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Etymotic ER3SE & ER3XR IEMs

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I’m curious. Awhile back I was watching an R2R dac. People hammered the company because the design was so close to another, they felt it was illegally copied. They were upset with Massdrop for allowing it to be listed. I though they were off base but then that’s my opinion. Now I look at these and I see Klipsch X 10-11 and 12 design Being copied. The Dac was just a generic design but this shape is very unique to earphones.
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Rotorooter
Etymotic have been in business since 1983. They have had this style of headphone since 1991 (see the ER-4). If anything Klipsch took the design that Etymotic Research Originated and made the x11i (Came out in 2013 I think). This design style was copied, but not by Etymotic.
Whyaskit
Klipsch started the X series in 2008. Without checking I think it was an X-8 or 9. As I said to Luke Klipsch just modernized the basic design so they did use Etymotic concept. I was just curious because so many people got upset about the R2R Dac. I didn’t understand because honestly there is just a limited scope on designs. I mean like how much really difference is there between a basic turntable or amp from one manufacturer to another. Same thing with speakers and Dacs.
I currently own the MK5 and I like the natural tonality and realistc rendering of higher frequencies (although they lack some brillance and sparkle in the upper most frequencies for me), but the entire balance is a bit off to my ears. They are too mid-focused and have a tad too little bass. I wonder if the ER3XR would do the trick here? Or do the MK5 already have similar bass to the ER3XR, or rather comparable to the ER3SE? Not quite sure if the ER3XR would really be a big step up compared to the MK5. Please if someone has heard both, let me know if I should order the ER3XR to replace my MK5. Thanks, O.
The ER3XR or the FiiO F9 Pro? Really need some suggestions.
Abiromu
ER3.
Can anyone tell me if these would work with a MEE Audio BTX1 Bluetooth wireless cable? Can't seem to find what the connection is. Thank you
what was the price here on massdrop for these bad bois?
ojciecpolak
Usd150
Any way to get a microphone cable for these bad boys?
I'm a performing musician and have invested thousands in custom IEMs from Future Sonics and Sensaphonics. Of paramount importance to me is sound quality and isolation. I bought the ER3XRs (I used to have the ER4-P-Ts but lost them). They are far and away the best isolating and sounding IEMs I've used. The FS and Sensaphonics didn't isolate as well and neither of them had the midrange clarity and truth in sound that I like. I'm a bass player, so low end is important. The ER3XRs don't slam the low end, Future Sonics are pretty good at that, but in a live situation, having massive low end isn't such a great thing as it creates ear fatigue and exacerbates my tinnitus. These days I get to hear all the clarity and imaging of a well mic'ed drum set, the vocals, and everything else like never before. I highly recommend them. I'm really tempted to get a back up pair at this price.
I'm using Metric Halo 3d interfaces for my D/A, so that helps create the wonderful sound, but they also sound very good from other sources, including iPads and iPhones.
Can anyone give me a measurement on the diameter of the 3.5mm jack housing? (The plastic piece right before the jack)
Er3xr vs ue 900 can any one compare this
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Only tell about good sounded from both ue900s and er3xr.both in same priece like149 and 179 usd
Riya51
I've tried the Er3xr, and I own the Ue900s. The er3xr have better isolation. And the accoustics (Drums, Guitars) sound sharper on the er3xr, also the the treble is very precise, but not overpowering. The Ue900s have amazing separation, better sound stage, and the bass is a bit cleaner, personally I would go for the er3xr, but it depends on what you are looking for.
Guys which are the foams for them? On Etymotic site there are ER38-14F and ER38-14FE, but none of them is indicated as for ER3.
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Sensaphonics, in Chicago makes them. Check their website for approved audiologists to get your impressions made and they have their own lab create them. I can tell you that they make quality ear plugs made to fit the Ety filters, I'm sure they can deliver what you're looking for. BTW, Etymotics is also local (Elk Grove, IL) so they know each other very well. http://store.sensaphonics.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductCode=ETY%2DSLEEVES%2DEARPHONES
https://www.etymotic.com/consumer/custom-fit/
I think you're in the dying empire, so you can locate an audiologist, get the impressions/tips from them by following the info there.
I loved my ER6i before they broke. How do these compare?
4uRo4
There’s really no comparison. The new ER3 series is simply on another level of sound quality, and I say this having listened to the new models and the 6i very recently. If you prefer the bass-light, mid-centric sound that Etymotic is known for, get the 3SE. It’s amazing. If you’re willing to sacrifice mids for highs and want to hear a bass-heavy, distinctly un-Etymotic sound, the 3XR is a great V-shaped sound that's still clear and detailed. Hope that helps!
toniidesu
Thanks. Got the ER3XR in the mail and loving them. Any recommendations for a portable DAC to go along with it?
how much more different is the ER4XR and the EX3R?
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@GiantHeadphoneSquid thanks for the sober response. :) I actually returned my first pair of 3XRs and after listening to the second pair for 8 hours on Amtrak, I freely concede the sound can't truly be called "V-shaped." I've revised my mini review accordingly, but I stand by my assertion that the 3SE sounds more similar to the 4XR than the 3XR does. While the target reference curve may be the same, I don't think we should underestimate the difference that halving the impedance makes–as I'm sure you know, impedance is not uniform across frequencies, so the difference in sound can't be fully described by the slightly looser matching tolerance. It's kind of like the ER4PT vs the ER4S, which are well known for sounding more different than the impedance measurement might suggest.
toniidesu
Glad to hear you arrived at a pair of Etys that you enjoy. I take my ER3XR on the bus with me everyday, it’s a joy to have isolation and amazing sound to go :) I agree that the biggest difference between the lines is the impedance magnitude. It makes doing a direct back to back comparison very difficult, since I have to adjust my source volume to compensate, which forces my brain to compensate in the interim. The ER4P/T and S sounds differ due to less series resistance in the cable of the P/T, not difference in the transducer impedance like between 3/4. This results in a slightly more rolled off sound, but was a subtle difference. It was also easy to compensate for via an external series impedance. The ER3 and ER4 , however, use different drivers that have different impedance (both average, and likely vs. frequency); the difference is not from cable loading variation to the same driver. This is likely less linear and also less consistent between individual driver elements.
In contrast, Ety themselves noted that the XR/SR tuning variation was outside of the range possible for a simple passive impedance adapter even to the same transducers (specifically the ER4). . . many folks were very curious if an adapter would be released when the line was announced but were promptly shut down.
While we can only speculate if the extra ER3 variation correlates with frequency to have a filtering effect, we can at least qualify the magnitude of its potential effect according to Ety's tolerance specs:
I get in trouble when I don't let computers do the math for me, but we can approximate the envelope of allowable variation by adding the worst case manufacturing variations (aka your ER4 and ER3 vary in exactly the opposite and maximum extent, a perfect storm delta between the pair) as 15%+8% = 23% or about -1.2 dB, whereas the boost for the XR looks more on the order of 5-6 dB.
Is there any new update on the delivery date?
CWHSG
a couple of days ago got an email from MD that the shipment will be delayed. then yesterday, got an email that the item has been shipped.
hopefully u got the same notification.
cheers!
would anyone consider this better than the EDC3 and is it worth $50 more?
BIGGUY4x4
Not sure if this qualifies to answer ur question coz I didn't join the EDC3 drop...
However, I do have the Nuforce EDC and Nuforce BE6i... and in terms of sound, I find Nuforce to be "fun" sounding, meaning, to my ears, it's emphasis is on the bass, which is not a 'negative' by all means. But it doesn't muddy-up the mids, nor overpower the highs. The Nuforce has just enough definition to hear slight nuances to your music, and gives it just enough "oomph" to be an enjoyable listen. In terms of comfort, assuming the EDC3 has the same nozzle width as the EDC (which is about 3mm, somebody correct me if I'm mistaken), it's a very comfy iem for long listening sessions.
Now as for Etymotics, I've recently purchased the HF5 thru the recent drop (actually I'm on the fence for the ER3XR), at first, I found the fit rather 'violating' cause of the way the Etys go in your ear is a little deeper than I expected. But it is easy to get used to. It has become feeling both comfy and secure. Regarding the sound, you will definitely hear everything in your music, where everything is presented balanced, meaning highs are forward without the sibilance, mids are well presented, with the HF5 ever so slightly bumping up the bass. But where all the other iems fail, the Etys desimates...is Isolation. The isolation on the Etys is spectacular to say the least, as better isolations leads to better focus... simply, you focus on the honest sound being presented to you, everything else, disappears. For comparison, I have the Fiio F5, F9, FH1, F9 Pro, TFZ Series 5, 5s, and Exclusive 5, Kinera H3, Nuforce EDC and BE6i, Thinksound ON2, ATH-MSR7se, AKG K181, but the Ety HF5 desimates them all in isolation. That IS saying something ;) (Hence, why I am on the fence on these ER3 as they are reviewed to be better than the HF5)
So imho, to sum it up:
Comfort: Nuforce EDC and Ety HF5 - same as they both have slender nozzles. Both are secure as the EDC has the over the ear pre-formed cable and the Etys deep insertion.
Sound: Nuforce is a laid back, 'enjoy-your-music' presentation. Etys HF5 is analytical, hear everything as it was mixed or intended (it is also enjoyable due to the slight bump in bass.
Isolation: Nuforce EDC is somewhere on the average passive isolation, similar to most non-ciems. Etys HF5 cancels out the world around you so you can focus on your music.
These are my opinions only. Except for isolation, I couldn't say that one is better than the other as they both have their own sound signatures, that will suit different genres, different tastes and various moods even.
Cheers! (pardon me for the lengthy read)
I recieved the ER3-SE’s for a graduation present, and I can honestly say I love these headphones. The midrange is very clean and smooth, and the highs are detailed without sibilance. The only thing about getting the SE version is the lack of bass, but this can be solved using an EQ to achieve a nice bass slam. Isolation is crazy good, I was using these on a flight and on my iPhone 7, I barely turned it past a quarter volume to block out all outside noise.
For those deciding between the SE and XR versions, I did my own listening tests between the two and found that: the XR has better bass quantity and bass slam, but suffers slight midrange clarity. The SE has very little bass quantity and almost no bass slam without some sort of EQ, but the midrange is super clean. As you can see, there’s a bit of trade off between the two, bass quantity and slam, or slight midrange clarity (let me note that it is a pretty slight difference in clarity, but it was enough for me to not want the XR version). I went with the SE version because I found that you could EQ the bass up to achieve an enjoyable slam and still retain the clarity of the stock SE.
Hope this helps with any decisions!
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Either I use the software Foobar2000‘s built-in EQ on my computer, or just Spotify’s on my iPhone 7.
SephHaley
Nice! I'm glad to hear you were not using some of those super expensives daps like astell and Kern or ibasso, I might go for the se instead of the xr
Got mine today. Been listening for two hours! They're everything I remember about my HF5. Can't do a direct comparison because the HF5 is long gone. The isolation is second to none, and the triple flanges are more comfortable than my cIEMs. Despite ordering the XR, I can't say these are anything but dead neutral. I have some real bass monsters in my lineup, and these are not that at all. I love the sound signature, it's just smooth and level. Bass extension is there, it's just not emphasized. You get used to it pretty quick!
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What cIEM is it? I guess I'm the outcast, though I only have one pair of customs. They're the HiFiMan RE-1000 (same price range as you). I have good comfort, OK attenuation, and good SQ (though the signature isn't my favorite, the quality is good overall). Bad SQ and comfort typically means a bad fit if I'm not mistaken. I guess bad CS would ruin that as well as refits require courses through the CS department.
I'm waiting for my SE to come back from Etymotic, who I know has good CS though (they replaced a pair of HF2 that were like 4 years out of warranty at no charge even when they couldn't reproduce the issue I was having).
Isn't this the entire idea behind a cIEM? That they custom fit it to your ear. If it's not done properly, then it will be very uncomfortable. But assuming a couple things 1) the impressions are done properly and accurately and 2) the IEMs are molded properly and accurately, then they should be one of the, if not the, most comfortable IEMs available for anyone.
Reading below it seems that the OP's IEMs may not have a good fit (something went wrong) which would result in discomfort, bad SQ, and bad isolation (he states all three). Granted it's possible for each of these problems to appear independently of one another, but a single issue (bad fit) can account for all three. Then the comment about bad CS seems like the customer service was bad which means getting a refit may not be possible for him so he's left with a 700 dollar paper weight (a bad paper weight I might add) and a lot of buyer's remorse.
I received mine on Saturday, and the left driver didn't work, swapped the buds around (switching the left and right buds on the cable) and the left still didn't work. My cable is defective. Contacted Massdrop and haven't received a response yet.
The funny thing is that Etymotic HQ is literally a 15 minute drive for me :p
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I contacted Etymotic CS to see how much an out of warranty cable would cost. They told me that since Massdrop was one of their official distributors, I was actually under warranty.
tinyman392
Awesome! Thanks for clearing that up for the rest of us.
Is this drop coming back?
Waiting to hear some feedback regarding the warranty on these before purchasing. Standard drops sold through Massdrop only carry a 30 day warranty unless otherwise noted. If that’s the case than the extra $30 to buy through Etymotic is well worth it for a 2 year warranty. You’ll get it sooner too.
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all good man,
I ended up cancelling my order. yeah, I was saving a little from buying it from an Australian Re-seller but for an extra AU$34 the 2 year warranty is worth it, for me anyways.
I'll need to check out those Campfire Audio Comet earphones. The design is nothing like I have seen before.
Boy you was wrong, at least according to Tinyman. He reports that Etymotic covers the sales through here with their two year warranty because massdrop is an authorized reseller, or rather; official distributor.
How do these compare to the EDC3s?
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aka_cucumbers
I’ve never tried NuForce IEMs, but I’ve always been highly impressed with the Etymotics for comfort, sound:value, and isolation.
I couldn't tell.
What's the accuracy on these IEMs? I don't find it anywhere, not even on their site...
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Oh, God... :) I was asking about their accuracy from the same measuring system they used creating " flattest and some of the well matched ", not from another third party measuring site... That's why I asked for accuracy and not frequency or THD graphs.
I need this accuracy because this is the reason I buy Etymotic. For accuracy and for sound isolation. Are these similar/same with ER•4?
My ears are different OFC, but these are deep inserting IEMs, that is the reason they are deep inserting... to bypass the pinna reflections. Search the Internet for why Etymotic are considered one of the flattest sounding earphones around.
But it seems that now is too late anyway, I still have ER•4 around, but I was curious if they are the same or close.
No kidding. I think the response accuracy might be in regards to channel balance, like matching left and right to one another.., I don't think they can fairly say "response is 95 percent accurate" universally and absolutely lol. Afterall, I've seen reports of their sine wave performance, and the performance there was pretty undesirable. Now, I'm not an expert on that figure, but it looks arguably worse than something like the AKG k553, or many other headphones, and the k553 is not great there either.. But like i said, i'm no expert on that, I've yet to see a good sine wave performer. Also, on the ety site they limit the headphones frequency response rating to 15,000 hz, however, it really drops off, i think around 2000-5000hz. Anyhow, for the run i think it's probably petty good. That said, again, i think they mean in response to channel balance when saying "response accuracy". Inner fidelity did a review. And there some more analysis in the differences in frequency response between the 3's and the 4's on head-fi. I think for the XR model, the three's are basically the same as the fours in "frequency response", and word on the street is the er3xr and er4xr use the same driver, and that the 3xr has a lower impedance because of resistor difference, which would explain why they have the same response to the analysis..,
How do these compare to the HF3? I have a pair that I bought in 2014 that I've recently started using again with the triple flange tips. Previously only used the foam tips. They sound better than I remembered. Very detailed, bass is there but not emphasized.
sucram65
They’re a few steps up their tier of models. Still mostly neutral/flat (especially the Studio Edition SE), but more articulate.
sucram65
Yeah, me I like flat response for headphones. This way i can compensate for my own hearing, or if I'm running subwoofers in the room or not.. Having a flat response is easy to tweak. So, if im sharing with someone, i can apply an iso compensation for a general human, but use the same headphones for my specific hearing. Having curves and "targets" outside of the target for flatness i feel is dis-serving. Practically anyone can apply an eq'. I know ety claims they go after target too.., I rather have the instruments reproduce whats put in, without coloration, and leave the tweaking to the computer devices or electronic equipment. That's just my preference though, and i could be in the wrong camp. =) But for accuracy and preferences, my bro's hearing is going to be very different from mine, so were going to have to eq anyways, simplest to go from a flat-line, and have the computer do the individual compensation, not the fixed hardware, imo and i think the whole targets thing is a farce to cover up short-comings in reproduction.. Afterall, my hearing can be very different then the ISO standard for "average persons hearing", so anyone tuning could be, no WOULD BE tuning against me, or practically anyone else. Cheers.
If you have ANY Etymotic product, in ANY condition (broken, etc) you are eligible for the Etymotic "Out-of-Warranty & Special Purchase Options"
The ER3 series is sold at $125 in that programme, direct from Etymotic.com
I've owned the ER3XR for about 2 months now, got them at MSRP, and use them frequently. Ask me anything.
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Thanks mate, Just ordered a pair for myself.
What made you pick the XR's over the LS200s. For me it was the price difference. A savings of AU$100 Australian dollars is a lot to me and that is based off the MSRP off Amazon.
MSRP in Australia for the LS200s is AU$449
DanielStein
I bought the XRs over everything else I was considering due to good price/performance and the isolation on the XRs just outclasses anything else I've ever used.
It also has good strengths (detail, somewhat emphasized bass) for the music that I like.
Anyone knows what about the warranty on these? With IEMs that naturally prone to damage and breakage over time a lot more than on/over-ear headphones, 2-Year replacement warranty that Etymotic officially offer for it is really a necessity I would definitely pay a little bit extra for that warranty. There is just nothing about the warraty in the description.
talkaplan4474
also interested in warranty details
talkaplan4474
I don’t have any warranty details, but I do have a 13 year old pair of Etymotic ER•6i. Still work great, and the filter system helped prevent irreparable earwax clogs (which killed my CIEMs 😢).
I have a very old well worn set of Klipsch X10 IEM’s which share this form factor. I keep them because of their isolation properties. I have better multi driver IEM‘s and headphones so thesevwould only be used innoisy airplanes etc where I want to block out as much noise as possible while still getting a good sound. Can someone comment on this comparison? For me this is a good price for a limited use item. I like the X10’s but they are not very revealing.
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So it's done anyway. I'll post my impressions against the X10's when I get them. Cheers!
No, but I was worried about the comments here on the warranty. And also needed them before a trip this week (MD is shipping in June). Please do post the impressions!
Personal experience with the ER4SR as apparently they are tuned the same as this offering. SR vs. XR = picked up the SR after feedback emphasizing lower frequency response curve may impede upper frequencies (XR). These are single driver IEM so good luck in expecting balanced frequencies on both ends of the curve with these. Armature excel at high frequency so I decided to commit to the best offering a best case armature could provide. I found the ER4SR on sale new for $270 and consider this a good buy as I appreciate the aluminum housings. Plastic housing on these tiny buds would feel very cheap and scratch very easy I presume.
The sound the ER4SR gives is articulate. This is where the love comes from for Etymotic buds. I use a very good Amp / DAC to accommodate the buds although not required but in doing so I know just how articulate the sound these IEMs can provide. It can be a very intimate listening experience with good source music. Key is good source music. Argue the difference in compression, bit, DSD, Flaq, Wave, etc. but I would not want to listen to any source using cheap compression as these are a very revealing IEM. Using Tidal Hifi I can immediately tell when a track is either old analog, old analog remastered or new high definition or simply a bad recording. There is a dramatic difference. Again, once you plug into a long familiar song at 1411kbps remastered these buds are a personal, intimate connection with that track. It can be intoxicating as is the draw on any high quality music listening experience.
These IEMs isolate well. This was my primary purpose in purchasing Etymotic. I wanted isolation and detail. I can't see the reason anyone would settle for noise cancellation while sacrificing fidelity. Etymotic does this in spades. Good luck with your tips as this is an adventure on its own with flange, foam, rubber, etc. I ended up with generic brand silicone that isolate and are easy to insert / remove as necessary in an office environment.
The caveat with the Eytymotic is the single driver. If you purchase these as a top of the line IEM in your collection they should be wonderful with the understanding bass is and will always be under emphasized on these IEMs. I use them for acoustic singer song writer tunes and they are wonderful. If I want to get lost in some rock or EDM then these will not be my choice. If you purchase these as a step in the expensive path of a fidelity "jones" you may decide to purchase a nice quality multiple armature driver IEM as sold on Massdrop frequently. When you find that set of IEM's that have multiple drivers that represent low, mid, high frequencies in quality and detail as the one found in the Etymotic then it is a hard sell to put them away to grab the Ety's. Beware.
Enjoy the music!
Rosiebar
Have a recommendation on multi driver IEMs? I love my HF5s and will probably be buying a pair of these because for me the Ety fit is the easiest to use for long times. The other aspect is the clarity is unlike anything I have used before I just keep coming back to it over and over again. I listen to rock/posthardcore mostly and the lack of bass has never bothered me but I dont know where to go from the HF5 other than higher end Ety models.
xfloggingkylex
This proved a challenge in that I wanted clarity, balance and isolation but already had the Ety's so I wanted a step up in IEM. Basically, if one driver sounds this good what can I get with multiple drivers. This opened a whole lot of IEM offerings where some specific models stand out as excellent options. Problem is price of course. After reading up on Westone, MEE, several Chinese brands with swap-able filters I was left with either purchasing a custom mold set at a grand or more or settling on the Shure 846s or Astell&Kern Angie. Both impress but both are expensive. If your aggressive in shopping for a deal you can get a like new, open box for a couple hundred less but stay clear of imitations as there are many. Luckily I found a set of ATH LS400's that seem to be little known except for one review on Major HiFi and some anecdotal forum info. What keyed me into these IEM's was the Major Hifi reviewers experience with the Shure 846s and how he referenced them in relation to the LS400s at a price of $300 less. I found the LS400s for $310 open box new so I grabbed them. After finding a good set of ear tips I found my isolation and balance that is on par with a 1k set of over ear, closed back headphones I have. I was impressed and tend to use them more then any other IEM, headphone I have as they sound balanced, detailed and best of all they get out of the way and let me listen to the music. So... I would suggest "not" spending over $500 for the Angies or 846s. I would also recommend "not" selecting any IEM that does not have at least three drivers with each driver dedicated to representing a low, mid, or high (armature). Be wary of any IEM that has two drivers dedicated to low if your primarily looking for mids and highs. If your able to find a pair of authentic Shure846s (not 5 series), Astell&Kern Angies or LS400s at a good price then I would grab them.
Also, remember that any IEM with a dynamic driver will require venting which will compromise isolation so I prefer an armature driver dedicated to each frequency in range compensating for the lack of a dynamic driver.
Good luck man.
Here is a head-fi review of them. Apparently they share the same stellar sound quality of the ER4. I linked the ER3XR as the ER3SE are diffuse field tuned. Diffuse field response curves are too bright and tinny for most tastes so i recommend the slightly elevated bass response for most tastes. The Harman response curve supports this. Only get the SE if you work mixing/mastering or recording music and do in fact want to be attacked by your music! XD https://www.head-fi.org/showcase/etymotic-er3xr.22904/reviews
Cyrthazil
I have heard both, and the SE is not much brighter than the XR version, definitely not sibilant to say the least.
Pro . . . tip. If the small triple flanges are uncomfortable on first insertion, go strait to the large tips. The smalls felt like they were scrapping my ear. Large ones are super comfortable and a great seal.
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Pantomime
Shure olives FTW
Pantomime
It’s bizzare... most IEMs I need the smallest eartip option possible, but the large triple-flange Ety tips fit me best and better than any other silicone eartip I’ve tried. Every other brand I tend to stick with foams.
Having bought the EDC3 recently, I wonder whether to buy this, or wait for ER4XR to drop instead. Any suggestions? Also, is this drop coming with the 2 year warranty from Etymotic?
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ER4s are not completely made in the US. They are assembled in the US. Etymotic is a reputable company. There's no reason to worry about the quality regardless of the manufacture location.
i don't suppose anything in "clarity" changes if you put the ER4 cable on the ER3? Thanks for contributing your finding. =)