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xDuoo XP-2 Bluetooth & USB DAC/Amp

xDuoo XP-2 Bluetooth & USB DAC/Amp

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By any chance, does someone has XP-2 working under Linux?
jvbcz
Nevermind, just got it working! Nice! [ 1142.722964] usb 2-3: new high-speed USB device number 8 using xhci_hcd [ 1142.906099] usb 2-3: config 1 has an invalid interface number: 6 but max is 3 [ 1142.906106] usb 2-3: config 1 has no interface number 3 [ 1142.908288] usb 2-3: New USB device found, idVendor=262a, idProduct=0001, bcdDevice= 0.01 [ 1142.908295] usb 2-3: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=0 [ 1142.908299] usb 2-3: Product: XP-2 [ 1142.908302] usb 2-3: Manufacturer: XDUOO [ 1142.913012] input: XDUOO XP-2 as /devices/pci0000:00/0000:00:14.0/usb2/2-3/2-3:1.0/0003:262A:0001.0003/input/input31 [ 1142.983452] hid-generic 0003:262A:0001.0003: input,hidraw2: USB HID v1.00 Device [XDUOO XP-2] on usb-0000:00:14.0-3/input0 [ 1143.079811] usbcore: registered new interface driver snd-usb-audio
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The music data goes from phone (iPhone 7 Plus) to xDuoo Xp-2 via Bluetooth, is it digital ?
el34han
Bluetooth is a digital signal.
Can it power hd6xx??
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The HD6xx needs about 17mw (maybe a few more for peaks but not much more) to render 110db under 300 ohms. All you really need is 2Vrms. YMMV but then you should be careful with your mileage... with your ears that is...
PeteMtl
The upper limit is to accomodate for transient bursts. It can actually go as high as 120 dB for very detailed music so you must take that into account when calculating headroom. I listen normally around 80 dB so I always set my ceiling for 110 dB+ (I'd rather be covered than not, just in case). Not to mention, the huge impedance swings of the 6XX family and the fact they love gobs of voltage. An LG V30 outputs 2Vrms and it is not capable of pushing the 6XX as intended. Ask me how I know that. I've listened to the 6XX balanced out of some very powerful amps (iFi iCAN, THX 789, etc) and that additional power makes a world of difference. So while you may push them to a reasonably loud volume, you're not providing enough voltage to the drivers to push them with authority and wake the 6XX up. I'd rather err on the side of caution and not have folks waste coins on a device that isn't made for high impedance headphones and push them towards a unit that can.
We will see how it works. Watched a lot of reviews, with prices around 200. This came close to all of them but cheaper. So i gambled and bought this.
Hi all,
This product really peaked my interest but i'm struggling to find any reviews etc. I can see some people have shared their thoughts below, but I wonder if anyone else could comment on sound quality etc?
Essentially i'm looking for a mobile solution preferably that has Bluetooth functionality . I'll be using with both Apple and Android (Samsung S8). My search so far led me to Ifi XDSD and Fiio Q5. Obviously both of these are much more expensive. But I'm intrigued as to whether this product could get close in terms of SQ & functionality?
Any thoughts would be welcome.
Thanks!
samshone
I currently use the AT-PHA50BT for the same use case you describe above. I find it able to drive all my phones (Grado, Audeze, HE-4xx) with no issues. Great sound, great battery life, great portability.
can it power the sennheiser hd6xx and 1more triple driver on ear headphnes?
Can anyone tell which cables come with this? I can't really tell from the photos. Also, anyone know where to find a lightning to micro usb cable? I want to use this with an iPhone and would like to avoid the lightning to usb adapter. Thanks in advance for the input.
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My guess is no considering that they don’t list iOS devices as supported. MFi certification is rare at this price point. 3.5mm or BT will be your only option until MFi cables are available on the open market. I am still buying it for the BT connection.
HarryBack
Thanks for your input! This thing is pretty killer love how versatile it is.
Well, dang. It doesn't work with USB output from my old phone that I store all of my high resolution files on (newer one doesn't have SD card slot because Apple)... According to the user manual, it can only be because my phone doesn't support USB OTG function, which seems odd since I've been using it to drive a desktop DAC for years using OTG support. Not sure what's going on there. Anyone else having trouble?
Heefty
I went through this trouble a few months ago looking for a solution to buying a portable music setup. Long story short, if you are running android pre-5.1 you are going to run in to issues. If you want more details let me know, otherwise just know you are in for a headache.
OrvilleRedenbacher
Details please! Android 5.0.... If there is a work-around, it would be fantastic to know about it.
Can't believe I just missed this by 2 days. I woudl have jumped on it.
hypocrite
this is the way of massdrop my friend
I see there are two usb ports, could i use the data port charging while listening ?
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If my USB charger is supplying power to the XP-2 via its MicroUSB "CHARGE" port, and my Google Pixel 2 phone is plugged into the XP-2's "USB" port via a USB-C to MicroUSB cable (e.g. https://www.monoprice.com/product?p_id=14957), will the XP-2 supply power via USB-C Power Delivery to charge my phone?
If I am using the XP-2 with headphones that include a microphone (e.g. my Koss Porta Pro), will the XP-2 convey the input signal so I can talk on the phone?
BobSut
If you plug a powered MicroUSB into the XP-2 power port it will charge. Just about anything will charge it.
The XP-2 will never charge anything, and you can only charge it via the charge port, not the data port.
The data port should work for sound if you make sure the cable you use supports USB on-the-go mode. I'm not sure if that monoprice cable will work, I don't see "OTG" in the listing. Not sure if all USB-C cables support it. I personally bought this one and it worked perfectly with my Google Nexus 5X phone and a Mac with several USB dac/amps, so I'm pretty sure it'll work with the XP-2: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0744BKDRD/
AFAIK, microphone signals will NOT go back into a phone. I don't think the XP-2 has an extra ring in its TRS connector for that (making it a TRRS). It's strictly for listening (phone support would be very cool though, especially via BT). Not 100% on this.
Does anyone else's unit rattle when they shake it? :4
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Yeah that crappy cable belongs in the garbage! How many returns have they had because of their cheapness on those cables I wonder. The XP-2 had much better, little 3 inch cables in the box (one was USB-C). Oh yeah, xduoo has that module on their japanese site... I saw it awhile back when looking to see what DAC chip this XP-2 has (AKM4452). I agree it doesn't really make too much sense for the XD-05. I was surprised they made it!
I just bought one of the Bluetooth modules, and it is amazingly small -- a lot smaller than you think it would be. It adds a little bit of length to the XD-05, and it sounds great. It is *well worth* the $55, if for no other reason than you don't have to deal with the XD-05's goofy cables that never fit great, and it also lets you keep your phone far enough away that there's no RF static. I was skeptical, but decided to buy it because I love my updated XD-05 (with a Burson opamp), and it is a winner!
I’m looking for something to use to be able to stream from my phone to a DarkVoice 336se, would this work ok in that chain? Ideally i would like to have the options to do the following (with all options ending DV > headphones) pc > usb Dac iphone lightning > dac bluetooth source (tv, kids phones etc) > dac will this hit all those needs easily and is it the proper device? I love my dv and he560 / jubilee combo and would like to add input options. Currently I’m using a cheap amazon spdif dac which limits me to pc only. Thank you.
Khaphora
According to xDuoo website, the XP-2 works with IOS. You would need a lightning to micro usb cable to connect your iPhone to XP-2 and an aux cable from XP-2 to DV. Hope it helps.
Khaphora
Yes, I think this XP2 would work well in all those use cases, and sounds quite good with the MD Jubilee and m1060's, which might be close to the HE560. It's very small and light though and will get pulled around your desk by the wires. So I'd also recommend a desktop DAC to hook up semi-permanently to the PC + darkvoice, just so you don't have to keep reconnecting it and managing (wearing out) the battery, etc. I use an SDAC to drive my DV and it has a nice sound.
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Can anyone answer this? Would the Bose QC35ii connect to this Dac/Amp via bluetooth? Or, I would need to use a 3.5mm headphone jack from QC35ii to the Dac/Amp?Anyone?
P.S. Also can someone recommend a nice Dac/Amp with DSD for use on the go with a cellphone and multiple driver iem/sometimes OTE headphones like QC35ii?
Thank's in advance.
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Thanks for the info, I also have the bluewave Get, but it doesn't work with qc35 unless I use a 3.5mm cable. In order to have noise cancellation working qc35 needs to operate via bluetooth. I bought GET thinking it will work unfortunately it isn't. I emailed bluewave guys regarding that, they said GET works only with 3.5mm headphone connected.
VAS007
The sound quality of bluetooth is limited by its supported codecs. If you want higher bit rates over bluetooth you are going to have to look elsewhere. Last I knew the Bose 35 didn't support aptXHD or LDAC(Sony IP) so you won't gain much by switching devices and keeping those cans. The bluewave Get and Radsone ES100's are both quality BT Amp/DAC's with the former being more suited to harder to drive cans but I find the ES100 no slouch. If you want a device that sends and receives bluetooth the Shanling M0 is a 2-way implementation.
Should I be worried that I impulse buy things like this like it's a candy bar at the checkout line in the grocery store?
Does anyone know what DAC chip this has in it? I read here the USB chip is some 'sa9123' but what's the DAC? Same chip? I'm hoping it's the AKM4490, which they use in the XD-05 and other things... --- UPDATE: I finally found a site that lists the DAC - audiophonics.fr. They say it has the AK4452, which I believe. It is one of AKM's 'velvet sound' DACs, like the 4490. The AK4452 is the same DAC chip used in the SDAC, which sounds great to me.
So I'll snap this up and give it a try. Here's the summary copied from that site, which sums it all up quite well:
"The xDuoo XP-2 is a portable amplifier and DAC that can accompany you throughout your travels or even at home, to offer you the best of your music. This offers an AKM AK4452 conversion chip supporting sample rates up to 24bit 192kHz, Bluetooth 5.0 with aptX and a SA9123 USB interface."
trapnine
hi,yes it is AK4452
Quite decent specs for the price. I wonder what kind of parts they're using though. Anyone know what the sa9123 chip is? Can't find any info on it. Is it a custom chip?
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Well, I haven't fully put its through its paces, but so far so good! It has enough power, but on high gain it still taps out before I do on all my open cans, which vary in impedance (AKG K7XX, Senn HD58X, Monoprice m1060 (what should I get next?)). It does get to full, deep sound before doing so and I can't make it distort, so maybe they left some headroom for revB. Overall it's got enough power for sustained listening and doesn't get bogged down. But if it had any less power, I'd be disappointed. IIRC it's more powerful than the FiiO Q1 Mark II and much less than the XD-05.
It has a similar sound character to my SDAC, which I believe shares the same DAC chip and what I've been using to feed my Darkvoice 336se. I will definitely be spending more time with it, comparing the performance to my XD-05. It's feels about a third the volume and weight of that amp, and I'm loving the XP-2's small size and attractive design. I'm also looking forward to the longer battery life. We'll see.
The USB and analog work well - tested USB on a Mac and my Huawei Mate SE phone, and tested analog from the O2/SDAC's phone output. It was clean at various input and output volumes. But the real reason I bought it was the Bluetooth. Have only tested with my phone so far, and it sounds great. In BT mode it will blow away the amp in your phone, and that's really the point of the thing. And it won't use up your phone battery (it does seem like you can charge the XP-2 from your phone over USB (the charge light comes on) while listening over BT - that's a neat option if you need to charge it up in a pinch). I'm not a super critical listener, but if I really try I do think USB sounds a tiny, tiny bit better in the highs than BT mode. You really really have to pay attention - BT mode sounds plenty good to me for on-the-go use!
I DO think it's a great pocket amp option in BT mode, noting issue below. I always worry about USB pocket use wrecking the charging port of my phone, and it's just easier to use the phone without a wire coming out of it.
The XD-05 is still my favorite portable amp but it's just too big for pocket use. I also have an iFi Micro iDSD BL, but for whatever reason I just prefer the fun sound of the XD-05. And the micro is gigantic - I mostly use it for TV or the rare basshead moment when the XD-05 doesn't have enough power or I want the 3D effect. The iDSD has gobs of power.
One issue: The mode selector should be a SWITCH and not a cheap little easy-press button! The same type as the gain switch would have been perfect!! I've accidentally hit the mode button several times now just picking it up from my desk, and it changes it from BT to USB and kills your music and connection. Not looking forward to how easily that button will get pressed in-pocket! They armored the volume pot properly, but the mode button actually sticks out (!) and could become the Achilles heel of this thing's main use case!
I might have to fashion a shield for it if I really start using it on the go, or maybe I can make it harder to press somehow. The BT does reconnect very quickly, which is nice, but since there are 3 modes with a tiny hard to see LED indicator, it's not easy to put it back in the right mode (especially without looking). If it was just a physical 3-mode switch like on the XD-05 it'd be solid and usable in pocket and ya wouldn't need the indicator. And it'd remember your favorite mode every time you turned it on!
But as it is, it's workable and I'll be using it. It always starts in BT mode and it's just one click to get USB. And since the blue BT light is always on in BT mode, you can use that too (which is good, since as an R/G colorblind guy I can't really use that tiny color-based indicator anyway). One way to put it back in BT mode by feel is to just turn it off and back on again...
Oh, and I wouldn't kick a bass boost switch out of bed! :)
trapnine
Wow dude thanks for the in depth reply! Really looking forward to using this thing at my workspace at work and home. Good to know about the selector switch but I’m hoping this won’t be a major problem. stoked to hear that the Bluetooth is solid as well. Thanks again!
Something to toss around and watch tv with... my q5, my blueda, both amazing for their size and power. The q5 with am3b is a great sound but not much in the battery department. The BlueDAC sounds really great and I can run it for 3 days without a charge. Awesome battery. Mind you I use them because of the Bluetooth capability with my shure and sennheiser cans. The shures need a bit more power and really open up on the q5 with am3b. That said, I can’t wait to try this one out. If it can play the same sport as the BlueDAC or the q5, it will be a travel choice for me. Maybe even some tv time To keep from having to charge up my q5 everyday.
Does this send a Bluetooth signal to wireless headphones? Or does it only receive a Bluetooth signal from the source (e.g. PC or smartphone), and still need to be connected to wired headphones?
yfactorx
The latter.
How does this compare to the creative sound blaster g5? Besides Bluetooth lacking on g5 and microphone on this.
Shame there's no LDAC
If I'm reading the description right, this looks like it could be an inexpensive version of a FiiO Q5. That makes this a very interesting drop...
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When you say you swaped out the amp for the AM5 did you use the stock amp with a balanced cable or 3.5mm. The improvement you noted was it a warmer sound or related to more power?
Steve007
I used the 3.5mm only. I'm 90% deaf in my right ear with no ear canal. So I have no use for balanced music. The new amp gave me more bass pretty much. I need me some bass. It didn't seem to improve the warmness of the sound though.
Will these atdd gain to Bluetooth headphones?
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Got it!
Thank you for your clear answer! Makes perfect sense