Oct 18, 2016

Question on monitor

Hey currently working on building a desktop new to all this. Can someone educate me a bit more on what exactly free sync is that I keep seeing on monitors ? And what exactly to steer toward or away from ? I'll be putting a gtx1080 card in and aiming to game in 4k and hdr so hoping to find a monitor that does it justice ? Suggestions ? Even if it's not one on here .
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DO NOT GET FREESYNC!!!!! If you are getting an Nvidia GPU then get a G Sync monitor. For competitive gaming I recommend getting a 1440p monitor at 144hz. DO NOT GTE 240HZ!!!! You won't need 240hz since it is really expensive and its only for 1080p monitors (Plus its not easy at all to tell the difference.). If your gonna get a 1080 then get at least a 1440p monitor. 4k is capped at 60hz which is not nice at all and will look terrible. To tell you the truth, no matter what you do your accuracy in games will still be the same even if you did get a very cheap monitor. It will just look nicer. I also wouldn't recommend getting anything above a 27" monitor unless its a ultra wide because then your monitor is pretty much a TV. Plus smaller monitors are cheaper.
If you are playing something fast-paced like a first person shooter. Then you definitely do not want a 4k monitor since it is capped at 60 frames per second. for competitive gaming I only recommend 240hz monitors 1080p. 1440p monitors at 144hz are good enough for most gamers (nice compromise of good looks and pretty good frame rate) . If you are getting a gtx1080 then you want g-sync instead of freesync. But up to you on whether it is worth it or not. For 1440p I do recommend g-sync if you have a high end graphics card. I have a 1080ti and a 240hz 1080p monitor that I use for quake and doom. For PUBG I use my 1440p monitor.
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Even with A 1080ti, I still run all my graphics settings on low so that I can get the highest frame rate possible.
If you have a certain brand of video card (AMD), Freesync locks the information coming to the screen to the same speed as the information coming from the video card.

Without freesync (or the competing version, G Sync for Nvidia video cards - which adds a $200 licensing fee to the cost of the screen), the information can get mismatched . As an example, the top half of the screen might produce an earlier or later image than the bottom half of the screen, resulting in distorted images.

This results in something called tearing, and obviously can be annoying if it happens often enough.

In practice, tearing usually happens to a strip in the middle of the screen being out of sync.

This is only an issue if you are playing graphics intensive video games. I have never seen screen tearing in a movie or other type of video, although in theory I guess it is possible.

There is a new version of Freesync, called Freesync 2. As the name implies, Freesync does not charge a licensing fee.

In my experience with a high refresh rate screen (144 hz), tearing is rarely an issue. But if you get a 60 hz monitor, you will want to have G Sync, or G Sync 2 which I think is also coming out.

I recommend the 34" 4k G Sync from Asus PG348Q. But it's pricey, the exttra money is just for the G Sync compared to this one.
Free sync is an open source tech that is supported by AMD video cards and enables variable refresh rate to your monitor when playing games (matches your refresh rate to the frames per second of the games you are playing). This makes for smoother play of the game and is supposed to eliminate Tearing= Screen tearing is a visual artifact in video display where a display device shows information from multiple frames in a single screen draw. The artifact occurs when the video feed to the device is not in sync with the display's refresh rate. NVIDIA has there own similar tech called G-SYNC and it basically does the same thing however it's proprietary and the monitor makers add the cost of the G-Sync module to the price of the monitor making those monitors quite a bit more expensive than Free-Sync monitors.
As far as HDR goes its not the best for gaming it over exposes the highlights and under exposes the shadows making darker scenes look awful, if you are going nvidia for graphics then freesync won't work for you use gsync instead, depending on what you intend on playing try for an IPS monitor, lower refresh then tn but 60hz is plenty for a lot of games and the colour is way better
zyprezz Doppler WookieHunter JGunnz Waah Here is a PCpart picker link to everything I have together thus far, http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zP3L7h

Final things I need to nail down are Power Supply, cooling setup and graphics cards, and I guess what optical drive. http://pcpartpicker.com/list/zP3L7h any thoughts input etc would be appreciated. Also, zyprezz I'm sort of second guessing myself and paranoid as to the life span of the Motherboard, LG1151 socket, and the I7-6700K whatre your thoughts? I can easily return the mobo and invest in one with an LGA-2011v3 wondering if that wouldnt serve me alot better? thoughts ?
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ZachHilty
I personally wouldn't get that much ram. Very few applications use that amount of ram and games are fine with 16GB. AMD's Ryzen and Threadripper CPU's are very competitive and probably cost less than Intels lineup right now.
ZachHilty
Get the new 1151 socket ... 370 series ... and an 8700k when they come out in a few weeks.
free sync and g-sync and the old V-sync is a way to remove screen tearing by buffering the picture until its ready to send it does create input lag because its waiting with sending the picture usually around 20-80ms depending on how fast your graphic card is pumping out fps i would recommend turning it off while playing fps because you want to have the lowest input lag while amining
it feels like they are rebranding shit and forcing ppl to eat it.

the higher hz your monitor can deliver the better the picture will be without (V, free, g)sync you can reach 250hz if you want to drop the doe

there is only 2 good 4k monitors and the best of them are this one 100hz 4k : https://www.amazon.co.uk/ASUS-Curved-PG348Q-3440x1440-monitor/dp/B01A9EN4YU/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1478087783&sr=8-2&keywords=Acer+X34

as for dual graphic cards DONT!
it might work for some games but there is alooot of games that dont support it or it runs ineffective and does create artifacts (render errors)

its way better to just upgrade the video card and go for a Titan X(pascal) and you want that if your planing on playing at 4k anyway

you can still do 100 fps if you lower the graphics settings on a 1080 but imo wait untill 11xx series or later
zyprezz
Hey. zyprezz awesome post. Is 2 cards in Sli really that bad ? And I was trying to wait for the 1080ti if rumors are true and it comes out January or so. Your thoughts ? Also that curved Asus monitor I had looked at and it seems great but it's really only 2k isn't it ? And how do you think a 1080ti would compare to a titan x ? Can a titan be over clocked at all ? Annnddd here's another thing. Say you do run and sli setup but the game doesn't support it. Will you end up with worse performance than 1 of a single card or are you simply saying that becAuse the benefit is so small it isn't worth it ? Also any chance I can talk to you about. EK cooling setups ?
zyprezz
Ooof. Ancient post at this point but:

I just want to note that at 60Hz, your video card is averaging a frame every 16.667 ms (1.667% of a second). If you're doing less than that, you're not doing 60 FPS anymore.

Assuming 80ms, you're only doing 12.5 FPS. If your video card is only doing 12.5 FPS with any modern sync technology active, you really need drastically reduced display settings or an upgrade.

Plus, Freesync and G-sync are functionally the opposite of v-sync. With v-sync the video card is waiting on the monitor; with the more modern technologies, the monitor is waiting on the video card. For this reason you shouldn't see the same massive framerate drops v-sync can incur.
Could you by any chance help me figure out the cooling loop and power supply ? WookieHunter JGunnz
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ZachHilty
this is ultra late, but unless you're going for the looks, there's no point in water-cooled ram. They don't produce enough heat to justify it. A water-cooled motherboard will probably help you more than water-cooled ram
ZachHilty
That's fine. Gpu cpu mobo. Looks are sorta a consideration but over clocked performance an stability is really top by far. How familiar are you with EK water blocks an stuff ? Intninja
I mean that's the goal lol. First build eve twill hopefully last several years. Could use help choosing a good power supply and. Figuring out all the cooling etc
WookieHunter well I'll be buying the in win 909 and having it painted like a borderlands theme. Mobo is Asus Maximus 8 Formula. I have an I7 6700K but I was considering going up to a 6core and just over clocking it over 4 ghz. 2 x 16gb sticks of G.Skill ripjaw3333 mhz ddr4. Samsung evo 1tb ssd and Seagate constellation 2tb. I do really want to do a custom loop water setup from EKWB. I'm just nervous going about that myself and want to make sure I have it all setup properly an based covered. Figured I'd cool the processor and ram and the Seahawk could just tieinto that loop.
ZachHilty
Wow, all that sounds awesome you're definitely on the right path to making a 4K beast.
WookieHunter I do really appreciate the input man, this is a big deal to me, Ive wanted to take on this project for several years now, but it is my first time ever doing this. Id like to do it right and make a beast right out of the gate. I was referencing this list here http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/articles/geforce-gtx-1080-custom-graphics-card-roundup for my decision making, the clocks on the Sea hawk EK looked solid, and I love that it's integrated water block cooled, If you may be up to it, I'd love to run by you what I've bought so far, and possibly help me figure out my last 2 or 3 decisions, I know Id Like* to do a hard tubing set up from EK cooling but I need to make sure I get a power supply with the right connections and have everything be compatible etc, if you could maybe help me figure out the last details, provide feedback on current parts Im sitting on that'd be awesome.
ZachHilty
Sure, If you're going to get the Sea hawk, overclock it, and have a water cooler installed on your cpu I recommend getting a power supply no lower than 1000watts. What are the last parts you need? What is your CPU and Motherboard?