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Ciderus
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Jun 8, 2016
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GalneryusI'm getting so sick of this, personally. Big vendors like Vortex could probably cash in tons of money just offering something remotely close to an ISO model, yet they don't and Massdrop loses a big chunk of their members. This repeats for every single keyboard on here and yet nobody gives a shit. I feel like i'm in a club where i'm not a member.
Makami
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Jun 8, 2016
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CiderusAmerican ansi company located in ansi continent, i bet around 90% ansi customers if not more.
Not one common iso given, offering iso-uk, people rant where is my iso-de ....
Keycapsets with iso-option, often heard comments, nice, but why so expensive. Old PMK, iso didn't get tiped again and again and again.
It's easy to be fed up and rant but a lot harder to make something going by my/yourself.
ProCarpet
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Jun 8, 2016
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MakamiYeah but the Poker II came in ISO so it's understandable why some expect it.
Ciderus
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Jun 8, 2016
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tivasykAll cool! I felt like you were giving me a reason why there's no ISO here. Also, what I meant by 'no position to comment' is that all keyboard layouts are (not statistically, I guess) equally bad compared to each other when you've already learnt a new one. I was guessing that your hate for ISO comes from the fact that you're not used to it, or that you've grown accustomed to something else. I personally am just the same way. I'd be interested to hear what you think is worse with ISO, though, if you have any technical points to bring up. I like having a two-high Enter key, makes it so easy to press without looking, just like spacebar. Also don't find the need for a broad Lshift, so it's nice to tuck one more key in there. I do envy it for gaming, though.
tivasyk
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Jun 9, 2016
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Ciderus«I felt like you were giving me a reason why there's no ISO here» — english is not my native language, it may be that what i intended to be a light-hearted joke actually read all too sarcastic. sorry for that!
«I was guessing that your hate for ISO comes from the fact that you're not used to it, or that you've grown accustomed to something else. I personally am just the same way» — well, ok, "hate" was too harsh a word and was only meant as a part of the joke. for 20 years i've had a chance to use quite a number of different layouts, some really weird by todays standards (http://goo.gl/AB56GI http://goo.gl/Ne9r8J), including ISO's. but you're right, it's mostly just a matter of what one's used to (that's why i actually don't preach layouts).
«I'd be interested to hear what you think is worse with ISO, though, if you have any technical points to bring up. I like having a two-high Enter key, makes it so easy to press without looking, just like spacebar. Also don't find the need for a broad Lshift, so it's nice to tuck one more key in there» — i must have taught myself to touch-type on an ansi keyboard (can't be sure after all those years) because now i find that both ISO-style-narrow enter and lshift are much harder to reach without moving fingers a bit away from the base position. of course this is also just a minor personal preference.
by the way, i've googled a bit and found out that vortex/kbc do make their pok3r with (almost) ISO layout, it's just that massdrop doesn't propose those exactly as you note out — must be the influence of the US audience here =)
«I was guessing that your hate for ISO comes from the fact that you're not used to it, or that you've grown accustomed to something else. I personally am just the same way» — well, ok, "hate" was too harsh a word and was only meant as a part of the joke. for 20 years i've had a chance to use quite a number of different layouts, some really weird by todays standards (http://goo.gl/AB56GI http://goo.gl/Ne9r8J), including ISO's. but you're right, it's mostly just a matter of what one's used to (that's why i actually don't preach layouts).
«I'd be interested to hear what you think is worse with ISO, though, if you have any technical points to bring up. I like having a two-high Enter key, makes it so easy to press without looking, just like spacebar. Also don't find the need for a broad Lshift, so it's nice to tuck one more key in there» — i must have taught myself to touch-type on an ansi keyboard (can't be sure after all those years) because now i find that both ISO-style-narrow enter and lshift are much harder to reach without moving fingers a bit away from the base position. of course this is also just a minor personal preference.
by the way, i've googled a bit and found out that vortex/kbc do make their pok3r with (almost) ISO layout, it's just that massdrop doesn't propose those exactly as you note out — must be the influence of the US audience here =)
Ciderus
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Jun 9, 2016
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tivasykIt's not mine either (ISO, you know), so maybe we got lost in translation a bit. I totally understand what you mean with them being harder to reach. They're not for me, obviously, but I get why you think that. If my language had less letters, I think I would prefer the ANSI layout too, except for the enter key. Oh, but I don't like how brackets and backwards slash get their own keys. I like how they're on the same keys as regular parenthesis and slash.
tivasyk
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Jun 9, 2016
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Ciderusi wonder: which languages do you type in? i use one cyrillic layout to type in ukrainian and russian, and the canadian multilanguage standard (with just one letter added in) to type in english, french and swedish, and it all works fine with the ansi key layout for me.
tivasyk
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Jun 10, 2016
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Ciderusi do speak four, and i'm trying to learn swedish as the fifth. i think i'd go mad if i chose to learn different national layouts for every language, so i only use two (ukrainian unicode https://goo.gl/4HCoFz and canadian multilingual standard https://goo.gl/KaV2S9) with only slight modifications (å).
Ciderus
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Jun 10, 2016
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tivasykOh, the canadian multilingual looks a lot like ISO. I can see how a layout like that is beneficial if you use many different languages. For me, using a swedish one is the simplest (laptop keyboards only come with it here), and writing english on it is basically the same as on a us layout. So how do you type åäö? With ctrl/alt on a, á and o?
tivasyk
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Jun 10, 2016
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Ciderus«So how do you type åäö? With ctrl/alt on a, á and o?» — not in the easies way i admit, but it's quite comfortable once i got used to it. some more frequent characters (é, ç, à, è) are available directly; others require entering a two-parts combinations: first enter a "blind" accent modifier (for example alt+[ for ` or shift+[ for ¨) while nothing still shows on the screen, and then just pressing the usual key to be accented. like this: alt+[; a will give à (although this can also be typed in directly) and [ (it's "blind"); a will give â. sounds horrible? well, on the other hand it permits "construction" of accented letters in a consistent way and at the same time will let those who are used to the ansi querty to avoid learning differnt base layouts (all the qwerty keys are in their usual places). now the canadian multilingual standard lets me type in all the letters ty type in swedish except one — å. so i had to use mklc (https://goo.gl/AEOpvl) to add it in as a similar combination: alt+: and a (cheater, i know).
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