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KnifeGuy
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Dec 9, 2016
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Another super expensive Chinese knife. Thanks but no thanks. I'll buy an American knife with the same materials for the same money. Man, We Knives? Don't even know who they are. Probably another face of the same factory who makes Kizers and Reates, who have gotten the hint that Americans will pay that much for an imported knife so keep dropping all these flippers on us. Yaaaayyyy more flippers with gas station design language. Just not my jam, though I expect this drop will sell every one. If Instagram didn't exist, no one would know who these guys are.
pyrobunny
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Dec 9, 2016
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KnifeGuyThere really is no reason to come here and slam a knife based on its country of origin. Like yes, there are options made in America that are of similar price and materials, but this is an incredibly built knife, and Chinese craftsmanship should be respected just as much as anyone else. Just because China is also known for cheap production doesn't mean they don't have legitimate brands that make high quality products.
KnifeGuy
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Dec 9, 2016
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pyrobunnyI wasn't aware that you were only allowed to share positive opinions. Ah, because there is no such requirement. There really is no reason then, for you to come here and slam opinions you don't like. This is just another super expensive imported knife and hopefully people will choose to support their own countrymen instead of a faceless factory on the other side of the planet.
iceman66
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Dec 9, 2016
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KnifeGuyI'd be interested in a USA made M390 bladed, Ti handled knife of the same quality for the same money - please list my options.
KnifeGuy
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Dec 9, 2016
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iceman66Zero Tolerance alone makes multiple models with these same materials, in subjectively (my opinion) better designs. I own several. Plenty of other companies make Ti super steel flippers also for similar money. You are free to do your own research. The best part about buying from companies here is that any warranty concerns you have can be quickly addressed. Look into We's operation, where is their warranty center? :)
salehonasi
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Dec 9, 2016
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KnifeGuySure, it's expensive, but when you say "an American knife with the same materials for the same money," what exactly are you referring to? The only US company that can hit an equivalent price point is ZT (subbing in 204p for M390, but they're close enough) and even then, that's only because they have economy of scale on their side. WE also does a ridiculous amount of additional machining and milling - milling out the interior of the handle scales, for instance, lightens up full Ti framelocks significantly, but ZT doesn't do this (on any models I've owned, at least) whereas WE does, in addition to all the striations, anodization, etc. Now, I won't necessarily disagree with you on the design language (by and large not a fan) but WE is probably most comparable to knives like an Olamic Wayfarer, about twice the price.
anonomous
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Dec 9, 2016
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KnifeGuywhy reply if you are just going to bad mouth something you have no interest in? you sir are just being a troll. had you actually had any experience with the brand you would know they are as good or better than USA made knives and you would know that USA designers use them for there mass production knives to make money, so you are supporting the USA in a way... for example Todd begg and reate field marshal.
so why not just back off from the hate and the miss understanding you have.
so why not just back off from the hate and the miss understanding you have.
anonomous
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Dec 9, 2016
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KnifeGuyI have more zt models than you probably, there are 3 manufacturers in China that are as good or better. Vlad is the warranty rep in america and he even designs his own line of knives.
ChrisHarkins
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Dec 9, 2016
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anonomousAs a note, the designer of this particular knife is American.
Bobraz
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Dec 9, 2016
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KnifeGuyYou are entitled to your opinions; what I think @pyrobunny meant to say, is just don't diss a knife or a brand solely on the basis of which country it comes from. Offer advice and opinion based on facts, handling, observations, or even suppositions and assumptions.
Just basing your opinion on country of provenance or the nationality of the craftsmen and craftswomen is tantamount to introducing a racist bias in your opinion.
Spyderco, for example, has knives that are made in the USA and others in Asia; I have seen the fit and finish on their Asian (Taichung and Japan) knives and let me tell you, the Taichung-made knives are top notch, perhaps even better than some of the Colorado-made knives. Of course, crappy knives can also be made in Asia, but this is also true of US, Europe etc.
Just basing your opinion on country of provenance or the nationality of the craftsmen and craftswomen is tantamount to introducing a racist bias in your opinion.
Spyderco, for example, has knives that are made in the USA and others in Asia; I have seen the fit and finish on their Asian (Taichung and Japan) knives and let me tell you, the Taichung-made knives are top notch, perhaps even better than some of the Colorado-made knives. Of course, crappy knives can also be made in Asia, but this is also true of US, Europe etc.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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pyrobunnyIt might be high-quality, but it still means you are paying for something that was made in a factory that uses child labour. Yes, that is perfectly legal in China. There are no regulations for manufacturing in China.
ChrisHarkins
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrSo now the accusation is (specifically) that WeKnives runs a factory filled with child labor.
Interesting.
Interesting.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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BobrazLol, 'racist.' Nothing could ever challenge superior German engineering. Nothing. Definitely nothing from shithole China. Remember, this is from a country that keeps hundreds of thousands of political prisoners. A good amount of China is illiterate. What makes you think this is any different?
ChrisHarkins
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Dec 9, 2016
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Sturmgewehr" Lol, 'racist.' Nothing could ever challenge superior German engineering. Nothing. Definitely nothing from shithole China. Remember, this is from a country that keeps hundreds of thousands of political prisoners. A good amount of China is illiterate. What makes you think this is any different? "
I just wanted to quote this to let it simmer some more. I can't make this stuff up.
I just wanted to quote this to let it simmer some more. I can't make this stuff up.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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ChrisHarkinsWell, how do you know? Chinese manufacturing has no standards whatsoever. They do not pass any kind of inspection or quality assurance. They could be using child labour. Many of them do. What makes you think they do not? The fact that they are charging close to 300 quid?
ChrisHarkins
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrI see you have brought "quality assurance" in to question here too.
So, "they could be using child labour" based on your understanding of manufacturing in China and the implication is that they likely are. Or are you saying you assume they are unless someone (whether it's me with a response to the question "What make you think they do not?" or someone else) proves to you otherwise - and we as consumers reading this would be wise to do the same?
Do I have it right?
So, "they could be using child labour" based on your understanding of manufacturing in China and the implication is that they likely are. Or are you saying you assume they are unless someone (whether it's me with a response to the question "What make you think they do not?" or someone else) proves to you otherwise - and we as consumers reading this would be wise to do the same?
Do I have it right?
House
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrJesus, that's a lot of hate. Question, have you ever been to China? Other countries don't have political prisoners? Do you even understand China's education system VS. other countries to deem it illiterate? You sir deserves a big ass banhammer on your face for spreading so much hate on a country in a super niche thread about a knife that just happened to be manufactured in China. Please learn how the world works...and quickly.
ChrisHarkins
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Dec 9, 2016
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HouseIf I'm correctly mirroring back his sentiments (therefore I am understanding him correctly) - I'm inclined to let him continue simply because I find the shock value a bit entertaining. A bit like watching a train wreck.
House
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Dec 9, 2016
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ChrisHarkinsOh yea, I have already screenshoted some of his posts and sent them off to a couple of co-workers. Full office full of Christmas laughs. Thank you @Sturmgewehr . :D
salehonasi
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrPainting with a pretty broad brush there. I suppose it's possible, but unlikely, that they are using child labor - do you have any evidence that they may be doing so other than the fact that it's a Chinese facility? And while Chinese manufacturing in general may not have minimum required amounts of QA, that doesn't mean that a company like WE Knives can't do their own - and judging by the quality of their product, they do. While nationality may correlate to levels of QA, correlation=/= causation.
...Also, China has a 96% percent literacy rate, with almost all of the illiterate being from older generations (most recent generations have a 99.7% literacy rate)
...Also, China has a 96% percent literacy rate, with almost all of the illiterate being from older generations (most recent generations have a 99.7% literacy rate)
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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HouseI have not personally insulted anyone. You have no cause to do so to me.
Alas, I'll return the favour.
Tell me, where do you work? One of the lovely sweatshops in China?
Also, a 96% literacy rate is pretty poor for Western standards.
Alas, I'll return the favour.
Tell me, where do you work? One of the lovely sweatshops in China?
Also, a 96% literacy rate is pretty poor for Western standards.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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ChrisHarkinsWhat is so shocking mein Freund? That I have the guts to criticise a product? Surely that is unparallelled!
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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HouseCivilised European countries do not keep political prisoners. Germany and Scandinavia, and even Russia, for instance, do not.
And, I do not need to learn how the world operates. If anyone seeks to challenge me, I have my German-made K98k bayonet to show them what I think about their 'efforts.' That thing has survived an entire world war, and comes out of it with 90% of its bluing intact. Surely this knife will not be around in 75 years?
And, I do not need to learn how the world operates. If anyone seeks to challenge me, I have my German-made K98k bayonet to show them what I think about their 'efforts.' That thing has survived an entire world war, and comes out of it with 90% of its bluing intact. Surely this knife will not be around in 75 years?
ChrisHarkins
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrCarry any opinion you want and criticize a product all you want. I judge you are criticizing an entire culture and country, though.
By all means, carry on.
By all means, carry on.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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ChrisHarkinsHow am I criticising the 'culture?' China allows child labour, and pays workers next to nothing. Apparently that is somehow critical of the culture itself? Okay, I guess Chinese culture encourages people to work for free and die piss-poor.
House
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrIn one post you said China is a "shithole", that's criticizing an entire culture; the same as you just said China pays workers next to nothing. (Not to mention both of which are no where near true) Child labor is a really misunderstood topic. For example, kids in USA/Canada work at McDonalds at 14, is that child labor? Nope. Just because there are illegal activities around child labor doesn't necessarily mean it is legal nor does it mean the government does not care about it. Also in reply to me you mentioned "I did not insult anyone", you insulted a whole nation of people.....that's an instrumental type of tomfoolery only you yourself cannot recognize. You need help; get it, seriously, like, ASAP.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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HouseI get it, you're a Sinophile. You won't accept any criticism of China, no matter how remote it is.
Mao Zedong killed 70 million innocent people. Apparently I cannot criticise him either, because that is apparently degrading to an 'entire culture?'
I do not know where in the US 14 year olds can work. Also, America is hardly a model country. Tell me that 14 year olds can work in Norway and I'll be surprised.
And also, do not tell me to 'get help.' You do not know a thing about me, neither do I you.
Minimum wage in China is 1.00$/hour. That is apallingly low. Even India and Vietnam pay workers better than that. It is not enough to live on. How is that insulting a culture? If anything, your sensitivity to everything needs 'help.' You SJWs seriously perplex me. You take offence to everything. If I made up a bunch of shit about a European country underpaying workers, you would not care, but when I mention that a non-Western nation pays almost nothing, it is like the world just committed suicide.
Mao Zedong killed 70 million innocent people. Apparently I cannot criticise him either, because that is apparently degrading to an 'entire culture?'
I do not know where in the US 14 year olds can work. Also, America is hardly a model country. Tell me that 14 year olds can work in Norway and I'll be surprised.
And also, do not tell me to 'get help.' You do not know a thing about me, neither do I you.
Minimum wage in China is 1.00$/hour. That is apallingly low. Even India and Vietnam pay workers better than that. It is not enough to live on. How is that insulting a culture? If anything, your sensitivity to everything needs 'help.' You SJWs seriously perplex me. You take offence to everything. If I made up a bunch of shit about a European country underpaying workers, you would not care, but when I mention that a non-Western nation pays almost nothing, it is like the world just committed suicide.
House
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Dec 9, 2016
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SturmgewehrOk you have no logic at all, I give up. For one, giving feeble evidence (minimum wage) doesn't prove a ridiculously broad conclusion (China pays workers next to nothing). Secondly, stating the fact you have problems in your logic doesn't mean I defend every country in the world, although I am happy to. This isn't fun anymore, so here it is, I was wrong : you are beyond help.
anonomous
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Dec 9, 2016
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Sturmgewehrso you apply all the bad about China to every product? lol
why does it even matter to you?
I agree the Chinese don't always make good knives, this is evident with crkt and bokers and Kershaw knives that are made in China. the same is not true with top tier manufactures like WEKnives, rike and reate.
why does it even matter to you?
I agree the Chinese don't always make good knives, this is evident with crkt and bokers and Kershaw knives that are made in China. the same is not true with top tier manufactures like WEKnives, rike and reate.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 9, 2016
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HouseOf course, you only defend countries with a majority non-White / European population. If I said Iceland or Sweden was a 'shithole,' you wouldn't care at all. Typical SJW logic...
If this knife was made in Russia (which I wish it was), I bet you would have no problem calling Russia a 'shithole,' since you're American, and god knows Americans are taught from the minute they are born and have their penises cut off that Russians are 'evil.'
If this knife was made in Russia (which I wish it was), I bet you would have no problem calling Russia a 'shithole,' since you're American, and god knows Americans are taught from the minute they are born and have their penises cut off that Russians are 'evil.'
AlexPk
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Dec 10, 2016
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SturmgewehrThis is conversation has become completely irrelevant and serves no benefit to anyone. Any further personal attacks or xenophobic remarks will be edited or removed. Thanks.
Sturmgewehr
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Dec 10, 2016
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AlexPkWhatever you say.
I was not inclined to insult at first. I was the one that was initially insulted. I don't understand how criticism of China could be perceived as 'xenophobic,' but then again, this century is the age of Social Justice Warriors. If you want to censor, go ahead. I'll be present in this discussion no longer.
I was not inclined to insult at first. I was the one that was initially insulted. I don't understand how criticism of China could be perceived as 'xenophobic,' but then again, this century is the age of Social Justice Warriors. If you want to censor, go ahead. I'll be present in this discussion no longer.
AlexPk
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Dec 11, 2016
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SturmgewehrIt's a warning to the whole conversation, not just you. Your comment just happens to be the last one. Sorry for that confusion
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