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xDuoo Nano D3 Digital Audio Player

xDuoo Nano D3 Digital Audio Player

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Hello guys! I'd like to ask other xDuoo Nano D3 users if you experienced bass interference and distortion while listening with EQ setting: Bass or Jazz? I notice something like this with my one and I'm very suspicious about this device. Can you guys check this out with yours pieces? Take music with good bass, turn EQ into Bass or Jazz and let me and others know. Thanks a lot and I cannot wait for replies! Cheers

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hello, i´ve recently bought D3 nano, but i want to update the firmware which I downloaded on the xduoo site, anyone knows how to do it?
dani22
RTFM included with the firmware update... steps are included there
So will this thing play FLAC files or is it still being discussed ? The specs and many members say yes. Also, where's a good place to purchase music on the net ? I've used I tunes in the past, and hated it. Too much security i.e. passwords, which I could never remember. And it seemed needlessly complex. I felt like a dummy.
emember556
D3 can play FLAC files.
You can find the detail right here, https://www.xtenik.com/xduoo-d3-lossless-music-player-dsd-256-coming/.
steven.0324
Thanks
I own both this and the Hidizs AP60 MKII, which is on Amazon for $115 when you also buy their $15 earphones and use a coupon ($130 player + $15 earphone - $30 coupon). What do you get for the extra $40? A player with gapless playback, menus and buttons that work as expected, Bluetooth connectivity, ability to be used as a transport, OTG, in general a product that feels finished and not just a work in progress, delivery in a few days. What do you get with the $75 for the D3? Rather decent sound, decent display, a basic player that does everything necessary if you are a song listener. That is that you use random playback and just listen to song after song. The lack of gapless playback won't be noticeable. You do want to make sure that you have the latest firmware to prevent the first few seconds of songs being cut off.
bsoplinger
can you compare between the two players in terms of sound quality? which is better?
bsoplinger
I saw the deal as a bundle, you don't have to buy the earphones separate. Do you know what earphones are included with it? It doesn't specify.
probs a stupid question but can you download audible to this and listen to it?
ducman
No, not really something you can download apps to. If you could turn your audio books into audio files they may work (haven't tried files that contain hours of audio), but that's it. It's a very simple device.
Again no FM Radio! SMH I don't care if it's not a high resolution audio source. These manufacturers need to throw in FM Radio with these higher priced devices. That is why I still don't own a higher end DAP. I'll keep sticking with my Sansa Sport Clip.
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For me DAP+ DAC+ decent buds is a must.
synapticflow
Onn X5 may be the DAP you're looking for then if you want FM Radio. Costs only like $45 on Gearbest.
Honestly I don't think putting an FM module will cost much, it just depends on whether or not the OEM wants to.
Couple of questions: 1) Can you navigate (next/previous song), play/pause, without having to turn on the screen? (ie it's playing back but the screen is "sleeping") 2) Is the 250 mw output per channel? 3) How does the DAC and amp sound compared to other daps? 4) Echoing earlier question, is USB OTG-capable?
64,000 lossless songs on 8GB? Stated not just once but twice so you know it must be true.
hope rockbox will work on it...!
dani22
Rockbox is not working on D3, but you can try X3, or maybe next month X3+.
hope Rockbox will work on D3...!!
I received mine yesterday. My initial impressions were "what a piece of garbage" and I can't believe Massdrop is selling. I've trusted Massdrop before so I thought I'd get something reasonable - at least halfway reasonable for $75. Then again this my first entry into a dedicated lossless music player. At least I know still want such a device. I updated the firmware to 1.2 and got my FLAC, MP3, M4A. All worked. Did not retain track order in folders. So that really sucks!
EQ presets are terrible except for the Bass Boost one. Not amazing, but useable. Can't tweak EQ.
PROS: Small Cheap Sounds reasonable good. Then again that's probably the FLAC-ness :)
CONS Small - feel just a little to small UI SUCKS UI SLOW
Is it worth buying? No. Save up and try a different brand. I'm gonna save for a Fiio.
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the M3s looks sick. No Android but I'm honestly debating whether I even need that anymore. It would be nice but that m3s has Dual AK Dacs, Dual crystal oscillators, and a 4way amp circuit... that should sound clean!
slugman
Yeah it's a nice player! I'm really happy with it - especially in that price range.
Is it worth buying if I own galaxy s6? I have sennhiezer urbanite headphone. will use 320KBPS mp3 files since this player dont support flac or alac
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ok thanks, I have talked with the brand support and they told me that the device don't support flac or alac
adartzt321
My unit plays FLAC just fine but not AIFF.
How is the screen, is size of menu icons and labels adjustable? My father is slowly losing vision and Fiio X3 (2nd gen) screen is sub par and font size can't be adjusted that much. I tried using custom easier-to-see theme but its still not enough.
TurnipOfDeath
As far as I can tell, there's no way to customize font and icon sizes.
silverthornne
Yes, it cannot customize the font and the icon sizes
No Apple Lossless (ALAC) support?
LordBorg
no support for alac or flac
adartzt321
The specs clearly state:
  • Supported formats: DSD64–DSD256 (DSF and DFF); APE: 16–24 bit / 44.1–98 kHz; FLAC and WAV: 16–24 bit / 44.1–192 kHz; AAC, OGG, MP3, WMA

  • Most of the files on mine are flac's.
I currently have a love/hate relationship with my D3. I don't mind the lack of gapless; what really irks me is the UI. I have a lot of songs in my library that I haven't really heard much or at all (remember the old practice of having to buy the entire CD for just one or two songs that you liked?) that I've been discovering all over again now because I also bought the HiFiMan HE4XX (my nicest pair of cans so far) and have many new songs that I want to flag as Favorites, but the UI on the D3 to do something like that is horrendous!
If the song is playing and I press the Back key, it sometimes pops up a menu that lets me add it to Favorites. Huzzah! That's what I want! But that only happens sometimes. Most of the time that I press the back key, I'm just taken to the Home menu. Just right now I tried to replicate how I think it makes the Save as Favorite menu pop up and it popped up a modal alert that I hadn't seen yet asking if I was sure I wanted to delete the song! What the heck is this? I'm already looking into a touchscreen DAP as I don't intend to have to deal with this inconsistent D3 for long.
As for the sound quality and all that, unfortunately I'm not the guy to ask - yet. I've just started to appreciate good audio quality so am not that good at explaining things related to it nor do I have properly developed ears yet.
This is my first DAP so i'm not going to pretend i'm qualified to give an in depth audiophile worthy review but I will say that I love it and it's worth every penny. The size is wonderful; it fits in a few of my earbud cases with an iem inside! I love the UI. I love that it has built in storage (not all DAPs at this price point do). I love that it has a full color display. I am only loading CD converted FLAC files with the album art and it displays it nicely while i'm jamming. I love how the battery last forever. You could use this to run your burn-in mixes because it just goes forever. It isn't ridiculously powerful but it will run about all of my buds and iems at my desired listening volume and for the few i want a little more juice for, I plug up my Fiio A5. Can't really complain for the price, but my only reason to upgrade whenever I do will be for more power. And a part of me wants a DAP with two micro sd slots just because I know it exists.
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jamesagain
But how is it with the 6XXs and what is that amp?
Dotnub
I’m not a fan of the d3 with the 6xx’s. The amp is the Fiio A5. I think the reason why is because the Sennheisers require so much dog on power. It doesn’t sound bad,but not magical either like when I’m listening to my buds like my Thinksound ts03s, ttpods or 1more Triple Drivers. With the 6xxs i can max the volume on the player and amp on high gain and thats never a nice place to be except for with the highest quality equipment. So I pretty much stick to earphones with the D3 for the most part.
Is the micro USB OTG capable by any chance? I'd like to get a dedicated device to drive my lossless files to an external DAC since I can't store them on my office computer.
Heefty
No.
tl;dr - It's good, but not perfect by a long shot. If you just want your music on a small device that (probably) won't need an amp, and has enough battery power to get you through a few continuous days of use on shuffle or for casual listening - go ahead and pick one up. You may have a connection issue or two depending on your computer, or find yourself a bit frustrated with the interface if you have a large library of files; but these are fairly easy to work around. The device-killer here? Gapless playback. Look elsewhere in this case. Every song fades in/out across 2-3 seconds and after scrubbing. Every time. (I hope this is just a bug in my copy, but it seems like a "feature".) --- --- --- --- --- I've had my Nano D3 for close to a week now, so I figured I'd offer up some detailed (aka too long) impressions and notes for people interested. There are also a few slightly bizarre marketing claims made with this product (marketing mumbo-jumbo or poor translation, I can't say), that I'm hoping to clear up as well.
Finally - and critically - I'm no audiophile. I like stuff to sound "nice" and "detailed", but once it starts getting to the realm of "really good", I just don't have the golden ear to distinguish differences any more. Though I tend to keep everything in FLAC, this is only because I've found a lot of poorly encoded .mp3 files out there and have become paranoid. I'm a firm believer that with properly encoded .mp3 files at 320kbps (even 256) I either: A. don't have the equipment to tell the difference or B. wouldn't be able to tell a difference anyway (don't judge me too harshly). For reference: 160kbps vs FLAC I can tell in a double-blind most (90%+) of the time. 192kbps drops harshly to about 65% accuracy - just barely over random guessing, and only on nicer equipment. But again, I've also heard 256/320kbps .mp3 files encoded poorly that weren't even close to the originals.
With all that in mind, I won't be commenting on the sound aside from saying that it hits my definition of "good enough". Besides, I'm also in the camp that - if you start with a good audio file - the output (speakers/headphones) matter far more than the delivery system (dac) to the final sound signature (so speakers/phones > amp > dac as long as the components aren't obviously poorly made). If you can stomach all of those things without hating me (I feel all the judging stares...) then I'll keep going. --- --- --- --- --- All I wanted from this player was something small (check), with decent battery life (check), that I could toss in a pocket with some IEMs for a decent listening experience while running around (check). Cool. Done. That was easy. Sort of.
The build feels solid. Not indestructible, but quite solid. The addition of 2 screen protectors (seriously, thank you Xduoo) means I don't feel bad throwing this in the same pocket as my keys when necessary. Will it scratch/scuff over time? Maybe. It hasn't happened yet, but it's entirely possible. It's not a concern for me though, and the idea that this is how it's been treated for a week without issue is a good early indicator.
Battery is solid. 900mAh seems like more than enough for all-day listening plus change. How long exactly, I can't say as I haven't tested this. Playback with the screen off for several hours (3-4) only made the battery drop a single bar (out of 5). Messing with it a ton while the screen was on while doing this write-up? Knocked off a bit more than 2 bars (dropped 3, then changed its mind and put one back). Another plus is that 900mAh means it'll probably charge up from empty fairly quickly. (2-3hrs from empty? This is just a guess.) I haven't allowed mine to go that far as I'm actually using it and allowing it to drain fully would be pretty inconvenient at the moment.
The specifications claim "IPS HD" screen followed immediately by 240x320 resolution. Quite confusing. Let me try to help. Yes, traditional HD is anything at 1280x720 and up with FullHD defined as 1920x1080. I'm guessing most of you know this. However, the other part of that definition is that this classification only counts at 72dpi+. Since this is a 2-inch screen, that 240x320 falls somewhere around 138dpi (-ish). So, high enough pixel density to give an HD-like viewing experience. Can you see the pixels? Sure. Don't stare that close. It's bad for your eyes. The wording here is misleading, and I wouldn't really define this as "HD", but it's more than adequate for the real estate you will be looking at. I'm ready to believe the "IPS" claim though as viewing angles are quite good, and there's a little bit of that distinctive IPS light "leak" around the edges (not distracting though).
EQ and presets are there, as well as a "custom" option [+/-6dB across 62Hz, 250Hz, 1kHz, 6kHz, and 16kHz] but I'm not really one to mess with EQ much and tend to always leave it "off". Interestingly, I noted that going to the "custom" EQ all zero'd out still results in an overall reduction of perceivable volume. I don't know if this is because "off" is already calibrated up a bit, or if engaging the EQ modifies the audio chain somehow dropping output. I'd like to think the latter as bypassing entirely is what I feel "off" should signify. No clue though.
Here's another marketing snafu: " With 8 gigabytes of built-in storage, the Nano D3 has room for about 6,400 lossless songs—and that’s expandable to 256 gigabytes via the microSD card slot." Okay. This is wrong, but closer than it seems at a glance. 8GB won't get you anywhere near 6,400 lossless songs, but I did some math before the drop and worked out that the 256GB microSD with WAV/FLAC/etc. at 1141kbps would fit that 6400 song amount (at about 4m30s per song). The actual internal 8GB after OS and formatting has about 7GB remaining or roughly 180 of those same lossless tracks.
I mentioned it right at the beginning, but this player - or mine at the very least - has one remarkably frustrating trait: no gapless playback, and every track seems to start/end with a fade in/fade out. It's like the first and last 2-3 seconds of every track don't exist. The same kind of fade-in effect occurs when you scrub back/forth in a track. This is in all playback modes (sequential/repeat/random) and occurs on both FLACs and .mp3s (the only files I have to test right now). So continuous album or symphony lovers? Mourn thy loss. Why is it this way? I have no clue. This is head-slammingly frustrating and I would love to see this addressed in a firmware update, but a few quick Google searches indicate that this may also be a problem in some of their other players. The only idea I've been able to come up with is perhaps the player "pops" on these file transitions/scrubbing and the fade was an easy or necessary fix. This could easily be a "no-buy" point for many, so be advised. (I hate this issue, but everything else is convenient enough that I ultimately decided to keep mine.)
Settings menu options include changing the language, auto power off, sleep timer, lock keys, backlight time, system info, format (internal/external) storage, and reset all. Language is self explanatory. I was mildly peeved that Auto-off only goes up to 20min (5/10/15/20), but really the device only takes about 6 seconds to boot and - with headphones in - can immediately resume playback. Not a big deal. Sleep timer does exactly what you'd expect - shutting the device down during playback after the specified interval (10/15/30/60/120min).
Lock keys is very mildly frustrating for me in that they gave me many options, but not exactly what I was looking for. When the screen is off, you can have this set to lock all keys (only power button works), lock none (all keys function as normal), lock play keys (front facing for play/pause and seek/skip), lock volume keys (side keys). Good, but if we're going this far; give me the volume and track skip keys with a lock on the larger play/pause key and a guard against accidentally holding down one of the seek keys while in my pocket. Now I'm just nitpicking...
The rest of the settings are fairly straightforward, so moving on to Music Settings. Play mode, EQ, preferred display, resume mode, default volume. Play modes are: order, repeat all, repeat one, and shuffle. Worth noting that "shuffle" is a "true" endless shuffle, so if you have a small EP album, don't be shocked when a track gets played twice in a row before another one ever gets playback. EQ includes: BASS (yes, it's actually in all-caps, and definitely far too much for my taste), Heavy Metal, Pop, Jazz, Unique (? I don't understand this one), and Custom. Most of these seem to be in the league of, "tuned far enough that you'll definitely hear a difference," though not necessarily tuned that well. Tinkerers might be able to get good results from their own settings in Custom. I just leave mine off.
Preferred display allows you to choose between showing the album cover or lyrics by default (can only do one at a time), which reminds me it's a good time to mention that your standard ID3 tags will work just fine here - at least under the My Music navigation (where you'll usually be). If you go to the "Folder" section, things seem to be organized in a slightly different way. Most of my subfolders maintain order numerically (tracks and albums look okay), but a few artist folders seem out of place. This might be special characters throwing the player a curve, or it might be related to "date created" data. Again, no clue, but it's a non-issue from the "My Music" side of things as long as your tags are correct.
Resume mode lets you pick between song (start at the beginning of your last track), position (resume exactly where you left off in a track), or off. Default volume allows you to set the power-on volume exactly where it was when you powered off (memory) or to set a specific level to always power on at (custom). It'd be nice if they also had a "limit volume" option for that "held-button-down-in-pocket-now-it-hurts", situation; but alas it was not to be.
The playback screen makes good use of its real estate displaying volume level, whether or not headphones are plugged in, play/pause status, microSD status, battery indicator, cover art or lyrics, track position, track number/total tracks, playback time position/total time, track title, artist, EQ on/off, playback mode, and bitrate/quality (320kbps or 16bit/44K as examples). Curiously, it doesn't include the album name on this display, but I've found a long press-and-hold of the play/pause button takes you to another screen with track, album, artist, genre, codec, sample rate, and bit depth info. Still, if you want album info at a glance, make sure your cover art is embedded in the file properly before uploading.
On that note: connectivity. It's good. Mostly. Charging from the micro-USB is a breeze and can be done with just about any micro-USB cable and a powered USB port. Connecting the Nano to a computer may be ever-so-slightly hit/miss. I did several tests and annoyed many friends. I had one machine (Mac) that didn't like the player being connected during wake up and I had to unplug/plug in before it recognized. Another Mac had no issues. 2 Win 10 machines that picked up on the player right away, a 3rd Win 10 that would charge but simply would not recognize the device from any port - this was fixed by a reboot. Finally, 2 Linux machines running Ubuntu (one worked splendidly and the other went into convulsions on the ground until I removed the microSD card, got it recognized, then re-added the card...very strange and I blame the computer). No Win 8/7/Vista/XP (XP? Really?) to test, so be aware your mileage may vary.
That said, there isn't much need to mount the device if you don't want to and don't plan to use the internal storage. Just get a card reader, format the card either in-device or from the computer to FAT32, load up your music files/folders, and pop it back in the player. Be aware that reading/updating the library can take a few minutes or longer depending on how many files you've got. Another oddity? I had to go into the "Folders" option from the main menu and select the microSD card before it scanned all the files. Just adding the card and opening the "My Music" option didn't get me anywhere as it was still looking at the internal storage.
And you can't have both the internal and external storage mounted simultaneously (at least, it doesn't work for me). This is why I don't think mounting the device is too big of a deal. I doubt many wish to be restricted by the 8GB internal storage limit and are probably buying/repurposing a microSD card to use with this player. If you *do* switch between the storage options from the main menu "Folders" option - it's entirely possible...but it'll also have to rescan your media library (Nooo!) which - as I said before - can take several minutes. Odd? Yes. I just leave the internal storage alone (aside from having some emergency, "need this microSD card now," tracks there just in case I ever have reason to pull it from the player).
I stand by my reluctance to describe listening experience as this is probably too subjective for me to give accurate account of. But I will say that the little DAC/Amp has enough power to drive a decent range of headphones/IEMs. I tried plugging in a set of Beyerdynamic DT880 Pros (250 Ohm) and maxed out (100 vol.), the player could get loud. Not painful loud, but probably past casual listening loud. That said, I could also hear the player straining a bit this high up (certain frequencies distorting in a way similar to clipping and the noise floor became apparent). For anything this high impedance, I'd recommend an amp as well - but I feel like it almost defeats the purpose of this particular player. The IEMs I actually use with this player all fall in the 32 Ohm range, and there's plenty of power here for that (the 250mW @ 32 Ohms seems to be spot on). Haven't used the line out yet (again, not really what I bought this for).
In conclusion, I like it. It's like a puppy. I like puppies. But every once in a while, it makes a mess of the carpet. Gaplessly. But that's okay. Maybe it'll grow out of that someday (with a firmware update).
...That was too much to write. Anyone who read this far, congrats - your patience and concentration must be well above average. Anyway, I hope that was helpful for some of you and if you have any other questions let me know and I'll try to address them. Thanks!
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shorkorde
There's no option to turn off the fade in and out?
ZachL
Nope. Pure speculation here, but I think there's either a limitation to how fast it can process; or it might pop/glitch in some way when switching tracks/scrubbing/play-pause with this being the easy way to "fix" it. Either way, it's there and not something that can be turned off.
Pretty aggravating. Had I known beforehand, I might have held off buying. Oh well. Live, learn, and eventually consider gifting away when the next shiny toy comes along, haha.
waynesworld
ouch - sounds like the UI is painfully slow. wonder how long until they will fix that or we can get a rockbox port?
no user set equalizer?
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Short answer, it doesn't. M1 sounds better and is easier to navigate with a better UI. @shorkorde The M1 isn't all plastic. The outer band is aluminum. *thumbs up*
TheContraptionist
Thanks for your input......it confirms what others have said.
Has anyone who has a D3 actually connected the usb input to a Windows machine? I ask this because the user manual claims this input is for charging (which works) and transferring music files to the internal memory but my Windows 7 Pro 64 bit SP1 machine does not recognize the D3's usb implementation and the manufacturer's D3 support/downloads webpae does not have a Windows driver. For that matter, there is no description of any kind as to what kind of "computer" (to use their term) the D3 can connect to. Any help would be appreciated.
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cosign
jamesagain
Found out that will work with Win 7. Had to try all 3 usb ports before I found one that that recognized it.
How's the display in sun light or bright shade?
dpaulku
I wasn't in direct noon sunlight, but I was outside jamming and whizzing around on my hover board the other day (about 4pm on a clear day) and I could see the screen just fine.
I found a same product on Amazon.com. Are they the same?
I'm going to dip my feet into high quality audio for the first time and bought the Hifiman 4XX and the Topping NX1S. Would this be a good additional investment? I plan to feed it some FLAC's at first, but am also looking at DSD's in the future.
xduoo d3 nano vs xduoo x10 which better?
It's xDuoo guys, the sound quality is obviously good considering the amount of praise it got from the X2 and X3.
>> Memory: Built-in 8GB storage capacity (approx. 6,400 lossless songs) @Massdrop, who's writing this description?
romko
Yeah, that's a clearly false statement. You won't fit even 6,400 mp3 songs into 8gb, unless they're 96 kbps or something :D
romko
Did a little math (aaah!) and I think I've worked out where this comes from. If you calculate for FLAC files at 1141kbps across the expansion slot's maximum 256GB card, then you can, in fact, fit about 6400 songs at a very loose average of 4min30s per song. Very inaccurate and misleading to present the numbers this way; but I'm pretty sure that's what is going on. For those interested, the same 4min30s songs on the original 8GB would be about 200 songs - but this doesn't account for storage lost to formatting/os/etc. so it's probably not a bad idea to estimate less (maybe 150?). Hope that helps!
Can this be used as a transport?
rodizzle
Via line out it can! But yeah, there is little known about the functionality of this device. I suspect a SoC and a single dac/output chip. But, I want to see a review just like everyone else.
I'd also like to hear observations from owners, especially comparisons with other similar mini portable players (Shanling M1 , Hidizs AP60).