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Fallkniven F1Z Survival Knife VG-10 w/ Zytel Sheath

Fallkniven F1Z Survival Knife VG-10 w/ Zytel Sheath

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A premium fixed blade that comes complete with a sleek carrying case, the Fallkniven F1z Knife features enough function for survival and utility. As the official survival weapon of the Swedish Air Force, the F1 is made with extra tough laminated VG10 steel Read More

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Daisy_Cutter
1288
May 23, 2018
If you have the extra cash, save a bit more and spring for the F1dz with Lam. CoS. It's amazing.
bookworm13
677
May 23, 2018
Or maybe just try the Mora Companion and find out that's all the knife you really need. 😁
Daisy_Cutter
1288
May 24, 2018
bookworm13So true
sean.b
15
Dec 15, 2018
VG-10 is actually a good steel for a "survival knife", created with toughness in mind. It is very similar to 154cm and ATS-34, with reduced Molybdenum to aid in resistance to chipping. That, along with a lower hardness of 59hrc and a laminated construction, make this steel as tough as 1095, but with superior edge retention and corrosion resistance. It has a similar carbon content to 1095, which makes it easy to sharpen as well. Really, this knife will never chip on any wood, unless you're stupid enough to smash it on a rock (cough cough Survival Lilly cough cough). All of the popular survival knives out there, like Kabar and ESEE, run their heat treat way too low and can't cut due to their ridiculous thicknesses and grinds. the convex grind on the Fallkniven F1 allows it to be a great slicer, while retaining a decent thickness for prying capabilities. The thermorun handle can handle anything you throw at it, and won't disintegrate after a year of use (talking to you, Cold Steel). The sheath is genius. It has a slim profile, so you can put it in the pocket of your pants, is box-shaped, which allows you to carry it in a mall unnoticed, and can get wet and also cleaned, unlike a leather sheath. This knife, guys, is the best survival knife on the planet. Whoever tells you otherwise probably likes to pretend to be Rambo in the woods, flailing their sharpened crowbar around whenever they go car camping, chopping and battoning piles of wood to make a nice, cozy fire, which grants them the satisfaction of thinking that they are the ultimate survival expert. (just joking around, this knife is a steal at 99 bucks, btw)
raest
111
Oct 16, 2020
sean.b"VG-10 is actually a good steel for a "survival knife", created with toughness in mind." LOL. no, "a lower hardness of 59hrc and a laminated construction, make this steel as tough as 1095" MEGALOL for a "survival knife" you want toughness, and a decently treated 1095 (and today most of them are) will be much better than VG10, as VG10 is nowhere near as tough as pretty much any decent tool steel (the laminated construction helps somewhat, but considering modern steels and heat treatments, it's just an unnecessary part if you know what you're doing) if you want a tough stainless, you go AEB-L, or maybe CPM154/RWL34 (not 154cm, but the PM version), or one of the custom high end heat treats people put on stuff like elmax (like TRC does). hell, 3V is very stain resistant and about 3 million times tougher... they'll all be much tougher at higher hardnesses, and retain an edge better (and not significantly harder to sharpen if you buy decent abrasives... i.e. not the 10$ china stones) don't get me wrong, it's a fine knife, and at this price a very good deal, particularly if you want a convex grind to train with as there aren't many cheaper than this.
sean.b
15
Oct 23, 2020
raestConsidering that we are discussing a 99 dollar knife, your options when it comes to picking a good steel are limited to the simplest alloys, or in the case of ''survival'' knives, 1095 is the one used by practically every brand (ESEE, Becker, TOPS, Schrade, even Mora uses a variation of this steel). Even when not looking at the price range, most of the steels you mentioned either require harder abrasives to maintain or a very good heat treat to be a viable option. AEB-L at 58 hrc is pretty much at the low-end of performance, practically on par with VG-10, same with CPM-154. Fun fact, the original Fallkniven knives used ATS-34 steel, which is the non-powdered version of RWL-34. Again, performance almost completely relies on geometry and heat treat, not steel. That basically means that the only chance for a person to obtain a good ''survival knife'' in stainless steel is to look at the custom market, spending 3 or 4 times the amount of the knife we are discussing right now. Now, I've used both VG-10 and CPM-3v, and in terms of impact and abrasion resistance against hard material, the results completely depend on the angle of the primary grind. The Fallkniven most likely will not fail you when you have a 45 degree inclusive edge on it, and will perform well with a more acute edge at the cost of losing toughness. If we are splitting hairs, then yes, obviously a supersteel will have the advantage over a simpler steel, if compared with the same Rockwell hardness and grind angle. But VG-10 is still a viable option just as 1095, 52100, AEB-L, O1, D2, etc, are not obsolete and are still popular picks: you have a very stain resistant knife with the ability to take a killer edge with minimal effort, moderate but acceptable toughness, wear resistance and strength, small carbides that allow a less toothy finish, with a cheap manufacturing and tooling process that allows for cheap budgets. All those factors considered, combined with a convex grind, sandwiched between two soft steels, and given a 4.5 mm thickness, you get a very low maintenance knife with an even lower maintenance rubber handle and plastic sheath, that can be sharpened back to shaving in 2 minutes with a pocket stone, that can handle all the basic tasks (game processing, food prep, wood processing and shaping, cutting through soft to medium hardness material, etc) with zero edge damage and more demanding tasks (chopping, prying, drilling, battoning, throwing, stabbing, etc) with limited edge damage, if any, and can be reground and sharpened in less than 5 minutes. Check out a destruction video of a Fallkniven A1 on YouTube, not many knives can survive that amount of damage. To conclude, for 99 dollars, emphasis on 99, as not many decent knives can achieve that low a price, you get a knife that has an excellent design, good geometry, convex grind, good sheath and handle, and a good BUDGET steel and heat treat. I would also love to see a 63 hrc CPM-3V knife out there for 99 bucks, but tis' but a pipe dream. If you are looking for a SURVIVAL knife, not a knife that can destroy car doors, split .50 BMG bullets in midair, and destroy 3 foot thick concrete slabs (in that case, grab a 52 hrc 5160 6/8 inch thick knife with a 60 degree inclusive and 0.1 inch behind the edge thickness, and I call that knife with some difficulty, because cutting anything will become quite a challenge to say the least) then look no further. I'm sure a Fallkniven F1 will suit any reasonable knife tasks given, and in a pinch can be abused without receiving too much damage. Given the option between 59 hrc VG-10 and 57 hrc 1095, I'll take VG-10 any day of the week, because it has more than enough toughness necessary, without all of the drawbacks of a soft carbon steel (not a good option for a knife, but very good as a machete or zombie-killing car hood slashing monster blade, which I admit can be fun to swing around in the backyard at times.) I hope I've reinforced the original point that I've made, which is that Fallkniven knives are a great option for an outdoor environment. If you want a tactical katana with a built-in grenade launcher, then yes, VG-10 is not tough enough for your needs. In the end, it's not a magic steel, just a nice cheap budget option that's been used in culinary knives for decades for a reason: it's good for cutting. With the added characteristics and lower hardness of a Fallkniven, it's good enough for beating on. If you think a real survival knife has to let you chop your way out of a prison cell or be used as an ice axe to climb Everest, that's probably because survival is an extremely overused word that will lead to nothing but never ending discussion among people with different concepts and assumptions of that term. In that case, everyone should form their own conclusions. I better stop typing because at this point this comment will go on forever... I seem to have a knack for wasting time on the web... peace out, my dudes
MooTaters
382
Oct 13, 2017
So is there a reason VG-10 knives seem to be so expensive? I ask because I bought my Spyderco Centofante III from amazon for $50 back in '09, which uses VG-10 steel. Edit: By the way I know that sometimes sheath and handle materials come into play, but I can't imagine $50+ worth of play.
ScottieG
253
Dec 10, 2017
I felt others may have been skeptical. Too often, some makers use a thin welded on rat's tail to connect the pummel. Also, other flight rescue knives I have seen have an enclosed partial tang to minimize the odds of electrocution and those with pummels did conduct electricity from the blade.
Rebuswind
228
Dec 10, 2017
ScottieGthe reason I said it is full tang is because that guy is asking why the price is high...full tang need more steel...so it may bring up the price. full tang is not better than partial tang or hide tang if they done by good knife maker. Fällkniven is very well established knife company, full tang and full convex grind blade are almost signature feature for them. I adore skeptic people, and I am a skeptic myself...but waste time on some company already being known to be truthful and quality driven is not something I can personally understand... I don't mean that good company won't do something like that, I am simply saying they have less chance to do it and people should not spend time to worrying about every company may fake things. or the whole 'building your reputation' is pointless...
Frankie79
21
Jul 25, 2017
Ok so my knife came. And I finally get it. I finally get massdrop. This knife is amazing I know it is but what I got ...what I got was a bent tip. And dulled blade...oh nevermind the fact I asked for an update Also the surprise of a 20$ delivery fee was just delightful.... I'll reprofile it myself. I have a flashlight coming then I'm done MD your a scam
allemander
182
Dec 9, 2017
Frankie79Credibility is easily increased with proper literacy.
Frankie79
21
Dec 10, 2017
allemanderOld and very regrettable review I wrote! An amazing knife.! As far as my grammar yup. It,s shit!
rharder
7
May 21, 2015
I love this knife. My F1 has been an every day carry knife for six years now, and I've used it for skinning animals, batoning wood, cutting boxes, and cutting pizza (with appropriate cleanings in between). I have the leather sheath, which I like because it makes the knife a little less scary to people when it's an EDC knife. People generally mistake it for a fishing fillet knife, which apparently is less offensive to people.
If the picture comes through, here's what it looks like now. (http://minus.com/i/btPa0FvAMhyrt)
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Is VG-10 chippable? Yeah, I guess so. Does it hold an awesome edge? Yes. Did mine come from the factory sharp? Maybe, I dunno, who cares? If you can't sharpen a knife, what is it, disposable?
Big win, this knife. I had considered a Bark River Bravo 1, which I'm sure I would have liked also, but the F1 is great.
Dallara
85
Feb 14, 2017
Joined this last drop on the Fallkniven F1. Was limited to 75 units. I made the drop, paid my money just like everyone else who joined, and Massdrop's took my $$$ gladly. Now I'm told that some of the knives have been shipped, but not all, with Massdrop now saying the rest of us will have to wait due to a "backorder". WTF? If the drop was limited to 75 units then they should have had 75 knives - and no backorders. No word on when the knife I paid for will ship. Just that there "may" be more info in a week. That's total BS. I want my money back.
JonasHeineman
5987
Apr 27, 2017
These are all valid points. I'm sorry that you had to ask, I thought we had reached out proactively. You're correct there is not as much coordination between online and offline communications and the people responsible for them I appreciate your candid reply; it helps to improve the areas in which we are weak. Because of comments like this, we do now have better visibility into the help tickets related to each drop. Again, this doesn't fix anything that already happened, but it does improve the community experience as a whole and I thank you for that, as well as for being quite calm and constructive about this considering your experience.
Dallara
85
Apr 27, 2017
JonasHeinemanSadly, though, I've become rather gunshy over the past year with Massdrop, as this is not the first instance of this kind of thing I have experienced. Likewise the support has been equally disjointed and disconnected in those drops, too. I was even told this last time by one of your staff that issues like this would no longer be addressed in the drop discussions, so I was rather surprised to see any sort of reply about the fumbling with the last Fallkniven drop. The impression given was that Massdrop didnt want to burden drop discussions with individual customer issues. Glad to see that policy has changed. Folks thinking about joining a drop need to know if there have been issues in the past with given items, vendors, etc. Transparency is always better that workings "behind the curtain." I appreciate that you're addressing these issues publicly. That said, I think it will be some time before I chance another drop, if ever.
PaLee
95
Sep 13, 2018
Good deal. Must resist
RHPICAYUNE
200
Dec 15, 2018
HA!, I had to laugh at your weakness and witty replies! So, a thumbs up for you ! I've NEVER NEVER given in to splurge or heat-of-the-moment purchases (nose grows 3 feet longer) Am trying my best to not add this to the other 3 gazillion knives in the safe....
RHPICAYUNE
200
Dec 15, 2018
PaLeeRESISTANCE IS FUTILE !
Fixall
274
Jul 13, 2018
Not to be a Negative Nancy... But I don't really understand the choice of steel. VG-10 on something that is marketed as a survival knife seems strange. I understand that VG-10 has great corrosion resistance, but I would personally want a tougher, less chippy steel on a survival knife.
Daisy_Cutter
1288
Sep 13, 2018
FixallApparently the combination of VG-10, laminated construction and convex grind in this blade make it much more robust than just the steel would suggest. Can't confirm this firsthand though, as I went straight for the Laminated Cobalt Steel F1dz.
Dutch7
53
Sep 13, 2018
FixallI know what you're saying, but I accept the tradeoffs and really like VG10. What's great about it, for me, is how easy it is to strop back to sharpness in the field. So for tasks like game processing and food prep, it's awesome and can be kept scary sharp with very little upkeep. While I own some knives in supersteels, I tend to like VG10 for this reason.
I never had a chipping problem with VG10, even with some hard use. That said, I tend to carry an axe and so don't do much batoning with my knives.
ISK
552
Apr 8, 2016
Hey Gang,
There was a little confusion with this drop and only the Zytel sheaths will be available. I apologize to anyone wanting leather but I was un-able to source leather sheaths for this drop.
donatella_nijuan
2
Jun 21, 2019
Did my due diligence, and found the same knife on Amazon for $93.00.
Jakob
378
Oct 18, 2020
My opologies, I am incorrect regarding the Terrasaur having wood scales but my opinion still stands that they are different enough knives to not really directly compete. I am aware the terava puuko is over moulded, I own it. I agree they are all geared towards outdoors and for similar scenarios what I am saying is that there are enough differences to justify paying more, and they are as stated, over all fit and finish and resistance to corrosion. The F1 will do things better than both the Condor and puuko due to material choices and convexed bevel. You may disagree with the significance of the differences but that is your personal subjective opinion, the objective facts remain and others may subjectively appreciate the value of those differences, that is all. I am not saying you are wrong, many may agree but you would be wrong to assume everyone would have that opinion. I am not going to argue spending $400 on a custom bushcraft knife with a custom heat treated 3V blade is stupid when it would perform the same as a Mora. There are differences that many will pay a premium for. I have a Spyderco Bushcraft UK. I then bought a Survive! GSO 3.5. You could argue that is silly, they are similar size and both could do the same tasks but there are differences in blade grind, one scandi, great for wood, the other saber, better for all around use. The steel is different, 3V is stain resistant and tougher. The difference between a scandi grind and a convex on the F1 is significant.
gn9703
11
Oct 18, 2020
Jakob It seems as though you must not even own the Condor in mistaking its handle construction. Besides, you're getting a tad over passionate in attempting to defend your views it seems for me to worry about me wasting too much more of my time debating what are subjective opinions on the matter. It was never my intention to convey that the Terrasaur or the Terava Jaakaripuukko were better knives; just a better value for essentially the same tasks. That's why I never considered buying an F1 personally. I agree that Fallkniven as a brand are wonderful knives and as mentioned own both an A1 and an S1. I was just never interested in an F1 because I believed there to be many more choices that were a better value giving comparable performance in its size range. For that matter, an SRK at 1/3rd the price is even a worthy competitor, although I'm sure you'll disagree. I certainly never meant to compare Moras to more expensive makers' models either although in truth there are many who will laud their functionality and value over many more expensive choices. My only point was to illustrate that there are many budget friendly knives that punch way above there weight when it comes to light duty camping and bushcraft chores and the F1 is in the light duty chore class. If you love your F1 and feel that it will do things better than any other knife its size, I'm happy for you in making the right choice for yourself. We're all welcome to our views and choices. Good luck to you, stay safe, and take care.
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Considering that we are discussing a 99 dollar knife, your options when it comes to picking a good steel are limited to the simplest alloys, or in the case of ''survival'' knives, 1095 is the one used by practically every brand (ESEE, Becker, TOPS, Schrade, even Mora uses a variation of this steel). Even when not looking at the price range, most of the steels you mentioned either require harder abrasives to maintain or a very good heat treat to be a viable option. AEB-L at 58 hrc is pretty much at the low-end of performance, practically on par with VG-10, same with CPM-154. Fun fact, the original Fallkniven knives used ATS-34 steel, which is the non-powdered version of RWL-34. Again, performance almost completely relies on geometry and heat treat, not steel. That basically means that the only chance for a person to obtain a good ''survival knife'' in stainless steel is to look at the custom market, spending 3 or 4 times the amount of the knife we are discussing right now. Now, I've used both VG-10 and CPM-3v, and in terms of impact and abrasion resistance against hard material, the results completely depend on the angle of the primary grind. The Fallkniven most likely will not fail you when you have a 45 degree inclusive edge on it, and will perform well with a more acute edge at the cost of losing toughness. If we are splitting hairs, then yes, obviously a supersteel will have the advantage over a simpler steel, if compared with the same Rockwell hardness and grind angle. But VG-10 is still a viable option just as 1095, 52100, AEB-L, O1, D2, etc, are not obsolete and are still popular picks: you have a very stain resistant knife with the ability to take a killer edge with minimal effort, moderate but acceptable toughness, wear resistance and strength, small carbides that allow a less toothy finish, with a cheap manufacturing and tooling process that allows for cheap budgets. All those factors considered, combined with a convex grind, sandwiched between two soft steels, and given a 4.5 mm thickness, you get a very low maintenance knife with an even lower maintenance rubber handle and plastic sheath, that can be sharpened back to shaving in 2 minutes with a pocket stone, that can handle all the basic tasks (game processing, food prep, wood processing and shaping, cutting through soft to medium hardness material, etc) with zero edge damage and more demanding tasks (chopping, prying, drilling, battoning, throwing, stabbing, etc) with limited edge damage, if any, and can be reground and sharpened in less than 5 minutes. Check out a destruction video of a Fallkniven A1 on YouTube, not many knives can survive that amount of damage. To conclude, for 99 dollars, emphasis on 99, as not many decent knives can achieve that low a price, you get a knife that has an excellent design, good geometry, convex grind, good sheath and handle, and a good BUDGET steel and heat treat. I would also love to see a 63 hrc CPM-3V knife out there for 99 bucks, but tis' but a pipe dream. If you are looking for a SURVIVAL knife, not a knife that can destroy car doors, split .50 BMG bullets in midair, and destroy 3 foot thick concrete slabs (in that case, grab a 52 hrc 5160 6/8 inch thick knife with a 60 degree inclusive and 0.1 inch behind the edge thickness, and I call that knife with some difficulty, because cutting anything will become quite a challenge to say the least) then look no further. I'm sure a Fallkniven F1 will suit any reasonable knife tasks given, and in a pinch can be abused without receiving too much damage. Given the option between 59 hrc VG-10 and 57 hrc 1095, I'll take VG-10 any day of the week, because it has more than enough toughness necessary, without all of the drawbacks of a soft carbon steel (not a good option for a knife, but very good as a machete or zombie-killing car hood slashing monster blade, which I admit can be fun to swing around in the backyard at times.) I hope I've reinforced the original point that I've made, which is that Fallkniven knives are a great option for an outdoor environment. If you want a tactical katana with a built-in grenade launcher, then yes, VG-10 is not tough enough for your needs. In the end, it's not a magic steel, just a nice cheap budget option that's been used in culinary knives for decades for a reason: it's good for cutting. With the added characteristics and lower hardness of a Fallkniven, it's good enough for beating on. If you think a real survival knife has to let you chop your way out of a prison cell or be used as an ice axe to climb Everest, that's probably because survival is an extremely overused word that will lead to nothing but never ending discussion among people with different concepts and assumptions of that term. In that case, everyone should form their own conclusions. I better stop typing because at this point this comment will go on forever... I seem to have a knack for wasting time on the web... peace out, my dudes
It seems as though you must not even own the Condor in mistaking its handle construction. Besides, you're getting a tad over passionate in attempting to defend your views it seems for me to worry about me wasting too much more of my time debating what are subjective opinions on the matter. It was never my intention to convey that the Terrasaur or the Terava Jaakaripuukko were better knives; just a better value for essentially the same tasks. That's why I never considered buying an F1 personally. I agree that Fallkniven as a brand are wonderful knives and as mentioned own both an A1 and an S1. I was just never interested in an F1 because I believed there to be many more choices that were a better value giving comparable performance in its size range. For that matter, an SRK at 1/3rd the price is even a worthy competitor, although I'm sure you'll disagree. I certainly never meant to compare Moras to more expensive makers' models either although in truth there are many who will laud their functionality and value over many more expensive choices. My only point was to illustrate that there are many budget friendly knives that punch way above there weight when it comes to light duty camping and bushcraft chores and the F1 is in the light duty chore class. If you love your F1 and feel that it will do things better than any other knife its size, I'm happy for you in making the right choice for yourself. We're all welcome to our views and choices. Good luck to you, stay safe, and take care.
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