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rastus
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I own a collectors item,, a Technics SL-1200 MK1, yes a 1 - no quartz=you twiddle the knob,, that is coming back out of hibernation. Thinking of simply using it, but also playing with the Idea of ripping some vinyl to DSD 5.6 with a Korg 10R: http://www.digitalaudioreview.net/2016/07/portable-vinyl-with-the-korg-ds-dac-10r-audiogate/ http://www.hifihaven.org/index.php?threads/vinyl-ripping-to-dsd5-6-the-korg-ds-dac-10r-adc-dac.1926/
“The two things that really drew me to vinyl were the expense and the inconvenience.”
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rastusThe Korg 10R looks interesting. I'm looking at the Vincent PHO-1 phono stage which has USB out for ripping but no info on the A/D converter. They claim "CD quality" so I'm guessing no DSD. Overall a different product.
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cjbownsWell... it is not the original 10R plan... but just bought a used Korg MR-2000S that I will be using as a player, and will also be using it for vinyl ripping. I will still interface to the MR-2000S with Audiogate and be dropping/grabbing files onto/from it's internal SSD drive. My goal (read crazy quest) here is to additionally take out the "middle" , USB not-made-for-audio schnickschnack in this case, by using the MR200S's internal SSD; not doable with the 10R.
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I would still very much recommend considering the 10R as a solution over the PHO-701, no info on the AD chip? Just get a decent USB cable, split with dedicated power best, as you are streaming and the 10R is USB powered. The 10R has a phono pre amp built-in, with Rubycon thin film caps;)
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What really intrigued me though, was that if I was to look at really doing this, I would only do it if there was some value added. Here with Korg setup you can now explore the 5 other curves beyond RIAA, if they apply, not just the DSD side which is really enough... All that I have read on the blogs, is that this is the best way to do it, and leave in the pops etc., taking them out with software is another filter... get the best clean vinyl-with your best hardware and rip to DSD, then archive the vinyl, as so many of us are doing now regardless; vinyl hoarders...
From Korg: "Premium components selected to achieve the highest-quality sound" "Inside the DS-DAC-10R, you’ll find the same PCM4202 (made by TI) AD converter used in the MR-2000S 1-bit studio recorder. We have insisted on the same exacting quality as this recorder—which continues to be used in many professional studios. The pre-stage circuit of the phono amp uses high-performance parts such as the OPA1662 (made by TI) and thin-film polymer multi-layer capacitors (PMLCAP®/made by Rubycon) in order to take full advantage of the phono cartridge’s performance. For the DA converter, we’ve selected the same CS4390 (made by Cirrus Logic) as used in the MR-2000S and the DS-DAC series. Like these respected devices, the DS-DAC-10R also exemplifies KORG’s motto for sound: “uncolored sound that faithfully reproduces the original.” And, of course, native playback of 2.8224 MHz and 5.6448 MHz DSD files is supported."
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rastusWhat do you think about the PS Audio Nuwave Phono Converter? I'm considering this over the Vincent PHO and DS-10R. Again, these are all fairly different products.
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cjbownsLooks like a wonderful deal, using THAT hardware is nice - fav company,, but... you have to decide PS = passive EQ or Korg = Software EQ (6 curves). My stance also is trying to hold to true native DSD transfers, the PS is DoP, so on this alone I would go with Korg. Just me trying to hold resolute to at least one base rule. I'm sure this PS is exceptional, but when I first heard native DSD from a master source... I'm sticking to native; that rapture thing is kinda nice when you can get it.
Korg: "The AudioGate 4 contains a DSD phono equalizer that restores all of the sound that went into cutting the record, while minimizing any effect of the equalization process on the sound. In addition to the standard RIAA curve, five other curves(*2)are also supported. Phono equalization can be applied as you record, or when playing back an un-equalized DSD recording made from your vinyl sources. This versatile cutting-edge technology lets you appreciate the true power of vinyl records in a way until now impossible—even on high-end audio equipment. *1. The record lathes used in the process of producing vinyl records cut a wider groove as the frequency of the sound becomes lower; this makes it difficult for the needle to accurately trace the groove during playback, and also decreases the recording time. For this reason, the record being cut is equalized to attenuate the low-frequency range and boost the high-frequency range, and the opposite curve is applied during playback. This compensation is applied by the “phono equalizer.” Since record players have a lower output level in comparison to most audio devices, it is necessary to boost the signal, and the phono equalizer typically performs this role as well. However on the DS-DAC-10R, the amplification is handled by an analog circuit and the equalization is separately performed using digital signal processing (within AudioGate 4).
*2. RIAA is the standard recording/playback equalization curve for records defined by the Recording Industry Association of America. It became a standard in 1954, but prior to that date there was no standardization between the various record labels. Since the curve is not indicated on the records themselves, it’s not possible to know which curve was used to record a given record; however it is said that nearly all records can be covered by the RIAA curve and five other curves. Try selecting different curves in AudioGate 4 and enjoy the resulting changes in tonality. "
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