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kid1
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Sep 5, 2018
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Mines an old hp 15 inch laptop... I want to build a desktop but I'm not sure what parts I can skimp on or get used in order to keep a budget.
Sep 5, 2018
Allforhonor
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Sep 12, 2018
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kid1Have you gotten any replies to this? Unfortunately any meaningful answer will require more information.
1. What's your $ limit 2. Do you have salvageable parts like an old case or do you already own a keyboard, mouse, and monitor 3. Do you care about aesthetics or is going pure bang for your buck the goal?
There's more I'm sure but answering those will get you a lot more feedback.
Sep 12, 2018
CykaChu
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Sep 12, 2018
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kid1One thing is for cetrain, never EVER under any circumstances skimp on a power supply. always buy name brand because when a power supply fails, it usually takes other parts with it. Another reccomendation i have is to only go for 8 gigs of ram and be ready to upgrade later. Since the gtx 20 series just came out the 10 series should be dropping in price soon. as for the processor, you should get one with a stock cooler to save ~50 bucks on an after-market one. personally i think the stock coolers for ryzen are amazing. the motherboard doesn't matter, as long as you have the right socket and chipset(there are multiple chipsets for each platform i would reccomend getting a motherboard with a chipset that lets you overclock)
Sep 12, 2018
kid1
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Sep 13, 2018
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AllforhonorGot one so far. I don't have a solid price point yet. I'm hoping to build a good base computer and then follow up by upgrading. I have a case and I have most peripherals but I need a monitor.
Sep 13, 2018
Jamz
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kid1AMD Ryzen processors will support the same socket until 2020, which is nice because if you're on a tight budget you won't need a mobo upgrade if you want to upgrade your CPU. 8GB+ of RAM should do you good, if you're on a modern CPU that'll need to be DDR4, which is pricey.
As @CykaChu said, never skimp on the power supply, name brands such as EVGA are they way to go.
Usually people say about 1/3 of your budget should go towards your graphics card in a gaming system. It probably matters the most out of anything.
If you can afford a smaller SSD in addition to a hard drive, go ahead, but don't just get a tiny SSD, you'll regret it. A nice setup is a 120gb SSD for your OS and any small startup programs with a 1TB hard drive for games, etc. Don't skimp on your storage either, data tends to be important.
As far as a monitor goes, 1080p with 60Hz and anything at or below a 5ms response time should be fine for anything entry level.
Sep 15, 2018
kid1
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JamzAre amd ryzens better than Intel? Will Intel be likely to keep the same socket too?
Sep 15, 2018
Jamz
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kid1There really isn't an easy answer to is it "better", in my opinion AMD has better price to performance at this minute, and Intel has been dishing out new sockets with almost every new generation it feels like.
Sep 15, 2018
kid1
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JamzSo then what about graphics cards? And do amd processors have issues more than Intel?
Sep 15, 2018
Jamz
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kid1Not in my experience. As far as graphics cards go, you could look into a GTX 1060/1070 or a RX 580 for 1080p gaming if you can afford one.
Sep 15, 2018
kid1
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Sep 17, 2018
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JamzI might start out a little lower on the ladder than that atm for budget concerns. My plan would be to build a computer that could easily be upgraded. Is it worth it to buy a used graphics card?
Sep 17, 2018
Jamz
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kid1Of course, used cards are always a great place to start out.
However, just be careful, especially with these particular "mid range" types of cards, they were often used for crypto mining, and as many have since stopped cryptocurrency mining as it doesn't seem to be as profitable as it once was, they're selling cards that were used for this. If a card has been used for mining in the past, it has probably been under heavy load at high temperatures for most of its life time.
In other words, make sure you buy one from a single person, NOT selling 20+ of the same card as "used".
For example, this seems like a good card: https://www.ebay.com/itm/Radeon-Sapphire-NITRO-RX480-8GB-DDR5-RAM-OC/292725207542?hash=item4427c831f6%3Ag%3Ag8UAAOSw9PNbmdFG&LH_Auction=1
Sep 17, 2018
kid1
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Sep 17, 2018
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JamzInteresting stuff. Thank you for the added information too. I've heard a couple of times that amd graphics cards have a lot of issue though. Is that just bullcrap or is it a legitimate thing?
Sep 17, 2018
Jamz
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kid1From my person experience (I've had a R9 290x and now have a RX 480) mid range cards from AMD tend to offer great value, and I've had no issues personally.
Although for higher end cards, nvidia seems to be better for gaming. If you prefer nvidia for any reason, the 1070 is great for high setting 1080p gaming.
Sep 17, 2018
kid1
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JamzVery interesting. I assume the amd cards have a better pricing as well?
Sep 17, 2018
Jamz
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kid1Yes, AMD cards usually have lower prices.
Sep 17, 2018
kid1
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Sep 17, 2018
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JamzThat's extremely interesting. Thanks. I think you've just drastically changed my initial build.
Sep 17, 2018
Jamz
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kid1I would also recommend pcpartpicker.com for picking out everything.
Send me your link if you have the time.
Sep 17, 2018
kid1
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JamzYou mean my link to a pc built on the site? Ok. I can do that
Sep 17, 2018
Maxp
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Sep 20, 2018
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JamzCool gadgets
Sep 20, 2018
Rhoadley
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Oct 6, 2018
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JamzActually I built a rig with only 120gb ssd and fount I outgrew it quite quickly. I moved all of my user files into one of the 3 1tb HD’s included with the system and never installed any 3rd programs on the disc but still ran out of space. Ended up upgrading to a 1tb ssd with the same 3rd restrictions as before. One mistake I did make was installing the graphics drivers on the primary ssd. If I had it to Dover I would put them on a standard hd.
Oct 6, 2018
Jamz
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RhoadleyIt depends what you can pay for, 120gb should be fine if you don't install anything on there.
Oct 6, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Can't wait to see your build!
Oct 6, 2018
kid1
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JamzSo then what would you put on there? I thought the point of the ssd was to install programs so they load faster. Or was that just for the operating system?
Oct 6, 2018
kid1
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redblade93Agreed. I need to start saving up more
Oct 6, 2018
Jamz
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kid1I meant anything but OS, if you start to install programs on there, a 120 or even 240 gigabyte storage device will fill up super quickly.
Oct 6, 2018
kid1
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JamzDo you have any thoughts on a Seagate firecuda? I've got one that's like a terabyte or two. So you'd just put the is onto the ssd. That makes sense. Could get a separate ssd later for other programs depending on my demand
Oct 6, 2018
Jamz
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kid1Yeah of course that would work perfectly fine, its just nice to have a SSD to put your OS on as it greatly improves boot times. Completely up to you though.
Oct 6, 2018
kid1
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JamzIt would probably also be a good idea to have a back up drive with a copy of the os
Oct 7, 2018
doom2024
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Oct 15, 2018
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kid1I never buy used you have no idea what kind of punishment anything has been put through or what has bandaids so if you buy used be wary. Your best to shop 2 generations old you can get decent builds with good budget
Oct 15, 2018
kid1
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doom2024Even stuff like ram where the only real reason to replace it is for an upgrade?
Oct 15, 2018
doom2024
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kid1I would say if you're trying to save money on a budget refurbished is not bad but ram you can still end up with bad ram. some people enjoy overclocking ram and other parts which can cause a lot of stress but if you can get used ram for 25percent too like 35 percent of price compared to brand new it might be worth. just try to stay away from Ebay and if you try Ebay just remember if the price seems too good it might be BS. give linus a view on YouTube he's one of the best sources I have found over the years for tech.
Oct 15, 2018
kid1
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Oct 16, 2018
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doom2024What about refurbished motherboards?
Oct 16, 2018
redblade93
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Nov 2, 2018
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kid1In response to others saying stay away from eBay... That is BS. eBay has a money back guarantee on most items, and it will show it on the posting if it has it. I have used it and it works. It's a pain in the ass, but it works. Also, almost NO one manually over clocks ram, especially since they come with XMP profiles. Also, most mining cards that are used are better or equivalent to cards used for gaming. One way you can also game the system is by getting one of the 1070tis (the msi titanium in particular) because it was only released like 10 months ago or so. This is much earlier than the 2+ years for the rest of Pascal cards, and means it has only been in use for a short amount of time. Usually, referbished stuff is sold only at a small discount, and you can buy NEW at the same price if you just wait for a good sale (ie Black Friday coming up).
Nov 2, 2018
kid1
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Nov 3, 2018
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redblade93so how about this for a thought. would it be advisable to get a cheap desktop (like an HP or something that's on clearance) and then just upgrade the RAM and the graphics card for starters? is there any serious issues with that type of approach?
Nov 3, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Well, there are some things to be aware of: 1) compontents the come with the pc might be proprietary. Motherboards, CPU coolers, cases, might not be able to be switched out. The motherboard may not have 4 ram slots. The case might only allow very low profile coolers. The case may not allow full size gpus. Etc. 2) psu might be of low quality or underpowered for future upgrades. 3) building you own allows you to get exactly what you want, and most people find it enjoyable, and sometimes price is comparable. If you get a higher end prebuilt, you probably won't run into as many of these problems, but then you lose a lot of the value proposition
Nov 3, 2018
kid1
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redblade93my hope was that id be able to get a passable pc without breaking the bank. the computers I was looking at are HP desktops that are on clearance. one wwas a kit with a monitoe and everything and the other I believe was just a tower and they were in the 300 to 400 dollar range. i have been trying to out together a pc but so far theyre all pretty pricey.
Nov 3, 2018
redblade93
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kid1At the very least, don't get a "slim" model and you should be fine for the most part. What graphics card were you thinking of getting?
Nov 3, 2018
kid1
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redblade93Definitely not a slim. I'm thinking about getting a Radeon of some kind. I'd probably want something comparable to a gtx 1070 or something. I'm OK with going cheap as long as it'll upgrade fairly well
Nov 3, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Keep us updated!
Nov 3, 2018
kid1
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redblade93Oh shit. I think I've unintentionally made a commitment. Lol. I will definitely do it. Although I can't promise it'll be quick.
Nov 3, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Hey man, hate to say it, but that PC isn't that great of a deal compared to building it yourself. Especially on the RAM, GPU and storage options, it isn't very good. :( Some things that I notice: the motherboard is proprietary or at least Micro ATX so that limits your options. The 500w PSU is necessary, and that makes it so you can't get the base model. There is no way to switch power supplies in this model. Do NOT for the love of Pete, get the 1080 version. Wayyyy overpriced. A SATA SSD is basically the same speed as an nvme drive in "real life" usage, so those options are limited as well. The 16gb model is overpriced. In addition, the warranty isn't good. Here's a parts list that would get you more for less money: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/redblade93/saved/cMKqkL
Nov 12, 2018
redblade93
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redblade93https://pcpartpicker.com/user/redblade93/saved/pTyZRB Or this one. I dropped the CPU cooler, reduced the storage to 480gb, brought it down to a RX 580 8gb and added a 75hz 1080 monitor. Also, the PSU is cheaper at the time of this writing
Nov 12, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Also, the Ryzen R5 1600 is $130, that drops the price even more.
Nov 12, 2018
kid1
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Nov 13, 2018
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redblade93well apparently that can help answer that. lol. do you know of any cases that look like that? also is it possible to get usb c ports?
Nov 13, 2018
kid1
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Nov 13, 2018
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redblade93im quite fond of the second build. especially when that takes the monitor into account too. might have to hijack the wife's keyboard for a bit till I can get one. would you mind taking me through the process you went through for putting that rig together? id like to get an idea of how to do that so I can do it in the future when upgrade time comes
Nov 13, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Hmmmm. It is a pretty unique case. There are cases with a brushed aluminum look. Fractal Design makes several like the Define C: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/rPPzK8/fractal-design-define-c-tg-atx-mid-tower-case-fd-ca-def-c-bk-tg Phanteks and Metallic Gear make sandblasted aluminum cases, which look really good. Some cases are coming with usb-C, but its still pretty rare. Why do you need usb-c?
Nov 13, 2018
redblade93
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kid1There's also this motherboard that would save you almost $40. https://pcpartpicker.com/product/c2DzK8/msi-b350-pc-mate-atx-am4-motherboard-b350-pc-mate You could forgo the CPU cooler and save another 30, (if you were going to get the cpu cooler, get the white version ;)) Hmmmm. The process? Let me write you a novel for just choosing gaming components.
  1. PSU: I look for a PSU that is modular, has along warranty and is at least GOLD rated. If you get one less than GOLD rated, it is a POS - avoid at all costs. EVGA is really well known, but I prefer Seasonic. Seasonic has longer warranties and better aesthetics. Don't be tempted to skimp on this part - even if you pay $100 instead of $50, this is the most "future proof"-able part of your build. Most budget builds put in 500 Watt or 550w, but again, its not a big deal to spend $20 and get a 650w that is sure to last you.
  2. Graphics card and CPU: Most people spend about 1/3 of the cost on the GPU. This depends on what resolution, refresh rate, and games you play. If you're curious, look at benchmarks from Hardware Unboxed youtube channel or benchmarks for your specific game. There are plenty of videos on what graphics card you should get. My caveats to the recommendations are:
  3. If you are playing older games, you can get away with much better frame rates than are advertised.
  4. Most benchmarks are played at Ultra settings, when High settings look almost identical
  5. Graphics card prices are very volatile. Often times, recommendations in videos and such are based on prices at the time of filming, not what's going on right now. For example, GTX 1070s used to be value kings, but now GTX 1070tis are roughly the same price, which makes them a better deal.
  6. Don't try to future proof your GPU or CPU. They will become obsolete eventually. Just buy a balanced system. Especially with the prices now, it is hard to go wrong.
  7. Ryzen is a better deal hands-down. The R5 2600 is basically a i5-8400, but it has double the threads and is great in multi-threaded workloads. The 8400 is hard to find, and is more expensive. The R5 1600 is also cheaper than the 2600. It has less performance, but here another advantage of Ryzen comes in: the AM4 socket. The R5 1600 has less performance, but it won't really bottleneck your system if you build it balanced. The AM4 socket will be around till 2020, which is past the next big processor change for AMD. It looks like it could be a huge performance uplift. This means that you could keep your motherboard and RAM even when you have to upgrade to the next processor.
  8. Monitor: this is really really tough to explain. There are so many specs you just have to decide what resolution and frame rate you want and research every budget option in sight. If you want G-Sync, add 100-200 bucks on the prices below. Here are the general resolutions and frame rates that most people go for:
  9. 1080p 60Hz 24": good budget option, $80. Doesn't require much from CPU or GPU. 75Hz should be noticeably smoother.
  10. 1080p 144Hz 24": wayyy smoother experience, but ~$180-250.
  11. 1440p 60Hz 27": really solid option. This resolution only requires a mid-range GPU and will still only run you about $200.
  12. 1440p 144Hz 27": solid as well. if you graphics card can put out 120+ frames at the game's graphics settings, you shouldn't really notice any tearing, so adaptive sync isn't necessary. If you end up in the 60-90FPS range, you will want adaptive sync. ~$310-500ish
  13. 4k 60 FPS: This costs a bunch, don't do this.
  14. Motherboard: make sure you have the right socket for your CPU. ATX motherboards are the most common and aren't much more expensive than other sizes, so usually the recommendation is to get ATX even if you don't need the extra slots. If you like aesthetics, go for that. I have found that ASUS is almost always overpriced. I like MSI - usually they are the cheapest but are still solid. Don't be scared by customer reviews that say something about memory (RAM), as these are fixed now. I'm only going to talk about AMD chipsets since intel sucks as a value proposition these days. Here ya go:
  15. B350: the original budget option for 1st gen Ryzen, basically gives you everything you need (including overclocking) with some less features (less sata ports, m.2 slots, etc). Typically lower quality, but not in a way that really matters AFAIK
  16. X370: B350 with more features and often more aesthetically pleasing. Should, in theory get you better overclocks. Some are really really cheap now, like the Gaming Pro Carbon
  17. B450: an X470 board with less sata ports and minor features. Same power delivery and everything. A little over-priced perhaps, but solid.
  18. X470: probably slightly better quality than a B450. The B450 however has basically made the X470 unnecessary, as it has all the fundamental features. You'll have to compare board-to-board. X470 has better aesthetics and more sata ports and more RGB headers, but no other real noteworthy differences.
  19. TLDR: get a B350, B450 or X370 based on price, and appearance. Make sure it has enough RGB headers and sata ports for your machine.
  20. Storage: lots of games these days are HUGE (80 GB or more). I cannot stand hard drives. SSDs will decrease your boot times, times to open programs and load levels in games. No-brainer. I also cannot stand having my stuff spread out over multiple drives. Therefore, I recommend a 1 TB Sata SSD. They are about the same price per GB as the smaller drives. Choose a reputable company like WD, Adata, Samsung, etc and you should be good. You can double check reviews online, but unless you get a really crappy AND low - capacity drive, you will have the same experience. M.2 drives are overpriced and the experience is going to be roughly the same as the SATA SSDs.
  21. Case: Make sure your cpu cooler, motherboard and gpu can fit. Other than that, get something with the aesthetics that you like. Most people like PSU shrouds so you don't see the power supply. Here are some of my recommendations:
  22. Metallic gear cases: look great, aluminum, and around $100
  23. Phanteks Eclipse series
  24. Phanteks Enthoo Pro TG or Enthoo Pro M TG
  25. Fractal Design Define C or Meshify C
  26. Lian Li PC-011 Dynamic
  27. Those are really good quality companies, so most cases from them should be pretty good.
Does this answer your question?
Nov 13, 2018
Woll
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Nov 15, 2018
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kid1I would normally buy cheaper cases, psu, motherboard and maybe the cheapest well reviewed GPU of whatever chip-set category, but it is best to really be careful with your choice of cpu, ram and cooling as these are biggest performance affecters. :)
Nov 15, 2018
kid1
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Nov 16, 2018
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WollI was expecting gpu to be more important tbh
Nov 16, 2018
kid1
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Nov 16, 2018
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redblade93Yeah that definitely does. Probably gonna have to read that a few more times to get it all though. Thank you very much. I'm pretty sure I'll be going with the second build you posted.
Nov 16, 2018
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kid1Post picks when you're done and let us know if you have any more questions at all. Send pics when you're done too! I'm excited for you! The deals are happening now so it's a perfect time to buy. If you're not ready yet, the after Xmas sales can be pretty good too.
Nov 16, 2018
kid1
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redblade93I've been stashing cash for a good couple of years now and got a nice boost so I should be able to get most of it at least.
Nov 16, 2018
kid1
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redblade93Does the motherboard have a decent onboard graphics setup? I'm curious so I know what to prioritize
Nov 16, 2018
redblade93
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kid1It's the CPU that is responsible for integrated graphics. While the motherboard supports CPUs with integrated graphics, this CPU does not have integrated graphics. Integrated graphics will not give you a good gaming experience, even at 1080p. What is your budget?
Nov 16, 2018
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Nov 16, 2018
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redblade93I can justify gathering 800 in one shot currently.
Nov 16, 2018
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Nov 17, 2018
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kid1Well, i mean choose your model (eg i have a 1060 6gb and its great) and find the cheapest of that model (eg, the cheapest 1060 6gb).
Nov 17, 2018
redblade93
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kid1Currently, you'd be spending 840 with the build above. However, it seems the monitor is impossible to find, at least at that price. Let me find you another one. Do you have speakers or a pair of headphones? If not, we'll need to get you a monitor with speakers. Go onto Newegg.com and create an account. From there, sign up for the email promo codes. They'll send you deals every day, and some of them can be pretty huge. Monitors are probably going to have significant deals during black Friday and cyber Monday. Maybe, just maybe, we could save you those $40. If not, the next option is to go from an RX 580 8gb to a RX 580 4gb or RX 570. Doing so might get you below 60 FPS at max settings at 1080p :/ Also, the PSU has jumped up in price. So you should get a different one. Here's a revised parts list. I left the monitor off, and you have $105 left to spend on that. Let me know if you need speakers or not, and we can go from there.
Nov 17, 2018
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kid1
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redblade93Speakers are not an issue. Especially if the computer can do toslink
Nov 17, 2018
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Nov 18, 2018
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kid1There are no TOSLINK connectors on the computer. Most motherboards have the 5x 3.5mm audio jacks, but no TOSLINK. I don't know much about TOSLINK, but I'm assuming there are adapters out there for TOSLINK to 3.5mm?
Nov 18, 2018
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redblade93Actually I've got a USB soundcard that'll do toslink I'm pretty sure
Nov 18, 2018
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Nov 19, 2018
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kid1Awesome man. Sounds like you are all set to purchase the goods! Sales are going on right now so it's a great time to buy. Do you need anything else from me?
Nov 19, 2018
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Nov 23, 2018
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redblade93I can't think of anything. Any suggestion for a monitor might be nice. Probably getting this computer in bits and pieces but hopefully I'll be able to get it done in a month or three if I get on it.
Nov 23, 2018
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kid1Okay. I'll keep updating the parts list. Then. They are on huge sale right now so if you can get the cash, now is the time haha. I'd prioritize the motherboard first and foremost. I'll like a monitor below that is on Newegg super sale (Acer KG241P)right now, I think you might need Newegg email subscription tho so get on that. It is a 144hz 1080p 24" monitor for only 150 bucks!
Nov 23, 2018
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kid1Also, prioritize the graphics card and the cpu. Just keep checking the parts lust-ill have it updated
Nov 23, 2018
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Nov 24, 2018
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redblade93did a little tweaking for the list. had to add an OS and swapped out the case for a cheaper one.
Nov 24, 2018
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kid1You don't have to pay for an OS. Even if you did, SDKEYs does them for 12-15 dollars. What case did you go with?
Nov 24, 2018
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redblade93phanax eclipse. its cheap and it can look pretty good. where do I get windows 10 free ? and is it technically legal?
Nov 24, 2018
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kid1Added a different case with a very different aesthetic and $10 cheaper. Currently it's $60 under budget with a monitor
Nov 24, 2018
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redblade93hmmmm. it does seem to have better air flow. also, the mobo does have a toslink port. its right by the 3.5mm jacks
Nov 24, 2018
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redblade93also, the case I have is still cheaper. https://pcpartpicker.com/user/Kid1/saved/273MZL pretty sure tht has the os in it too.
Nov 24, 2018
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kid1The Mobo has toslink? Super. I really really like that case you put in there. Phanteks makes great cases. Only problem with that one is it only has one fan, so you can cook your components. I'd recommend adding a fan or getting a different case. Why would you need windows 10 pro?
Nov 24, 2018
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redblade93fans are usually pretty cheap right? also if I run it lightly I can get away with just whats in there for the time being until I get a fan too right? I figured this pc would be my main computer at home and id rather have and not need than need and not have. and the price to upgrade is significantly higher than just getting it in the first place. that's my logic behind it anyway. but that said if I can get windows 10 for free then that definitely changes things a bit.
Nov 24, 2018
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kid1Good fans will run you around $15. Really good fans can run you $20+. It should work, you'll want to keep an eye on the temps and probably lock your framerate in games. All components these days have fail-safes that will shut your computer down before damage so it's not too big of a concern. That being said, if you like the aesthetics of the h500, it will have VASTLY superior thermals than the p350x, even with an extra fan in the p350x. I can confirm that windows 10 is free. Here is the link: https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows10ISO All you need is a flash drive with at least 8gb of space and follow the directions on the site. Also, just FYI, the PSU on your parts list is out of date with the latest sales and is now overpriced. The one I have on mine is of the same quality and only $50 ;) Keep the questions coming if you got em!
Nov 24, 2018
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redblade93The h500 is the one with the fans right on the front right?
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kid1Yes Sir!
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redblade93Tempting. I think that's gonna be an upgrade later though. Lol
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kid1It's the same price! :D
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redblade93Well apparently I didn't look into that as planned. Lol. What's the benefit of the curved monitor anyway?
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kid1Some people like the curve, some people not. That monitor is usually ~$210, so it's a great deal right now. It's got adaptive sync and 144hz refresh rate. The other option would be to get a 60 hz 1080p monitor for ~$85. So you can either have a killer 1080p experience or save the $45 towards going 1440p in the future
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redblade93I'll have to think on that.
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kid1I'd strongly advocate for just getting the best stuff you can now, as it will last you longer than you think. $85 will get you a really cheap monitor, most of the solid 1080p monitors are 100 anyway. The current parts list with that msi monitor from Fry's will give you an all around great experience. Once you upgrade I don't think $45 is going to make a difference.
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redblade93Fair point. Im currently just trying to get my budget to work while getting gifts. This the season and all that
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kid1Indeed. Prices are already going up so we'll adjust as necessary :). It might be that you should hold on until you can buy everything, as a new generation of CPUs or GPUs might be out in March/April 2018.
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redblade93Well I feel a fool. I missed out on the monitor.
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kid1You'll miss out on a lot in the next week man, don't beat yourself up. There are always the after-xmas sales, and sometimes sales just randomly in january. Once the new parts come out as well, prices will drop and we'll keep examining your options. Don't stress :)
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redblade93Is that part list able to handle vr? I'm just curious. And yeah, shit happens I suppose
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kid1Depends on your definition of "handle" lol. Could it do it at low settings? Sure. Will it be a good experience? Dubious at best. If you're going VR I think 1070 would be the lowest I would go personally, if not a really high-end graphics card, especially for the Vive Pro. The PC core components (mobo, ram, case, psu, and storage) will be ready to go for VR. If you were to upgrade to VR, an upgrade of the GPU would be necessary. Considering that the vr headset would cost you, what, like $400 minimum, you should definitely have a bigger budget for at least a $400 gpu (GTX 1070ti, VEGA 56, 1080, or used 1080ti or RTX 2070). I don't think VR has really hit its stride yet. Current headsets are still pixilated, unless (maybe) you get the VIVE PRO ($800 just for the headset). Game support still isn't the greatest, and neither is the integration. If you want to upgrade to VR when it is actually viable, in all likelyhood you will be GPU bound (only need a GPU upgrade), or if you do need to upgrade your CPU, you'll likely be able to get a solid Zen 2 or Zen 2+ CPU to do the job without having to change any of your core components.
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redblade93So if me and my buddy want to screw about with a psvr headset on elite dangerous for shiggles it'll work, but if I'm looking for a good experience it'll probably need some work. That's peachy. I'm not planning on getting a vr for a while unless I can get one for like 200 or less currently. Even then I'd probably try to resell it. Lol.
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redblade93https://www.amazon.com/HP-Pavilion-21-5-Inch-Monitor-22cwa/dp/B015WCV70W
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redblade93If it wasn't out of stock...
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redblade93https://pcpartpicker.com/product/7cw323/acer-monitor-umwg6aab01
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kid1How do you feel about the Thermaltake Core G21 case? If you like the aesthetics it could be a very solid case option
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redblade93Actually I'm extremely fond of it because I have the option between seeing jet turbines like the one case and not like the others. And it's pretty cheap too. The case may be the last part I get because I do have a few ancient cases I may want to try out first. Don't know anything about them though
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kid1Right on man. Smart move. If you find those old cases aren't up to snuff, the G21 periodically drops in price to a mind-boggling $35ish!
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redblade93Oh nice!
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redblade93so is there a particular order I should get these parts in? like case, mobo, power source, etc?
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kid1Whatever is on sale. I'd just save up and wait for the Xmas sales/after Xmas sales/new years sales. When the Thermaltake case goes on sale in the 30s, get it pronto ;) Did you get the monitor?
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redblade93So the case I have is a thermaltake xaser iii It's huge but Idk how it's gonna work Tbh. Could be interesting
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kid1Try it out and let me know how it works out! Does it come with a power supply?
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redblade93its a thermaltake xaser iii and it had one but it was a really shit power supply. did I find you on steam btw? I think I did. im a little worried about the possibility that the case is so old that I will not be able to make it work with the parts that ill be getting.
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kid1You found me! That case should work just fine. There will probably be some front panel connectors that you won't be able to use but that's NBD.
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redblade93I've heard the cable management is a pain. I could possibly jerry rig or fabricate some USB 3 or USB c ports though right? Also, what's your thoughts on an independent fan controller in a case?
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kid1Are you talking cable management for looks? Cuz if so, nothing is gonna make that case look good lol. What do you need a USB type c for? Your motherboard has some is on the IO, if you need more, there are adapters you can get. Or you can buy a newer case. How'd you get this xaser III case? I can take that off the parts list and re-spec your build!
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redblade93I got it from my father in law. Lol. I don't know if I need the drive brackets and stuff or not either. It'll be interesting.
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kid1If you don't have a power supply already, get this one https://pcpartpicker.com/product/64cMnQ/seasonic-focus-plus-gold-750w-80-gold-certified-fully-modular-atx-power-supply-ssr-750fx Most drive slots are removable, so you can take out the ones you don't need. Does it have 2.5" SSD mounts?
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redblade93Pretty sure yeah. I'm considering just saying screw it a and getting a complete case because I don't know what all it needs to function at the moment
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kid1Your computer will work just fine with the xaser. All a case really needs to do is have a power button and be able to mount your components
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redblade93Well that power button bit might be an issue. Lol. I kinda took the computer apart and didn't really know what it would need and that was a few years ago...
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kid1Did you dismantle the power button?!
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redblade93.... I don't know where it is at t the moment....
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kid1Okay, yeah, you need one of those! ROFL
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redblade93Can you get the switch separate?
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kid1You can, for anywhere from $2-$20.
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redblade93Oh neat
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kid1Did you get that power supply? All the prices have gone back up now
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redblade93Negative. Couldn't quite swing it unfortunately. Also have to call warranty on that monitor
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kid1Okay. NBD, it'll come. Let me know when you get the next chunck of monies and then I'll update the parts list/check the sales. What?! What happened? Also, Massdrop doesn't have any return ability?
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redblade93Monitor is all streaks. I am contacting Samsung for return
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redblade93Also, it'll probably be in about a week. I should be checking into that parts list sooner
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kid1Yikes. Sorry to hear that man. Let me know if you have any troubles. Sounds good!
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redblade93Will do!
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redblade93Someone made a typo there I think
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kid1Yeah. I'll keep looking! Next up would probably be the ram if you can swing it. This kit is only $105 https://pcpartpicker.com/product/3CdFf7/gskill-ripjaws-v-series-16gb-2-x-8gb-ddr4-3000-memory-f4-3000c15d-16gvkb are you signed up for neweggs email deals?
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redblade93I put them in a roll up thing. I'll probably have to get it back in my actual email. Damn. Temptation is strong...
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kid1Temptation really is strong - I check those every day and I just want to buy a bunch of things I don't need!
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redblade93I can relate. Lol.
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kid1Check the Newegg promo email from today! It's got a seasonic focus plus 850 w power supply for only $60! Get that! There is also the Asus RX 570 4g strix for $130 and that is also a pretty good deal but definitely prioritize the power supply and.get that!
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redblade93I can't see the power supply
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kid13rd fron the top on the left below the "icy cool savings"
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redblade93Found it
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redblade93His long do these things last anyway?
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kid1It usually says on the top. Anywhere from 24-72 hours usually
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redblade93I dont see anything like that tbh
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redblade93Oh I found the power supply. I just couldn't find the date the offer ends
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kid1In the very top right it says it ends on the 17fg. Get the seasonic over the evga
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redblade93I was thinking the same thing.
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redblade93I have a possibility to get a 1070 to amp edition for like 235 via private party. Thoughts?
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kid1Seems like a pretty good deal. If it is from somebody that you know, even better. They can vouch for the condition and help you troubleshoot if there are problems.
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redblade93True yeah.
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kid1Hey man how's it going? Happy New year! Did you end up buying that 1070? How did the monitor situation pan out?
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redblade93Could be worse. Happy new year to you too! No I couldn't find the post again. Probably gonna go with something like a 580 or something.
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kid1I'll rework the parts list. ;) Did your monitor get fixed?
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redblade93They say it's repaired. They haven't said it's shipped back yet but hopefully they'll get on that soon
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kid1Hopefully it turns out soon! Did you like it before it was broke?
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redblade93The curve takes a little getting used to but it looks really good. Never did actually get to game on it ironically. Really excited for when I have a pc that can take proper advantage of it
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redblade93It's sitting on my desk now. I'm letting it sit a little bit d to make sure it's dry before I fire it up to see if it is good. The case is popped open on one side a little and I don't like that.
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redblade93Shouldn't I be looking for an 8 gb gpu?
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redblade93Sidenote, monitor works. Booted up elite dangerous. Prettiest 4 frames per second ever.
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kid18gb gpu aren’t really in your price range. Your better off saving more money for an upgrade while that gpu keeps you busy
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CommonSenseUsedEven if I switch to dual monitors?
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kid1I ran 3 monitors with https://pcpartpicker.com/builds/edit/?userbuild=8dMZxr. Not all gaming at once but one gaming and the other on firefox or discord
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CommonSenseUsedi cant see the part or build you liked to there. what card?
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CommonSenseUsedlooked for a 580 in 4 gigs. its more expensive than the 8 gig. that's odd
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redblade93What do you think of a gtx 1060
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kid1Cheaper and better to go with a 580 8gb. The 570 4gb is often better value per dollar, especially when its less than $130, but for a really strong, "future resistant" experience, a 580 will be better if you can save up for an extra $50
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CommonSenseUsedDidn't know there was a 560. Probably gonna go 580 and may as well go 8 gig since the price difference is minimal
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kid1If you check your newegg promo from today or yesterday, there is a solid MSI rx 570 with 8gb of VRAM instead of 4 for $140, which is still $50 cheaper than an RX 580 8gb.
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redblade93Except I take it back! This is a better deal: better model and better price for 570 8gb for $120: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/HFvbt6/sapphire-radeon-rx-570-8-gb-pulse-video-card-11266-69-21g
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redblade93idk if I like the lack of an hdmi port.
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redblade93https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814932073&ignorebbr=1&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-PCPartPicker,%20LLC-_-na-_-na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID= im thinking im going to get this one because itll do multi monitor and has some pretty nice specs as far as I can tell. what do you think?
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kid1Good spot there. Don't get the sapphire. The gigabyte, even at that price, you should go $30 more and get a 580 8gb
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redblade93Found an fxf with a good rating at the same price
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kid1Looks good!
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redblade93Think I found a good one on Amazon. I'll have to double check that tho. I really should post a pic of my current setup
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kid1Looks like you've got some pretty killer peripherals there man!
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redblade93The thumbstick on the game board is a little twitchy for elite and the joystick is a little glitchy and I'm thinking a new mouse will be in order soon because thumb trackball are apparently not the best for gaming. But that's being pretty picky.
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redblade93I just need the pc to take advantage of them!
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kid1How do you feel about this case? It is on a special deal where you get a PSU with it, and that makes it a really good buy. However, we might have to make some adjustments on the other parts of the parts list to make it work
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redblade93I'm sure I can make it work. It has a bronze certified power source. How big of a deal is bronze vs gold or silver?
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kid1Officially, it means the power supply is slightly more efficient. The difference between bronze and gold is much bigger than gold to platinum. Really the difference that you should care about is that gold is usually just overall higher quality and the warranty should reflect that. Same goes for modular vs. semi modular: modular is usually higher quality and the warranty should reflect that. We could find a PSU that is much more tailored to your use case (lower wattage and bronze for your budget) or get a more future proof one like I spelled previously.
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redblade93Gotcha Might be buying a rig for like 300. Looks like all it needs is a graphics card
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redblade93Msi z97, 850 w gold rated psu, Intel i5, not a bad rig. It's even got a cooling loop for the cpu. Dusty but apparently he didn't use it much. What all should I do to benchmark a computer like that in order to tell if it's a good idea to get?
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kid1What Intel i5 is it? And what is the cooling loop? What storage does it have?
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redblade93Looking at the specs it was pretty good. It had a corsair radiator kit for the cpu. Im pretty sure I didn't get it
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redblade93Might have a different one with a 1gb graphics card and a quad core processor. Lol. It's a start and I could probably slap a new gpu in and then build up the rest.
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redblade93in a twist of fate im getting a computer with an 8 core processor and the 8gig variant of the AMD R9 gpu which is power hungry as all hell but that will be ok for as long as im very sporadic in my gaming sessions. worst case I can side step to an rx 580 or even upgrade to a 1660 or something. cool part is the computer is going to cost about 400 compared to the 800 ish for my build.
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kid1Right on man! Do you still need a gaming mouse or are you set? As long as g as you like the way it performs you should be good. Do you need an SSD?
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redblade93Figured I'd post an update. Still need a new desk but that may come after I have a new house. Redblade you've been a huge help even though I never did build a gaming rig. I have plans for upgrading this one and honestly I'd never have done it without you. Any suggestions on a good ten keyless keyboard brand? My desk is only so big and this keyboard is not that fantastic.
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kid1Wow thanks man! I really enjoyed talking things over with you. As far as tenkeyless keyboards go: Do you want RGB? What kind of switch are you interested in? Membrane, mem-chanical, Cherry, Romer-G?
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redblade93I'd prefer something like the romer g mechanism or other mechanical. Rgb isn't necessary but it would be nice.
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kid1With mechanical keyboards, feel is really important to the overall experience. There are tons of options out there. The Romer-G keys are an aquired taste, i think if you have a microcenter or frys or something nearby that you should try them out alongside Cherry MX switches or another mechanical switch to see which ones you like. Romer Gs are supposed to have better reliability than anyone. They also have a quicker response, but just dont have as satisfying of a feel as the other types. Do you want a tactile feel, or clicky, or linear? Velocifier makes some really inexpensive ones with decent switches but no RGB. If you want a really solid board from a well-known company, you're looking at $100+. Here are two that i'd recommend: Logitech G-Pro (Romer-G Switch): $105: https://pcpartpicker.com/product/QPWrxr/logitech-g-pro-wired-gaming-keyboard-920-008290 Corsair K65 Rapidfire (Cherry Silver Speed Switch), $120: https://www.corsair.com/us/en/Categories/Products/Gaming-Keyboards/RGB-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboards/K65-RGB-RAPIDFIRE-Compact-Mechanical-Gaming-Keyboard-%E2%80%94-CHERRY%C2%AE-MX-Speed-RGB/p/CH-9110014-NA?utm_source=PCPartPicker_79301&utm_medium=Affiliate&utm_campaign=497986_CORSAIR%20US%20Product%20Catalog%20Ad&utm_content=Content&clickid=RF9ypdwBPxyJTRx0RHQK3XRkUklzLA1z32kKxc0&irgwc=1
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redblade93Found a k65 with cherry reds for little over 50 bucks. Its refurbished but I think it might work.
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redblade93Accidentally got an rgb k65. It's awesome
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