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YUUHUU
8
Feb 24, 2018
do you think the x1s plus x7s are a good value for 400$ or can we get something better for the same amount of money
mrbinary
344
Feb 24, 2018
YUUHUUX1S is good enough if you not using the XLR connector.
YUUHUU
8
Feb 25, 2018
mrbinaryyah i dont think that i will use the xlr output i dont have any balanced cables plus for some reason the cables Cost more then the amp :p do u think the x1s is enough for the hifiman 400i?
mrbinary
344
Feb 25, 2018
YUUHUUyeah, I'd rather buy monitor speakers than those balanced cables. I've tried with Hifiman HE-4XX on X1s it can drive loud enough dial at 1 o'clock. 12 o'clock for normal listening.
mindhead1
599
Feb 26, 2018
YUUHUUI just received my X1S from a previous drop and I am not certain that this DAC/Amp is the best match for the 400i. I picked up the X1S to use with my 6xx which should be delivered at the end of March. I'll try and keep my explanation short. I'll start by saying that I think the X1S is great. I notice a distinct improvement in sound from the DAC to my desktop speakers (Audyssey LES) compared to the AudioEngine D1 which I had been using previously, which is very good in its own right. The X1S is also great with my Grado SR80. It warms the highs without muting the energy that the Grados produce (sorry for the sound description babble, but I don't know how else to describe it).
My reason for saying the 400i are not the best match is because prior to getting the X1S I picked up a Topping NX4 to drive my 400i and I find the NX4 > 400i pairing to be superior to the X1S > 400i match. Now this is where I may get into trouble. I am not a sound engineer. But this is what I hear or am perceiving. The X1S seems to smooth out/ warm up the music to some extent which is something that the 400i seem to do well on it's own. Leans dark? The NX4 on the other hand might be described as bright and doesn't take the edge off of the hi and mid range like the X1S does.
When I first plugged the 400i into the X1S something didn't sound right. Highs were muted and vocals recessed. Low end was good as always, but something seemed to be missing. When I would plug the 400i into the NX4 the something came back. Highs were fresh and vocals came to the front.
Similarly, the SR80 is more sibilant when driven through the NX4. Not terrible or unbearable, but definitely brighter than when played through the X1S. The bright nature of the SR80 is what drove me to look for a headphone with more low end heft, like the 400i.
All that said, I am very pleased with the X1S it has rekindled my love of the SR80 and I am anxious to try it out with the 6xx which it is supposedly tuned to work well with. If the 400i are you primary set, you might want to consider a different DAC/Amp. Then again, the X1S > 400i may sound great to you.
Good hunting.
YUUHUU
8
Feb 26, 2018
mindhead1Thank you for your reply your info was great, i honestly prefer a darker sounding set up. Im verry sensitive to sibilance and bright sounding headphones realy bring on the ear fatigue in my case plus i dont think the 400i are my end game headphones they are great and all verry clean sounding but they just sound dull , i dont know how to explain it but for comparison my sony MDR 1A are much more fun to listen to. The 400i are just boring. In any case do u think the x1s are good in general and should be enough for any future headphones upgrade like the lcd x or the sony MDR Z1R my dream headphones.
mindhead1
599
Feb 26, 2018
YUUHUUI don't consider myself an authority on DAC/Amps. The extent of my knowledge is limited to AudioEngine D1, Topping NX4 and the X1S. Based on my research and personal experience I think the X1S will spend a good long time on my desk. It's a great match for my SR80 and hopefully will be so for the 6xx I have on order.
I was considering the Sony MDR 1 and may give them a shot a some point in the future. As far as the 400i being boring, I find that an interesting assessment. If you are driving them from a phone they may not be getting the power they need. Mine sound great when amplified properly. That said, I no longer own the 400i as I returned them this afternoon. I owned them for 3 weeks and the headband cracked. This really disappointed me as they were sufficiently burned in and sounding really great to me.
YUUHUU
8
Feb 27, 2018
mindhead1Thats just bad luck the 400i that i own have been with me for more then 1 year and they are practically brand new. You must have been really unlucky, im joining this drop for 200$ its good value the only better option is the NFB 11.28 but that would set me back 398$ shipped to my country in general its better than the x1s plus better power but its not twice the price better would you agree ?
mindhead1
599
Feb 27, 2018
YUUHUUI have read positive things about the NFB-11, but have never used one. The X1S is the most expensive DAC/Amp I have ever used and so far and very happy with it. It has the power to drive the headphones I own and it sounds good.
I'm not certain what spending $200 more would get me. Diminishing returns are real.
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