Feb 4, 20172997 views

Side-Sleepers! Drop the Klymet Static V Junior?

I'm a Side-Sleeping, Long-Ass-Section Hiking, Gram-Weenie. I'd kill for a wide, short, high-loft, puncture-resistant, ultra-light sleeping pad! Wouldn't you?
Currently I use Exped's UL Synmat 7M. I love this pad. Its 2.8" loft keeps my bony hips off the ground, Its 20.5" width lets me go full fetal without hanging off the sides. Its side baffles are slightly larger, creating a cradle effect. At 72" long, I can stretch out fully on my back, but I rarely ever do that. An R-factor of 3.3 is good down to 25°. It's 16 ozs, which is certainly competitive for the specs, but a shorter version would help me pare a few ozs. They make a 64.2" short version, but for $104 dollars netting less than a 2oz weight reduction, I can't bring myself to push the button ...
I bought a short Thermarest NeoAir Xlight, and I hate it. It may be the classic UL solution for back-sleepers willing to improvise insulation under their feet and calves. But when sleeping on my side, it's so skinny I feel like I'm balancing on a rail with my knees and butt hanging off the sides all night.
As of this writing, the full-length Static V drop just ended. It's wider than my Exped, and pretty inexpensive, but at 16 ozs it offers me no weight reduction, and has a much lower r factor. Again, not enough benefit to get me to push the button.
On Klymet's site, I saw their Static V "Junior" version. Still 23" wide, but only 50.4" long, and 13 ozs! It's also still r 1.3 ... As a side sleeper, this could be perfect for fast and light trips, with temps above 35°. It lists for $45. For a 3 oz weight reduction, and a few more inches of width, it's almost a no-brainer!
Almost ... If we can get a good drop, it'd be even better ...
What do you think? Any other ideas for a high-loft, lightweight pad, that's wide enough to comfortably accommodate us side-sleepers?
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I use a Klymit pad supplemented with a closed cell foam pad and never went back, for the price alone it’s worth it, warm, comfy and durable, I’m a sidestomachback sleeper and I’m going to always carry closed cell foam with me just cause of the multiple uses it has
I'm also a side sleeper. I've always wanted to like the Klymit pads and have tried two different ones, with no joy. I always go back to my Exped or Big Agnes. Heavier, yes, but a good night's sleep is worth it.
I fall asleep on my back, sleep on my side, and wake up on my stomach. Static V Recon (Insulated): Dimensions, inflated: 72 x 23 x 2.5 in Static V Ultralight Long (Insulated) (Dark Green): Dimensions, inflated: 76 x 26 x 2.5 in I got the "long" for those extra 3" of width and it's night and day better. When on my back my elbows don't want to fall off onto the ground -- and on the narrower recon I feel like I'm about to roll off. Even a little wider like the Luxe wouldn't hurt (if the insulated one had a more subdued color I probably would have purchased one, but Klymit said there are no plans for one in green or recon) But... I don't need that length (I may brave it and try and trim / iron it but not sure I want to risk it just yet). I have no clue why they don't offer a short but wide pad that's insulated. I wish these were thicker though... I have to inflate them to the max to keep my hips off the ground. Like a pillow, they're not super comfortable when inflated to the max, but if I deflate it a little my hips / butt touches the ground. Make them 3.5" thick minimum, 4.5" would be better... and ideally the side air bubbles would be isolated with it's own valve, so you can inflate those "hard" to keep you on the pad and cradle you, then the center is thick and can be at a lower pressure to keep you off the ground and comfortable.
I will always recommend Big Agnes AXL insulated (or non insulated if you're going in warmer weather and don't need the warmth. It has a high loft and as a side sleeper, I like it way more than my thermarest.
MassDrop has a black short static V. I have the regular and the short is on it's way. I also have a junior and several other short Klymit pads but the static is thicker and therefore more comfortable. I'm 5'11" and so my knees are always uncomfortable so I started moving up on the pad and using my sit pad and pillow for my head.
I've never used klymet, but I'm personally a big fan of the Big Agnes AXL insulated as a side sleeper. I'm not a big person by any means, but I wasn't a fan of my first therm a rest because of rolling off the sides. I've really enjoyed the big agnes though. While they don't list an r value, it feel pretty warm to me.
Uh, could I have a TL;DR version of that?
I've got a Double V, and don't find it comfortable enough to use side sleeping. Not sure about side sleeping with any air-type mattress really.
Exactly! Need something wide - short - and insulated. For me at 5" 9" a 60" pad would be perfect. If they used the massdrop spec on the fabric it might be lighter than the junior even with insulation.
obxcola
Yep. I'm a woman, 5'4'', I certainely don't need the 72inches I have now. I would rather convert that into width in an insulated pad.
As a brand I like Klymit. They have great Customer service too. I'm also a side sleeper and I like the JR. My only complaint is that my knees and ankles tend to hang over and when I camp in Key West the hard coral of my campsite is uncomfortable. Klymit makes a number of other pads that might work with a lower loft but better inside your sleeping bag. I also like the Outdoorsman inflatable; it's cheap and light.
I would like to see a KLYMIT ULTRALIGHT V in a 26" wide X 72" long, in both insulated and non-insulated. Currently for short stocky(fat) people who need the width(20" vs 26") you have to get the LONG version 76". I have a regular Static V(23" width), and on my back one arm has to be off the pad. I recently changed to a mummy bag, so the taper shape of the MASSDROP versions is ideal for better fit inside the bag(yeah I do that) Not every hiker is skinny, or a side sleeper. COME ON , short stocky hikers UNITE! Thank You
Also a side sleeper, I use the Static V Luxe - I prefer the thicker(3 inch) loft and the extra width is also appreciated. It's so darned comfortable, it worth the extra weight and like sleeping on a cloud! All that, and it's STILL lighter then the 3/4 length self-inflating pads I've owned. What's not to like? The one minor "drawback" is the 76 inch length - this adds ounces and the leg support is not really needed for most summer camping. Now, if they'd just make a shorter UL version(HINT),
would love to see this junior in the ul variant. been considering buying one since my seat that i take with me is the one'ish foot square klymit pad, the junior combined with that seat would give me full length and have a seat too boot. edit: so im a side sleeper who pumps the klymits to high pressure and never have issues with bottoming out... i dont need to sleep in a pillow, just need to be up off the rocks and roots.
I have used almost every sleeping pad that Klymit has made - including a couple they never brought to market (and two of the pads they currently sell are based on my designs) - and as a side sleeper, almost none of the Klymit pads have been able to keep me from 'bottoming out', as we call it.
Until Klymit starts making pads up in the 3+ inch range, I suspect they are never going to resolve that issue.
I know that a lot of people look at the price tag of the Klymit's and are drawn to them for that. Especially new(ish) hikers that just do not want to drop the big bucks on a thicker/higher pad.
Likewise, I hear a lot from folks that are a bit, only way to put it, over weight (I use to be myself) and that makes being a side sleeper and bottoming out even worse, especially on thinner pads.
If you happen to be one of those 5'4 pencil stick guy of hiker, than yeah, these Klymit pads are going to be awesome, even as a side sleeper. For the rest of those/us, meh, difficult to say.
abela
Thanks for your feedback. By the end of a long hike I'm pencil thin. Not quite so much at the beginning ... My Exped UL SynMat 7M is 2.75" and I rarely bottom out on it. Even on hard shelter floors. I was hoping that would be the case with this Klymet at only .25" less loft ... The extra 3" width of this pad appealed to me for when I go full fetal.
And yes, the price is nice.
abela
I'm a 5'9 170lb male and a side sleeper when i can, I wish there was just a little more thickness in my hip and shoulder area. I dont know if that will ever happen though.
Yes. Consider the Klymit insulated full length pad ( Massdrop x Klymit Ultralight V Sleeping Pad/current drop) and cut it shorter for your needs.
SequoiaGhost
I thought about all that. The massdrop version is available in a short. It's insulated, but it's longer, skinnier and heavier. It's a great deal on a 4 season, insulated pad, but the extra 3" width on this version appeals to me as does the lower weight.
I own the static insulated V lite and purchased it for many of the same reasons you listed.  I used it on a 60 mile clip of the John Muir trail last September.  It weighs 16.9 oz.  I have tried 3/4 length sleeping pads and prefer the longer pads.  I train for and practice the light and fast philosophy but trade off the weight reduction with other gear and not my sleeping systems.  A good nights sleep is important to me especially when backpacking 10-15 miles a day over the course of a week or more.  The only complaint I have about my Klymet is that it is noisy when you move around.  I found the pad to be a tremendous value for the weight to cost ratio compared to the other sleeping pads I own (2 Thermarest).
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I too use an inflatable pillow that cradles my neck while supporting my head. One of the things that keep me coming back to the Static V Jr is the 23" width. My 20" wide Exped allows me to go fetal without my legs or butt hanging off, but just barely. I'm hoping the extra 3" width will provide better support and coverage against heat loss.
Hah, I have the same pillow. Love that thing. They should drop those.
I own a cut-down Klymit Static V and I'm a side sleeper. I've not had a good night's sleep on mine. Looking to sell it once I find a better option. I need more ground clearance since my hips and shoulders still get compacted on the ground.
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I'm a curvy dude with wide shoulders and hips. I don't pretend that there's an air mattress out there that will fix my problem. I still don't think the Klymit Static V Junior will help side sleepers. Better just to train yourself into becoming a back-sleeper.
Buttonpresser
Heh! Never going to teach this old dog THAT new trick!
Klymet has a sale going on. 25% off, but not on this product ...
I used a lot of torso / shorty pads in the 40-50" range and they were fine, for the time. But then air pads got so much lighter that the weight savings weren't worth the hassle of a short pad. So for the last few years I have only used full-length air pads.
Using a z-lite or Montbell UL 90, there wasn't much drop-off where the pad ended under my leg. A backpack or jacket was sufficient. But almost all air pads are 2-3" thick, and I would think the drop-off would be harder to manage. What do you do in this situation? I'm thinking of the Klymit Junior here @WJGhouse
DannyMilks
I rarely sleep on my back. Mostly fetal, sometimes with one leg extended, so the short pads pretty much allow me to have my whole body on the pad. That's why I'm attracted to this the Static V Jr.
When I used that short Thermarest Neoair Xlite, I'd occasionally put my inflatable pillow above the pad, and a stuff bag of cold wx clothing under my legs. That Xlite is 47" long, the Klymet is both a little longer at 50.4". Its 3" wider, and more rectangular than the narrowly tapered Xlite, so my butt and knees won't be hanging off the sides!
Had to go look at that Montbell! I have an REI self-inflatable about the same thickness. These days I enjoy the high loft pads that keep my old, bony hips off the ground!
There is an ongoing effort to produce Massdrop x Klymit Ultralight Sleeping Pads, using lighter materials, in various configurations:
https://www.massdrop.com/talk/303/massdrop-x-klymit-ultralight-sleeping-pads
The first ones were full length, a bit narrower, and tapered more than I'd like. One was insulated to r4.4. Weight was certainly competitive. There's a lot of discussion going on about lengths, widths and R factors of future models.
There's also videos on how to cut down existing pads ...
Ive been eying this mat now for a while to lighten my load a bit. I don't need a full length mat to be comfortable. I would like to see Klymit come out with an insulated version of this model.
CampCatskill
Yup. Tho it should be good to ~35°, which makes it good for late spring thru early fall in most of the US. I do struggle with the idea of using it on a northbound Long Trail end-to-end in September with the potential for cold nights at the end. But right now its looking pretty good.
Maybe I'll go sobo ...