Vivid
45
Jul 16, 2015
RathWhen you say 'backlight included', do you mean insert or all backlighting? - the reply from James35 points to it powering off after 5mins (except insert).
Shame it doesn't recall its backlight setting after a power off/on though. I'd like it as an option, but one i can turn off or on when wanted (and have that setting retained).
Rath
85
Jul 16, 2015
VividAll the keys. If I turn the backlighting on, as long as the keyboard is connected the backlight stays on as well. I don't know about James35's experience, but I have never seen it turn off unless I force it to disconnect. I tested it at lunch for about an hour. I'll leave it on overnight tonight to test a longer period.
Alme55
15
Jul 16, 2015
Vividyes there is a way to turn the back lighting off, There are 5 brightness levels, Off, 1,2,3 & 4. It does remember the back lighting setting after waking up but Sadly it does not remember your settings when the keyboard is powered on from off, it will always start with the back lighting off. As a side not the grey pbt caps that i have are practically 0% opaque so they let no light shine through, light does get under the caps but at night the back lighting just isn't enough to make viewing keys much better, i tried using a key-cap with an opaque image and it barely shines through to light it up.
Vivid
45
Jul 16, 2015
Alme55Is this because the LED is on the bottom of the switch rather than the top? (for the opaque key you tried)
Alme55
15
Jul 16, 2015
Vividyes, i tried with a portal key-cap and some W,A,S,D keys i had around and it only lights up the bottom quarter of it, and since keys have the letters in the top left side they wouldn't get much light through them. you can kinda see it in this picture, only his lower leg gets light through and that's on max brightness.
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Also at night with only the back lighting it is impossible to see the white front printed media and 2nd function keys on the grey keycaps unless you put you head right up to it.
Vivid
45
Jul 16, 2015
Alme55Thanks, would you say overall that the backlighting option is not worth while on this board then? :)
Alme55
15
Jul 16, 2015
VividFor the $4 extra it is worth it, just know that it isn't implemented well and does a better job lighting up your desk than it does it's keys
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astromoose
17
Jul 16, 2015
Alme55Thanks for replying. Isn't it possible to install better quality ones later on?
Alme55
15
Jul 16, 2015
astromoosei don't think they are, check back in the comments i think someone had asked that question as well.
Rath
85
Jul 17, 2015
VividJust wanted to note I was wrong earlier about the backlight never turning off. I'm not sure how, maybe I accidentally hit a key during my initial test.
Since then I timed it several times and the backlight turns off exactly 9 minutes and 10 seconds after the last time you hit a key. After that, if you hit another key the backlight will return to its previous setting. If the keyboard loses connection (because the computer is turned off etc.) then the backlight won't come back on automatically.
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