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Violectric Audio DAC V800

Violectric Audio DAC V800

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I've been using this for several weeks now - the engineering and parts and sound are of extremely high quality! At the Massdrop price, I (with my limited familiarity with DACs) am not aware of any other DAC that can match it. I had read a review on the internet that was not enthusiastic, and I strongly believe that review is complete nonsense and consequently I will never read another by that reviewer ("he who shall not be named" i.e. Voldemort). If you buy, check out the internal components and design (without voiding the warranty) and you will see that even inside, the craftmanship shines.
I emailed with Arthur Power over at Violectric America this is for the V1 NOT the V2 the card is around $200. To quote Arthur from my message: "The V1 supports 24/96 via USB and the V2 supports 24/192 via USB. Both support 24/192 via the other digital inputs. The V1 can be upgraded to a V2 at any time by purchasing an upgrade card from us (about $200)." and there you have it. :-)
Sorry, but were is it available for 1439$ ??
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We have some great news to share with everyone. Our vendor has all the necessary inventory in place and is just putting the finishing touches on preparing your individual orders for shipment. This drop should be 100% fulfilled by week's end!
Expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 3/23 or sooner if something comes up.
Thanks again for joining this drop! We have submitted the group's order with the vendor for the Violectric Audio DAC V800 V2 and they are working hard to prepare it for shipment.
As soon as the group's order is ready at the vendor's location, they will ship the individual orders directly to you. The current estimated ship date is 3/22.
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hi, i need a pre amp too; would this dac do the job (plug unbalanced output into my solid state power amplifier ) ?
lucteboul
that should work a-ok.
I plan to pick up the Violectric HPA V281 in the near future. I just thought the V850 would be the ideal mate. I agree that the price of the V800 V2 at $699 is extremely tempting. I just don't want to regret not going all the way later down the road.
Any chance you will be doing a drop on the Violectric DAC V850 in the near future?
nomoredreamer
I've been using mine from the previous drop and can report it's really, really good, just make sure you get the Tenor driver update from violectric-usa.com if you are on OS X/usb. With top drawer Stax headphones I'm hearing deeper into the music than I've ever heard going back years to horns and other high resolution systems I've owned. It also has a touch of a nice analog/turntable to it. Deep, deep bass like a TT and nice and smooth.
I'll guess the 850 won't go on MD much because of the price, it'll be hundreds more, frankly for little benefit IMO*. At $700 the V2 is a steal.
* The main difference between the two seems to be two DAC's/channel + remote control. On the former see this ...
https://www.lessloss.com/faq.html?q=stacking-multiple-converter-chips
which I agree from an EE perspective. You gain complexity cost at the benefit of averaging and more current, the latter easy to mitigate elsewhere. The volume control is kind of nice though.
Hello, I am wondering about if there is an option to install x-mos usb input for oversea buyers, since there are no international shipment to Asia on violectric-usa for x-mos upgrade. http://violectric-usa.com/accessories/usb-24-192-v800 Thanks a lot
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We have some great news to share with everyone. Our vendor has all the necessary inventory in place and is just putting the finishing touches on preparing your individual orders for shipment. This drop should be 100% fulfilled by tomorrow!
Expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 2/24 or sooner if something comes up.
Thanks again for joining this drop! We have submitted the group's order with the vendor for the Violectric Audio DAC V800 V2 and they are working hard to prepare it for shipment.
As soon as the group's order is ready at the vendor's location, they will ship the individual orders directly to you. The current estimated ship date is 2/23.
We will keep the group updated throughout the fulfillment process. You can expect an update from us by the end of the day Pacific Time on 2/17.
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ArthurM
Thank you Arthur!
how is this dac compare to chord hugo ?
It's a hard choice between this and the Schiit Gungnir since you now can have the Multiibit option but you are spending $400 more... Both have 5 yr warranties and USA backed, though the Schiit is made in America. I currently own a Schiit BiFrost Uber and I TRULY wonder IF I would hear a difference. I do like the fact that you does make a smaller compact footprint though... It is am amazing price and I do want to go balance soon...
Hi, do international orders ship from Germany or from the US?
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Please be aware, you may not be charged a customs duty for imports from Germany if you are located in the UK (or any other country that is a member of the EU) however, you instead pay a higher price since a VAT is included in the purchase price. I have just been informed the VAT will have to be paid to Violectric in Germany. I appologize that I was not aware of this.
If you are located outside of North America you have two options: shipping from the USA and then pay the customs fees at the time of delivery or shipping from Germany and then pay the Violectric office in Germany the VAT beforehand (then your order can be shipped).
I am sorry to say there is no getting around this. The European Union gets paid one way or anthor.
ArthurPower
Actually this is expected . Thanks for the clarification.
The differences between V800 and V850 are more evolution than revolution. I don´t think that there can be a revolution concerning DACs these days. But the differences are more than cosmetical.
First, the base of the USB circuitry is not Tenor any more but X-Mos based. So we are sure to have a software support also for upcoming OS like Windows 10.
Second, we now have a double-mone architecture with two converters per channel. This will not be noticeable in therms of THD or SNR but it sharpens our philosophy "no sound". V850 is more open, more detailed, has a bigger and deeper soundstage but still retains a maximum neutrality compared with V800. For our opinion all this is not due to the 32 bit deep conversion but has its source in the dual converters per channel and our refined analog output circuitry. To be honest, 32 bit deep processing is useful in mixing consoles or other equipment where data is merged, filters and equalisers are set or rooms are created. In a D/A converter, at the endpoint of digital data, it is nice to have but nothing more.
Third, there had been lots of customers asking for a remote control in the past because our D/A served to drive (active) speakers directly. DAC V850 offers the opportunity to be remote controlled !
And of course there is a better power supply, better signal tracing and much more details.
Other things which made V800 famous will remain: - The compact size - The range of digital inputs - The selectable range of resampling - The volume control in the digital domain - Five different analog output voltage settings without affecting the output impedance - Balanced and unbalanced outputs which can be used simultaneously because they have their own drivers
from: http://www.head-fi.org/t/761936/violectric-dac-v850-general-discussion-and-impressions-thread
ztxabc
So I'd guess the V800 in this drop gives over 99% of the sound quality of the V850, absent a few features, for roughly half the price. It's extremely difficult for most people to identify different dacs by the sound alone (this holds for me too) so what I'm paying for here, in addition to sound quality, is features, build quality and support. A few years ago I purchased a $500 interface, made in China, that malfunctioned within 6 months. I'm guessing the V800 build and sound quality are roughly comparable to those of the Schiit Gungnir (retail $850, made in the USA) but the V800 has more features.
So this is the 800v2, not the 850v1? Can somebody explain the real differences between the two?
Can't change shiping address.
We added the 115V and 230V options which you can select on checkout. Regarding the XMOS chipset, this is a separate upgrade which as Arthur from Violectric pointed out, is an easy swap and install . This isn't available as part of this drop, but is something that can be purchased from Vioelectric.
So why should anyone get this expensive piece of equipment over a 30 dollar DAC that sounds exactly the same?
Reebadeeb
because this one look better? :P
Reebadeeb
If you have compared a 30 dollar DAC to this one and have a review to share, we would all love to read it. Having not heard this piece nor your mystery 30 dollar DAC, all I can tell you is that it would be great if all equipment sounded the same. It does not. I can easily detect differences in equipment and like many others enjoy these differences as a hobby as we strive to enjoy music as close to the artists' intention as we can. Unless you have something constructive to add based upon personal experience or relevant scientific data, I would reconsider your comments as they insult people who enjoy these types of products.
Why does Massdrop show MSRP as $1,439 when on Lake People's own website, it shows the price as 750eur ($813)? http://lake-people.de/produktdetails/DAC_V800.html
I'm really on the fence about this, would be a great companion to the Lake People Amp that is being dropped right now, but even at $700, it still seems a bit expensive for a massdrop.
For anyone wondering whether this has the new chip, here is a reply I got from Arthur at Vioelectric (GREAT customer support by the way)
The V800 units on MassDrop are coming from us. Some of the confusion is because there are two different Tenor chips that were used in the V800. The original V800 used the Tenor TE7022 and it was only capable of 24/96 with the USB input. It was also NOT asynchronous capable. The V800 V2 used the latest Tenor TE8802 chip upgrading the USB input to 24/192 with asynchronous capability.
The Tenor TE8802 chip requires you to install drivers (the early Tenor chip did not require you to install drivers but, it was limited in its capabilities). The problem was there were some driver issues with newer versions of Windows and Apple OSX. So we offered the XMOS chip board (taken from the V850) as an option with the V800. It uses different drivers that already had support for all operating systems. Since then the Tenor TE8802 drivers have been updated and they also work fine now in all operating systems.
The Tenor TE8802 chip and the XMOS chip both do the same thing. They make the USB input capable of 24/192 asynchronous. The XMOS option added $200 dollars to the price of the V800. Most did not want to pay that. Again now that we have full driver support for the Tenor TE8802 chip there is no need for the XMOS option with the V800.
However, if anyone still wanted to upgrade to the XMOS chip they could do so at anytime. We sell the board separately and it's very easy to swap and install.
I hope I made this a little less confusing. Several audio manufactures had the same problem as us since they also used the Tenor TE8802 and there were driver issues when newer versions of Windows and Apple OS X were released.
Here is a summary of the USB chips used:
- Tenor TE7022 = USB 1.1 with only 24/96 and NO asynchronous capability (no drivers needed in any OS)
- Tenor TE8802 = USB 2.0 with full 24/192 and full asynchronous capability (drivers required in Windows and Apple OS X)
- XMOS = USB 2.0 with full 24/192 and full asynchronous capability (drivers required in Windows only)
Please note that all the USB chips work in Linux without installing drivers. Since most music servers use Linux you will never have any driver issues to deal with.
CaptainK3
CaptainK3, today I too contacted Arthur of Violectric USA via email to get clarity on the Tenor USB chip (which you have covered already) for Mac OSX. I had to address this issue since I don't have the technical knowledge to judge between different USB chipsets. He assured me that there is no performance difference between Tenor and XMOS implementations. He wrote: "The only advantage to the XMOS is that you don't need to install a driver in OS X. Some prefer this." Since downloading and installing most drivers takes a minute or two, plus the XMOS is a replacement option down the road, and finally offering the XMOS instead of the Tenor would make the V800 much more expensive, I am not regarding the lack of the XMOS as a negative. Thank you CaptainK3 for clarifying this as well.
does this do 115V/220V?
How to choose the power supply voltage?
There is no voltage option, Can I get a 230v version?
Why does the description say "Domestic and international orders will be shipped by the vendor." But when I check out, it does not deliver to Singapore?
Supaba
@Supaba, international shipping has been added. If you attempt the check out process again, it should work.
Will there be an option for the XMOS chipset and accompanying description? Thanks