Jul 27, 20164354 views

Massdrop x Klymit Ultralight Sleeping Pads

As last winter was fading away, my conversation with Klymit was just starting to heat up. We wanted to create a sleeping pad that would be comfortable, light, and most importantly, designed with the ultralighter in mind.
True, there are plenty of ultralight pads on the market, but they were designed to appeal to the consumer at the point of purchase. Why do you think most pads come in a rainbow of bright colors? That's a marketing decision. No, we wanted something that would blend into the natural environment, so you can stealth camp a bit easier. We wanted darker colors that would dry faster in the sun, because you're more likely using a tarp, bivy or tarptent and you might have a little condensation in the morning. That's cool - we got you covered. We avoided noisy or shiny fabric or big logos (and truth be told, next time around we'll probably make the logos even smaller). We wanted to make the best pad for your wilderness adventure, not the display stand at REI.
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To achieve the low weight, we searched high and low for a light but sufficiently durable fabric, with the caveat that it had to feel relatively nice and it could not be noisy (cough cough NeoAir, cough). We found a great 20d nylon that's more durable than any 30d we tested, and it was not at all plasticky. It has the softest hand of any pad I've ever used.
Going light doesn't need to mean being uncomfortable, at least not any more. Like many here, I've experimented with a silly number of sleeping pad configurations over the last 15 years, often using my pack and extra clothing to augment my pad, usually making adjustments throughout the night. However, in talking with a number of you, we all came to the same conclusion that a simpler setup is now more preferred to a slightly lighter, but more finicky, setup. We decided to make the pad full length (72") so you don't have to bother with uncomfortable legs, and sized to be comfortable at 20" wide and a luxurious 2.5" thick. The pad tapers to 17" at the bottom to save a bit of weight, which still provides plenty of surface area for your feet. We also made sure the air valve sticks out to the side, not up like it does on some Klymit pads, so you don't feel it under your right shoulder. Finally, utilizing Klymit's patented "V" pattern eliminated the drawbacks of vertical air chambers.
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After months of development, we are thrilled to finally present the results of our combined community efforts:
  • Static V Ultra Light - 11.9 oz, 1.3 R-value, in stealth green top with dark charcoal bottom
  • Insulated Static V Ultra Light - 16.9 oz, 4.4 R-value, in dark charcoal top and bottom
  • Pillow X Ultra Light - 1.7 oz, in stealth green
These products are exclusively on Massdrop. The first drop was August 2016 and the next one will be in November. Be sure to visit the drop page to request the pad and read the Specs: https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-klymit-static-v-ultralight
Be sure to check out the reviews of the Static V Ultra Light:
Will Rietveld: http://ultralightinsights.blogspot.com/2016/07/gear-review-klymitmassdrop-static-v.html
John Abela: https://hikelighter.com/2016/07/27/massdrop-klymit-static-v-ultra-light/
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How do I get one of these?
When do we get the Insulated Static V ultralight pads again ? I want this so badly!
karthik3685
Maybe tomorrow.
Wow! Did not see this when I posted a request to drop the the Klymet Static V Junior.
I started section hiking the AT with an Exped UL Synmat 7M. A a 72 x 20.5 rectangle with r3.3, 2.8” loft, weighing (ugh) 16.9oz. The r factor has been perfect for three season backpacking. I'm a side sleeper and that 3" loft was great. the side baffles are a tad higher than the others, creating a cradle effect.
I love it, but I didn't need the length, and am always looking for ways to reduce weight between sections. I bit the bullet and bought a short neoair xlite. God I hate that pad! With that skinny tapered form, there's just no way to get in a fetal position without feeling like I'm constantly trying to maintain my balance.
So I went back to my Exped for my last few sections. I'm leaving in Sept for an LT E2E, and would love to pare several more ounces off my pack.
I like to consider dollars per ounce of weight reduction when replacing gear for weight reduction. I've come to the conclusion that $25/oz is pretty normal, and anything made of cf is $50/oz. Exped makes some lighter, shorter, 2.5" pads in the 13oz range, but at $45/oz!
So I see the Klymet Static V Junior with a 23" width, 50.4" length, and 2.5" loft, at 13 oz, with a design that cradles the sleeper, and I think I've found the perfect summer pad for side sleepers. And at only $11.50/oz weight reduction!
Now, I hear you talking about making a shorter version of this pad, and I am tuned in! Perhaps getting it down to 11-12 ozs? I'd prefer it to be shaped like the current Jr. More rectangular than tapered ...
Keep rockin' L.Dog
WJGhouse
I like the JR but at 5'11" it's a little short and my knees take a beating so I supplement with my pack to slightly elevate my feet and my sit pad so I can cushion my knees by shifting up or down on the JR.
Hello Danny, As a product designer (and outdoor guy) myself, I am really happy to see someone in the position you are with Massdrop and Klymit. With the somewhat guaranteed sales model of Massdrop it really makes the R&D of these products more feasible, great win-win. Good on you! On to my two cents: If you are working with Klymit on improvements to new products, a great place to start would be their new "hammock" pad. As a "whenever I can" hammock guy, I can tell you that this is a growing market that is ripe for a good solution. There are a few things that would need to be changed from their current offering that would be huge improvements and fundamentally better for hammock specific use (and good for ground as well). This has been discussed on the hammock forums a few times actually. I would be happy to start a discussion with you on what I have read and few ideas that I have been kicking around myself. Let me know if you think Klymit would be open to the feedback and maybe a massdrop exclusive product for the hangers out there. Best regards, -Wayne
WayneV
Thanks Wayne for the kind words. After we figure out the long and short pads, we will certainly consider a hammock pad as well as a couples pad. both styles seem to be getting a lot of interest. This is a really fun project for me because I get to talk with a lot of wonderful people to make it happen. So thank you for adding to that.
I received one in August. Tried it, compared to my thermorest and didn't like it. Main reason was when turning, my elbows and hip bones would hit the floor. The next morning I noticed that it had lost air. I notified ally it and they said to mail it back for a refund. No refund came. Notified them again and they claimed it never arrived. I couldn't prove I mailed it, but after further discussion, they agreed to refund. The refund must have been lost in the mail as well, never received it. Purchase price + shipping twice, and no product. Buyer beware.
AT13
Man, that stinks that you didn't keep your mailing receipt....what's a manufacturer to do in that case? Even if you don't use tracking/insurance through USPS they still give you a mailing receipt that at least shows you paid the postage and handed it off to them. With air up pads like this, if there's a leak it'll usually go totally flat unless you're lucky...more often it's just that your warm breath that filled the pad cools to ambient temperature and compresses/loses volume as the night cools further. Usually topping off the pad before you sack in will keep it from losing its plump through the night.
AT13
I agree, I should have kept the receipt. As far as temperature drop, it was in my house. It did go flat.
Having now used my UL pad noninsulated on several occasions, I was surprised to find that the narrowness wasn't that much of a problem. Those who want wider UL pads should keep in mind that widening increases the weight.
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rmeurant
It's really pretty minimal. Adding 5" width to the full length 72" pad yields about 360 s.i. of extra fabric (not accounting for baffle welding). There are 1296 s.i. in a sq/yd of fabric and let's call that 1oz/syd for convenience. So around a quarter ounce, or a half ounce to be generous & conservative? If you take that 25" pad and whack off 12 inches you lose 240 s.i. and for all intents and purposes achieve the same weight as the 20x72 (about 60 s.i difference, negligible), but now have a 25x60 that accommodates elbows and side sleepers better, most of the time. And 60" is considered pretty long by UL-mindset standards. With wispy UL fabrics such as used here and only a tiny bit of adhesive weight to consider, or a little insulation weight as applicable, we're just talking very small weight differences...not like the much more appreciable differences, say, in a foam self-inflating pad.
Stepbystep
How would adding .5" of loft affect overall weight? My Exped Synmat at 2.8" is just enough to keep my boney, side sleeping hips off the ground.
L Dog
The pad works great. Way smaller to pack than my old ThermaRest, and way lighter too. I haven't tried the pillow, I use my clothes bag for a pillow (ZPacks Medium Pillow Dry Bag)
mjohnse4
Thanks for posting @mjohnse4 . Do you have any photos of the pad out on a backpacking trip?
DannyMilks
Not yet. Its longer than I thought it would be as well (at 72 inches). The packed size is great (3"x8"), smaller than a normal Nalgene
I would stick with the current r value. It's pretty light already and would work for most in all conditions but real winter. The 27x76" size sounds perfect.
I like my pillow on the pad. Being 6'3" I would appreciate a bit more than 72". 78" would be a bit much, some happy medium. Currently using an Exped UL7 LW. 27" width would be totally acceptable. I bet those who actually sleep two in a two person tent are probably happy with the 20" width. I have noticed at the GGGs that a solid 25% if not 30% are over 6'.
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Also, thank you for doing this. Exciting project to watch, incredible great new product and wow did you ever think so many would sell right away like they did!
If taking it down to 3 season use would result in significant weight savings, I'd think that would be right for most everyone. A 25"x50"x3" insulated to r3 or so? 13 ozs? That'd be my fall LT E2E pad fer sure!
L.Dog
How about a wide version?
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We're definitely looking at making a wide version. I don't know if we'd go all the way to 30", as there seems to be the most demand for 25", but maybe we can go with 27". Keep it at 72" long though @BattleRattle and @JerkyKen?
DannyMilks
Go to 27! 25in isn't wide enough. Plus there are plenty of 25in pads. Differentiate by going just a bit wider. Thanks
Wish I had held out on the Klymit pillow from last month!
I've read reports that when the ground is cold, the pressure in the pad drops and you lose the effective cushioning of the pad. I'm thinking about taking a closed-cell pad for insulation on the Wonderland Trail in early August this year.
oneyum
That happens with most inflatable pads but it's not usually bad. Air up the pad before bedtime and top it off when you go to sleep if you need to. That gives your warm breath time to cool and compress and equalize to ambient temperatures. Shouldn't need to do that during the night unless you have a slow leak.
uDaManDan!
Is there any/much interest in having a video/photos showing resizing (shortening) the length of one of these Static V Ultra Light sleeping pads?
Been considering cutting mine down to the 48" length, and had somebody ask if I would document/video the process. Willing to do that, but just wondering if anybody out there cares about seeing that done (??)
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Well I definitely feel teased. I hope we can go farther on our second date.
Stepbystep
I decided instead of cutting a straight line, to cut along the current factor heat seams.
Turns out it made for an interesting built-in-pillow. Check out the photo I attached. Doing it in this way means I only have to seal 2 small sections that are two inches, and one 5 inch section on the very bottom. It obviously adds a tiny bit of weight by not cutting it in a straight line, but hey, I can always whack it off later if I do not like it, eh!
Anyway, everything for the final video is ready except for the resealing and testing... but sadly my iron seems to not want to work, so I just placed an order on amazon for a new one, some cheap POS one, given I rarely use an iron, but anyway, it should be here on Friday, so I will get the final two steps of the video finished up friday night or saturday, and should have the completed video uploaded on youtube saturday night or early sunday (hopefully). I will post the video here when it is uploaded, or you can just keep an eye on my youtube chanel at https://www.youtube.com/user/HikeLighter/videos
It was do this small project or go to the Summer OR in SLC... tough choice... this won out :-D
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I took a video of the Static V Ultra Light on my last trip out, but forgot to attach it to my article/review (have done so now) but here it is for anybody interested in a (very) short video showing the pad.
The pad is sitting amongst some Redwood Sorrel, my absolute favorite plant here in the Redwoods of Northern California.
I recently bought a tent (I mostly hammock camp) and I have been holding off buying a sleeping pad, looking for the right one. $50 and ultralight definitely has my interest.
chrise524
That's our goal @chrise524
$50 for the uninsulated, $60 for the insulated @raptelan
Congrats Danny on joint-developing these products.
rmeurant
Thanks @rmeurant - there are more products in the pipeline :)
DannyMilks
Hopefully one of them is a long/wide version of this!
Will the pillow be available as a separate drop? Pretty please.
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you got it @rmeurant!
DannyMilks
This sounds like a great product. If only they would ship. I ordered in February 2017. Here it is the end of June with no shipment date in sight.