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Etymotic ER3SE & ER3XR IEMs

Etymotic ER3SE & ER3XR IEMs

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Has anyone issues with right side of the headphone? Mine has the volume subdued significantly. I’m just waiting on filter replacements, before I contact warranty though.
I've joined the drop a couple of weeks ago, shipping date is set for 28th december. How and when do we get notified of any updates on this drop?
Are these worth the upgrade over the HF5?
@CEE_TEE possible for Massdrop to update the listing? Apparently there is manufacturer's warranty the last I emailed (screenshot in my previous post). Thanks!
I'm deeply saddened Ety have discontinued the hf5's, they were the prefect price/performance ratio. Given all flagship phones save Korea's have dropped the 3.5mm jack, a user hostile action (which will result in higher global cancer rates as Bluetooth is right next to microwave ovens in the EMF spectrum) I guess Ety need to make more revenue on lower volumes, but I'm still sad. Can anyone say that these are fifty bucks better than the hf5's?
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Fellow V series fan here (V20, no notches). You are totally missing my point. Wired from a phone radiates MORE than BT. The cell signals are powerful and high frequency enough that your headphone cable acts as a secondary antenna (reradiates). Bluetooth without cable is appreciably lower in most scenarios. I'm not trying to minimize anything, especially discussions about Emag :) but if you are going to be paranoid do it right!
GiantHeadphoneSquid
Oh, I sorta thought that was what you said, but was unsure of that was what you were talking to. My view is always minimization. Whenever my earphones are in all radios save the telephone radio are off. I'm fastidious about turning of radios when the device is next to my body. I only listen wired when in traffic on my scooter (Ety isolation rocks in this regard!). There is no need for data etc when I ride, except for the rare occasion I need data for Google maps. It's so easy to turn radios on and off, plus it saves on battery, so everyone should do it only for that reason if they think the EMF stuff is hokum. Again, thanks for the push into this drop, I'll try to compare both once they arrive. P.s. I don't know if you know, but the v30 is now bootloader unlockable via an XDA exploit, so another big reason you should upgrade your v20! They're super cheap on eBay, the silver is gorgeous!
Update: Ety says these are covered by their warranty. I confirmed with Massdrop support via email that there is no manufacturer's warranty for these. I'm in the process of confirming with Ety support and will update this thread. That said, I seldom hear of Ety users having issues during the warranty period so things should be fine. Just sharing in case anyone is looking. Amazon doesn't always have warranty too, you have to purchase from Ety's authorised resellers listed at their warranty page.
gemmoglock
Update, Ety confirmed that there is warranty
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1 more week!
When do you guys think they will ship? I live in the Netherlands, by the way.
I’m curious. Awhile back I was watching an R2R dac. People hammered the company because the design was so close to another, they felt it was illegally copied. They were upset with Massdrop for allowing it to be listed. I though they were off base but then that’s my opinion. Now I look at these and I see Klipsch X 10-11 and 12 design Being copied. The Dac was just a generic design but this shape is very unique to earphones.
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Rotorooter
Etymotic have been in business since 1983. They have had this style of headphone since 1991 (see the ER-4). If anything Klipsch took the design that Etymotic Research Originated and made the x11i (Came out in 2013 I think). This design style was copied, but not by Etymotic.
Whyaskit
Klipsch started the X series in 2008. Without checking I think it was an X-8 or 9. As I said to Luke Klipsch just modernized the basic design so they did use Etymotic concept. I was just curious because so many people got upset about the R2R Dac. I didn’t understand because honestly there is just a limited scope on designs. I mean like how much really difference is there between a basic turntable or amp from one manufacturer to another. Same thing with speakers and Dacs.
I currently own the MK5 and I like the natural tonality and realistc rendering of higher frequencies (although they lack some brillance and sparkle in the upper most frequencies for me), but the entire balance is a bit off to my ears. They are too mid-focused and have a tad too little bass. I wonder if the ER3XR would do the trick here? Or do the MK5 already have similar bass to the ER3XR, or rather comparable to the ER3SE? Not quite sure if the ER3XR would really be a big step up compared to the MK5. Please if someone has heard both, let me know if I should order the ER3XR to replace my MK5. Thanks, O.
oluv
Ok I have to reply myself obviously as my ER3XR have arrived and I had some time with them in the meantime. They are definitely a big step up over the MK5 with more refinement to the sound, better treble and a nicer soundstage with better 3D sound. Many claim Etymotics to have a narrow sound stage which I personally cannot quite confirm. They do not exaggerate and make the stage broader like many other headphones. When I listen to my own binraual recordings the imaging is spot on, I can localize every aound source precisely while with many other headphones claimed to have a huge sound stage imaging is way off in this case. But back to the ER3XR compared to the MK5. I had harder time to really get the best fit than with the MK5. The MK5 tend to sound thin and mid-focused compared but there is a trick to make them closer in sound to the ER3XR. Use the large tri-flange tips, shorten the stem until the biggest flange and then cut the lowest flange away. This way the mid honkiness get away, bass improves as well as treble. So with the ER3XR with its stock smaller Triflanges compared to the MK5 bi-flange mod the tonality is quite similar but the ER3XR has more overall sparkle, something I was always missing from the MK5, there is also more air between instruments, it simply sounds more high-end. When I tried the bi-flange mod on the ER3XR they became boomy and muddy at the same time. I definitely prefer them with the smaller stock tips. I would still like to try out of the ER4XR would give me additional improvement. I saw measurements suggesting that it has even better treble extension. The ER4XR might be my next purchase in case there will be another drop. Unfortunately my ER3XR broke after 2 weeks of use. The right unit started to cut off and lose contact, swapping both sides didn't change anything, it must have been the driver unit itself or the connector on the driver part. I contacted Massdrop because of this and get my money back within some minutes. Respect for that kind of support! Now waiting to grab the ER4XR hopefully soon!
The ER3XR or the FiiO F9 Pro? Really need some suggestions.
Abiromu
ER3.
Can anyone tell me if these would work with a MEE Audio BTX1 Bluetooth wireless cable? Can't seem to find what the connection is. Thank you
rdub
I have the er4-xr and the cords are proprietary and do not appear to fit with MEE's. Been waiting patiently with fingers crossed for Ety to come out with at least a mic/control cord. Even better, bluetooth.
what was the price here on massdrop for these bad bois?
ojciecpolak
Usd150
Any way to get a microphone cable for these bad boys?
I'm a performing musician and have invested thousands in custom IEMs from Future Sonics and Sensaphonics. Of paramount importance to me is sound quality and isolation. I bought the ER3XRs (I used to have the ER4-P-Ts but lost them). They are far and away the best isolating and sounding IEMs I've used. The FS and Sensaphonics didn't isolate as well and neither of them had the midrange clarity and truth in sound that I like. I'm a bass player, so low end is important. The ER3XRs don't slam the low end, Future Sonics are pretty good at that, but in a live situation, having massive low end isn't such a great thing as it creates ear fatigue and exacerbates my tinnitus. These days I get to hear all the clarity and imaging of a well mic'ed drum set, the vocals, and everything else like never before. I highly recommend them. I'm really tempted to get a back up pair at this price.
I'm using Metric Halo 3d interfaces for my D/A, so that helps create the wonderful sound, but they also sound very good from other sources, including iPads and iPhones.
Can anyone give me a measurement on the diameter of the 3.5mm jack housing? (The plastic piece right before the jack)
Er3xr vs ue 900 can any one compare this
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Only tell about good sounded from both ue900s and er3xr.both in same priece like149 and 179 usd
Riya51
I've tried the Er3xr, and I own the Ue900s. The er3xr have better isolation. And the accoustics (Drums, Guitars) sound sharper on the er3xr, also the the treble is very precise, but not overpowering. The Ue900s have amazing separation, better sound stage, and the bass is a bit cleaner, personally I would go for the er3xr, but it depends on what you are looking for.
Guys which are the foams for them? On Etymotic site there are ER38-14F and ER38-14FE, but none of them is indicated as for ER3.
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Sensaphonics, in Chicago makes them. Check their website for approved audiologists to get your impressions made and they have their own lab create them. I can tell you that they make quality ear plugs made to fit the Ety filters, I'm sure they can deliver what you're looking for. BTW, Etymotics is also local (Elk Grove, IL) so they know each other very well. http://store.sensaphonics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ETY%2DSLEEVES%2DEARPHONES
https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/custom-fit/
I think you're in the dying empire, so you can locate an audiologist, get the impressions/tips from them by following the info there.
I loved my ER6i before they broke. How do these compare?
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Thanks. Got the ER3XR in the mail and loving them. Any recommendations for a portable DAC to go along with it?
4uRo4
Sorry, totally missed this till now! I’m happy using my 3XRs straight out of my phone/laptop’s headphone jack. I have the 3SE too and find that more compatible with amplification; the XR can get boomy when amped, while an amped SE is basically a better XR. In short, I think the XR is a perfect travel companion, while the SE is better at a desk hooked up to an amp. I pair the SE with the Gustard H10 at work, which looks ridiculous but sounds great. :)
how much more different is the ER4XR and the EX3R?
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@GiantHeadphoneSquid thanks for the sober response. :) I actually returned my first pair of 3XRs and after listening to the second pair for 8 hours on Amtrak, I freely concede the sound can't truly be called "V-shaped." I've revised my mini review accordingly, but I stand by my assertion that the 3SE sounds more similar to the 4XR than the 3XR does. While the target reference curve may be the same, I don't think we should underestimate the difference that halving the impedance makes–as I'm sure you know, impedance is not uniform across frequencies, so the difference in sound can't be fully described by the slightly looser matching tolerance. It's kind of like the ER4PT vs the ER4S, which are well known for sounding more different than the impedance measurement might suggest.
toniidesu
Glad to hear you arrived at a pair of Etys that you enjoy. I take my ER3XR on the bus with me everyday, it’s a joy to have isolation and amazing sound to go :) I agree that the biggest difference between the lines is the impedance magnitude. It makes doing a direct back to back comparison very difficult, since I have to adjust my source volume to compensate, which forces my brain to compensate in the interim. The ER4P/T and S sounds differ due to less series resistance in the cable of the P/T, not difference in the transducer impedance like between 3/4. This results in a slightly more rolled off sound, but was a subtle difference. It was also easy to compensate for via an external series impedance. The ER3 and ER4 , however, use different drivers that have different impedance (both average, and likely vs. frequency); the difference is not from cable loading variation to the same driver. This is likely less linear and also less consistent between individual driver elements.
In contrast, Ety themselves noted that the XR/SR tuning variation was outside of the range possible for a simple passive impedance adapter even to the same transducers (specifically the ER4). . . many folks were very curious if an adapter would be released when the line was announced but were promptly shut down.
While we can only speculate if the extra ER3 variation correlates with frequency to have a filtering effect, we can at least qualify the magnitude of its potential effect according to Ety's tolerance specs:
I get in trouble when I don't let computers do the math for me, but we can approximate the envelope of allowable variation by adding the worst case manufacturing variations (aka your ER4 and ER3 vary in exactly the opposite and maximum extent, a perfect storm delta between the pair) as 15%+8% = 23% or about -1.2 dB, whereas the boost for the XR looks more on the order of 5-6 dB.
Is there any new update on the delivery date?
CWHSG
a couple of days ago got an email from MD that the shipment will be delayed. then yesterday, got an email that the item has been shipped.
hopefully u got the same notification.
cheers!
would anyone consider this better than the EDC3 and is it worth $50 more?
BIGGUY4x4
Not sure if this qualifies to answer ur question coz I didn't join the EDC3 drop...
However, I do have the Nuforce EDC and Nuforce BE6i... and in terms of sound, I find Nuforce to be "fun" sounding, meaning, to my ears, it's emphasis is on the bass, which is not a 'negative' by all means. But it doesn't muddy-up the mids, nor overpower the highs. The Nuforce has just enough definition to hear slight nuances to your music, and gives it just enough "oomph" to be an enjoyable listen. In terms of comfort, assuming the EDC3 has the same nozzle width as the EDC (which is about 3mm, somebody correct me if I'm mistaken), it's a very comfy iem for long listening sessions.
Now as for Etymotics, I've recently purchased the HF5 thru the recent drop (actually I'm on the fence for the ER3XR), at first, I found the fit rather 'violating' cause of the way the Etys go in your ear is a little deeper than I expected. But it is easy to get used to. It has become feeling both comfy and secure. Regarding the sound, you will definitely hear everything in your music, where everything is presented balanced, meaning highs are forward without the sibilance, mids are well presented, with the HF5 ever so slightly bumping up the bass. But where all the other iems fail, the Etys desimates...is Isolation. The isolation on the Etys is spectacular to say the least, as better isolations leads to better focus... simply, you focus on the honest sound being presented to you, everything else, disappears. For comparison, I have the Fiio F5, F9, FH1, F9 Pro, TFZ Series 5, 5s, and Exclusive 5, Kinera H3, Nuforce EDC and BE6i, Thinksound ON2, ATH-MSR7se, AKG K181, but the Ety HF5 desimates them all in isolation. That IS saying something ;) (Hence, why I am on the fence on these ER3 as they are reviewed to be better than the HF5)
So imho, to sum it up:
Comfort: Nuforce EDC and Ety HF5 - same as they both have slender nozzles. Both are secure as the EDC has the over the ear pre-formed cable and the Etys deep insertion.
Sound: Nuforce is a laid back, 'enjoy-your-music' presentation. Etys HF5 is analytical, hear everything as it was mixed or intended (it is also enjoyable due to the slight bump in bass.
Isolation: Nuforce EDC is somewhere on the average passive isolation, similar to most non-ciems. Etys HF5 cancels out the world around you so you can focus on your music.
These are my opinions only. Except for isolation, I couldn't say that one is better than the other as they both have their own sound signatures, that will suit different genres, different tastes and various moods even.
Cheers! (pardon me for the lengthy read)
I recieved the ER3-SE’s for a graduation present, and I can honestly say I love these headphones. The midrange is very clean and smooth, and the highs are detailed without sibilance. The only thing about getting the SE version is the lack of bass, but this can be solved using an EQ to achieve a nice bass slam. Isolation is crazy good, I was using these on a flight and on my iPhone 7, I barely turned it past a quarter volume to block out all outside noise.
For those deciding between the SE and XR versions, I did my own listening tests between the two and found that: the XR has better bass quantity and bass slam, but suffers slight midrange clarity. The SE has very little bass quantity and almost no bass slam without some sort of EQ, but the midrange is super clean. As you can see, there’s a bit of trade off between the two, bass quantity and slam, or slight midrange clarity (let me note that it is a pretty slight difference in clarity, but it was enough for me to not want the XR version). I went with the SE version because I found that you could EQ the bass up to achieve an enjoyable slam and still retain the clarity of the stock SE.
Hope this helps with any decisions!
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Either I use the software Foobar2000‘s built-in EQ on my computer, or just Spotify’s on my iPhone 7.
SephHaley
Nice! I'm glad to hear you were not using some of those super expensives daps like astell and Kern or ibasso, I might go for the se instead of the xr
Got mine today. Been listening for two hours! They're everything I remember about my HF5. Can't do a direct comparison because the HF5 is long gone. The isolation is second to none, and the triple flanges are more comfortable than my cIEMs. Despite ordering the XR, I can't say these are anything but dead neutral. I have some real bass monsters in my lineup, and these are not that at all. I love the sound signature, it's just smooth and level. Bass extension is there, it's just not emphasized. You get used to it pretty quick!
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What cIEM is it? I guess I'm the outcast, though I only have one pair of customs. They're the HiFiMan RE-1000 (same price range as you). I have good comfort, OK attenuation, and good SQ (though the signature isn't my favorite, the quality is good overall). Bad SQ and comfort typically means a bad fit if I'm not mistaken. I guess bad CS would ruin that as well as refits require courses through the CS department.
I'm waiting for my SE to come back from Etymotic, who I know has good CS though (they replaced a pair of HF2 that were like 4 years out of warranty at no charge even when they couldn't reproduce the issue I was having).
Isn't this the entire idea behind a cIEM? That they custom fit it to your ear. If it's not done properly, then it will be very uncomfortable. But assuming a couple things 1) the impressions are done properly and accurately and 2) the IEMs are molded properly and accurately, then they should be one of the, if not the, most comfortable IEMs available for anyone.
Reading below it seems that the OP's IEMs may not have a good fit (something went wrong) which would result in discomfort, bad SQ, and bad isolation (he states all three). Granted it's possible for each of these problems to appear independently of one another, but a single issue (bad fit) can account for all three. Then the comment about bad CS seems like the customer service was bad which means getting a refit may not be possible for him so he's left with a 700 dollar paper weight (a bad paper weight I might add) and a lot of buyer's remorse.
I received mine on Saturday, and the left driver didn't work, swapped the buds around (switching the left and right buds on the cable) and the left still didn't work. My cable is defective. Contacted Massdrop and haven't received a response yet.
The funny thing is that Etymotic HQ is literally a 15 minute drive for me :p
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I contacted Etymotic CS to see how much an out of warranty cable would cost. They told me that since Massdrop was one of their official distributors, I was actually under warranty.
tinyman392
Awesome! Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of us.
Is this drop coming back?
Waiting to hear some feedback regarding the warranty on these before purchasing. Standard drops sold through Massdrop only carry a 30 day warranty unless otherwise noted. If that’s the case than the extra $30 to buy through Etymotic is well worth it for a 2 year warranty. You’ll get it sooner too.
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all good man,
I ended up cancelling my order. yeah, I was saving a little from buying it from an Australian Re-seller but for an extra AU$34 the 2 year warranty is worth it, for me anyways.
I'll need to check out those Campfire Audio Comet earphones. The design is nothing like I have seen before.
Boy you was wrong, at least according to Tinyman. He reports that Etymotic covers the sales through here with their two year warranty because massdrop is an authorized reseller, or rather; official distributor.
How do these compare to the EDC3s?
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aka_cucumbers
I’ve never tried NuForce IEMs, but I’ve always been highly impressed with the Etymotics for comfort, sound:value, and isolation.
I couldn't tell.
What's the accuracy on these IEMs? I don't find it anywhere, not even on their site...
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Oh, God... :) I was asking about their accuracy from the same measuring system they used creating " flattest and some of the well matched ", not from another third party measuring site... That's why I asked for accuracy and not frequency or THD graphs.
I need this accuracy because this is the reason I buy Etymotic. For accuracy and for sound isolation. Are these similar/same with ER•4?
My ears are different OFC, but these are deep inserting IEMs, that is the reason they are deep inserting... to bypass the pinna reflections. Search the Internet for why Etymotic are considered one of the flattest sounding earphones around.
But it seems that now is too late anyway, I still have ER•4 around, but I was curious if they are the same or close.
No kidding. I think the response accuracy might be in regards to channel balance, like matching left and right to one another.., I don't think they can fairly say "response is 95 percent accurate" universally and absolutely lol. Afterall, I've seen reports of their sine wave performance, and the performance there was pretty undesirable. Now, I'm not an expert on that figure, but it looks arguably worse than something like the AKG k553, or many other headphones, and the k553 is not great there either.. But like i said, i'm no expert on that, I've yet to see a good sine wave performer. Also, on the ety site they limit the headphones frequency response rating to 15,000 hz, however, it really drops off, i think around 2000-5000hz. Anyhow, for the run i think it's probably petty good. That said, again, i think they mean in response to channel balance when saying "response accuracy". Inner fidelity did a review. And there some more analysis in the differences in frequency response between the 3's and the 4's on head-fi. I think for the XR model, the three's are basically the same as the fours in "frequency response", and word on the street is the er3xr and er4xr use the same driver, and that the 3xr has a lower impedance because of resistor difference, which would explain why they have the same response to the analysis..,
How do these compare to the HF3? I have a pair that I bought in 2014 that I've recently started using again with the triple flange tips. Previously only used the foam tips. They sound better than I remembered. Very detailed, bass is there but not emphasized.
sucram65
They’re a few steps up their tier of models. Still mostly neutral/flat (especially the Studio Edition SE), but more articulate.
sucram65
Yeah, me I like flat response for headphones. This way i can compensate for my own hearing, or if I'm running subwoofers in the room or not.. Having a flat response is easy to tweak. So, if im sharing with someone, i can apply an iso compensation for a general human, but use the same headphones for my specific hearing. Having curves and "targets" outside of the target for flatness i feel is dis-serving. Practically anyone can apply an eq'. I know ety claims they go after target too.., I rather have the instruments reproduce whats put in, without coloration, and leave the tweaking to the computer devices or electronic equipment. That's just my preference though, and i could be in the wrong camp. =) But for accuracy and preferences, my bro's hearing is going to be very different from mine, so were going to have to eq anyways, simplest to go from a flat-line, and have the computer do the individual compensation, not the fixed hardware, imo and i think the whole targets thing is a farce to cover up short-comings in reproduction.. Afterall, my hearing can be very different then the ISO standard for "average persons hearing", so anyone tuning could be, no WOULD BE tuning against me, or practically anyone else. Cheers.