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keyboard_arrow_downCloaca
1906
Oct 29, 2017
I was following one of these auctions, and I just got an email from Yahoo Auctions saying it's been canceled. Someone had bid it up to about $1,500. then poof, gone. There was a mention of the guidelines. I searched and all the Portuguese watch auctions, about a dozen, are gone. I guess Yahoo is on the ball.
WatchDoctor
847
Oct 28, 2017
Yahoo closed down its auction site many years ago. Which site are you referring to?
Cloaca
1906
Oct 28, 2017
WatchDoctorI live in Japan. Auctions.yahoo.co.jp is the Ebay of Japan. When word leaked that Ebay was planning to enter the Japanese market in the late 1990s Yahoo famously put a skunkworks team on the job of making an auction site in record time. They beat Ebay to market, EBay launched later, and quickly folded. The online auction business is winner take all. There are a couple of specialty auction sites for stuff Yahoo doesn't allow, like samurai swords, but otherwise Yahoo Auctions is a monopoly.
Cloaca
1906
Oct 27, 2017
I just did another search on "porutogiize," and there seems to be more than a dozen up for auction, most at $50 to $300 now, but one guy has set a minimum of about $3,500, and a pawn shop has one up with a current bid of nearly $3,000. I'm not sure I'd trust a pawn shop to tell a good fake from a real one, but one thing is sure: for some reason these are really popular watches in Japan.
Vintage1982Benz
7977
Oct 26, 2017
Counterfeit watches are big business. I've read stories of knowledgeable people not realizing they were fake until their stainless steel starts to peel a few months in revealing it is chrome over brass and the plating starts to peel off.
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
If it sounds too good to be true it probably is.
PetrosD
3702
Oct 26, 2017
Your skepticism is warranted. I doubt either of them are real. And apparently Seikos are also counterfeited from what I've read. While they may not be nickels, they aren't $20 bills. I recently saw an article comparing a real and a fake Breitling Superocean Heritage, and I couldn't tell the difference even when they said how you could tell.
Cloaca
1906
Oct 28, 2017
PetrosDI was looking for a spring bar tool just now. On a page for a Bergeon tool all the comments were that it was counterfeit and broke right away. Good grief! Fake spring bar tools? Can you have faith in anything anymore!
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So I read the descriptions. One is a Little Old Lady from Pasadena story about buying the watch a couple of years ago from a famous Ginza jeweler (which is named, as well as the date of purchase). The watch was a gift for a family member, but was just too darned heavy and wasn't worn. She took it and had an extra hole punched in the band and wore it a bit, but now wants to sell it.
The other seller is a gentleman who bought it a couple of years ago from a famous Shibuya jeweler, also named. He loves it, but dang, he needs money for a new business venture. His photos are also just blurry enough to not see the watch as clearly as you'd like.
Each posting has the box, warranty, manual, etc. pictured. The stuff seems complete and legit looking, but each is different, with the documents being different in size, wording, etc. One had a document from the jewelery shop. So maybe it's not fake? Maybe it's an even more sophisticated con? They bought one or two real ones for the photos but ship you the fakes?
The auctions are from two different accounts, with no feedback. And the two auctions were posted 13 seconds apart. Very suspicious, except how do you even do that unless you have two windows open at the same time? And why wouldn't you stagger the auctions to avoid their being simultaneous?
At any rate, I've learned that it's probably a good idea to avoid buying watches at auction that are in demand or famous or expensive. Twenty dollar bills are counterfeited, but nobody counterfeits a nickle.