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Grace Design m920

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Will this work with Massdrop x Fostex TH-X00 Ebony ? I have already bought CEntrance DACport Slim. Is the sound going to be better?
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Serz
I use a modded Matrix m-stage hpa-3u+ I bought from massdrop with my (bright) HE560. Stock matrix's dac sucked big time. The combo is pretty sweet. If you're thinking about spending big $$, may be you can buy a used Gumby + the hpa-3b (balanced version) and give it a spin and have much better setup.
Serz
I gotta say, you're comparing a $1400 product to a $100 product. I mean... I hope the m920 sounds better with a $1300 price difference lol
Too expensive for made in china version. This would sell like hot cakes priced at $450 to $500 bucks.
ludachris
Uh-huh! Except that your uncle is 'made in china' :D
ludachris
Made in China? I think it's made in the USA.
But darn it, this isn't Shit. I mean, what could be better than a Shit amp and a pair of HD6XX headphones? If only Massdrop would sell Shit equipment, all would be right with the world.
Schiit* Also Schiit stuff is already really well priced, that said I'd really love to see a Schiit Jotenheim on here.
Schiit has a philosophy of no sales/specials/whatever you want to call it. Their reasoning is basically so everyone gets the same price and there's little to no reason to wait to purchase to try and get some really good deal. That said of course upgrades happen like the Magni 3 being the regular $99 price for what is essentially the Magni 2 Uber.
I have an oppohe2se. I think it has a ess9028 qm or something. Does anyone know what the chip is in this?
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Elsid
Sabre ES9018-2M
DJ15
Es 9028 q2m. Oppoha2 se. Thanks. I looked it up. It's good! I'd like to hear the new ak something chip ? Wonder if it's warmer.
Finally something for the pricks that hate on smsl. You guys are all buying this, right?
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Owning 2 SMSL's is meaningless if you don't have a Grace to compare them to. You can be perfectly happy in your ignorance of what true transparency sounds like, and if you are I recommend not auditioning an m920. However, no SMSL I have heard (using the same cans, HD800's) has come anywhere close to my m903. You lose transparency, you add noise, the imaging is inferior.
That doesn't mean they are bad, they just aren't anywhere near as good. They are a great value, like I said I run an SMSL at work where my listening is rarely my focus and more just background and I am completely happy with them. But when I am sitting in my chair intently listening, where the listening is my sole focus, like I often do at home it just doesn't get the job done for me anymore.
There are plenty of places in audio where you can spend vast sums of money for relatively small increases in quality, I personally don't think the Grace m9xx series is one of those places, but I also buy my high end gear used mostly to lessen the pain. I got my m903 for ~$500, and at that price point there is zero chance of finding anything else in the same galaxy when it comes to sound and build quality, imo. At $1400 it gets a bit tougher, but for anyone with the disposable cash to spend they won't be disappointed.
dvn.clrk
I own a whole stock pile of DACs. There are no magical high end components to put into a Grace product that are already not in an smsl product. The cost of high-end components has fallen sharply Over The Last 5 Years there for you can buy a very high-end unit for a price of 400 or less dollars and have literally the most bleeding edge possible components in every single category. Considering smsl transparency with their use of high-end components it's pretty clear that you are definitely getting your money's worth. But it depends on which smsl product you purchase. If you have a low end all in one product then you cannot expect a high-end sound. But the quality of the sound is still incredible for the price even in the low end. But if you put their high-end product like a M8 or M8A or even M9 against any high-end product I think that it will be more than comparable. This has been my personal experiences when testing the smsl products against other higher-end products. I would be willing to bet my whole stock of gear that you could not reliably A/B test your grace product against any of my Chinese high-end products.
Keeping the price down with a remote?
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From Last drop, like 3-4 months ago
I just checked my transactions, the last drop was 6 month ago, but I did not use it much.
The m920 may still be a very good value at $1399, even now when it's getting a little long in the tooth. But the truth is these drops are now for some reason nowhere near as successful as they used to be back in 2015 and 2016. To say the m920 sold like hotcakes would be an exaggeration but lately there have been hardly any sales. I'm not sure why. But I can vouch for the m920 personally.
FWIR Grace makes well designed DAC/amps but this is way too expensive.
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Just my humble opinion but the population of people that can *really* tell the difference between $1,500 and $150 DAC/Amps is so small that it borders on the statistically insignificant. Now, the number of people that *claim* they can tell is a different story but Audiophiles are like Oenophiles ....
Benchmark DAC3 maybe? Seems targeted at a similar market, has a similarly excellent reputation, and seems to be priced similarly (MSRP).
I live in European Union. Will it be sent from USA or for European customers shipping will be from EU territory? I am asking, because I have to know whether I should add customs and VAT to the drop price.
mrkaramba
Still no answer.. anyone from Massdrop team? Or someone from Europe who ordered it previously?
mrkaramba
https://helpdesk.massdrop.com/hc/en-us/articles/215261128-Customs-Fees All massdrop orders are shipped from their warehouse in New Jersey... I mean 7 weeks and you couldnt just google it yourself for an answer...
If possible, a standard USB TYPE-B, a XLR-pair output please.
Dear Grace Design, please update this with a ES9038PRO DAC chip.
Im thinking a Questyle Audio CMA600i DAC Headphone Amplifier would be a better value
Will this work with my bluetooth Beats Studio headphones?
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NotaDr
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NotaDr
Lol
No Elsid, remote control is an option, +$95
I think they should include the remote. Wow!
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Elsid
Thanks
Thanks
Grace, please release a 9038 product with working DSD512 support, don't cheap out on the output stage, and you'll have a sale.
GUTB
DSD is pointless.
FuckHead-Fi
DSD is superior to PCM.
Those that told you otherwise are lying.
Sorry to sound like an idiot, but how would this fit into my chain? I currently run: Pre-> ADC -> Interface -> DAW -> Interface -> DAC -> Monitors Is this thing a DAC, an ADC, or just a monitor controller? And how does it compare to the Black Lion Audio Sparrow line of ADC/DAC's?
DaedalEVE
In your chain it would become the DAC and monitor controller. So it goes between your interface and monitors: you'd connect your interface's digital output to the m920, then use the 1/4" TRS jacks on the back of the m920 to go out straight to your monitors. The m920 is also a headphone amp. There is no ADC. I'm not familiar with the Black Lion gear and can't comment on that part.
yetanotherjosh
Thank you for the reply. It helped a lot.
For those of you contemplating purchasing the $95 Grace remote control for the M920, both the $10 plastic Apple remote and the $25 metal version work perfectly with this unit.
My intention with this unit is to use it as the master DAC and volume control for my studio monitors, and for its headphone amp, along with a UAD Apollo (silver) as my DAW centerpiece. This unit lacks a word clock output - is this going to be a problem, if I'm running S/PDIF from the Apollo to the m920? I would think I'd want my Apollo clock synced to the m920 ideally, but this is not doable? Is this box not for me, should I be looking at one with a word clock output?
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I am using it's earlier (discontinued) brother m902 for music production for about 10 years now, and I can never thank myself for spending my money on it! It helps me to nail issues, such as sample zero crossing points, etc. You hear a tiny click with it – It's just so revealing! m920 is even better. Probably, you won't be looking at anything in the coming decade, at least.
locojohn
After some further research into the Dangerous Source's technical performance, I'm going for the m920. The Source appears to be a great product for the value, but at this price, the m920 is what I really want.
Can the front panel volume control attenuate the output on the rear balanced TRS outputs? I want to connect those TRS outs straight to my active monitors ideally, using TRS->XLR cables, without having to use a passive controller box (for example: Mackie Big Knob Passive, etc). Not only does an additional passive controller add cost, but also more interconnects, cables, potentially noisy components, etc.
yetanotherjosh
The front panel volume can control each output independently. It can also be set to gang Line 1 and Line 2 together in the case of using a sub and speakers. I connect active monitors to the m920 balanced line out all the time and it's a great way to work!
I was thinking about adding on the remote, but I can't figure out why it costs almost $100. Couldn't I just use the "learn" function of a universal remote to do the same functions for less than $20 (by borrowing, or buying and returning the remote)? Does the remote perform any other special functions?
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We've tested one of the Logitech harmony products - wifi-to-IR translator. They should have our codes in their system too.
I personally can't live without Grace remote, even though it doesn't have a rotary volume control. Using one for over 10 years and never regretted the purchase, as it's really convenient.
$1500 & phillips head on the faceplate...really? I'd prefer duct tape.
TarheelMe
I agree. I do hope it sounds better than it looks because it sure doesn't look like $1500.
I'd buy expensive headphones without trying them but something about spending more than $500 on a DAC/AMP is really off putting.
With my headphones and my ears, I don't think I need a good amp or dac. I will say when I listened to Weezer's first album on my phone, it sounded worse than on my computer. The files on my phone were 256 kbps, while they were FLAC on my computer.
I dont get it
Damn, I have been waiting for this to come around again, how did I miss it?Any further drops planned?
jowls
:)
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I don't know what this is. but looks cool. However to be honest, I expected better cables then the at standard at this price.
The specs don't mention power output for different headphone loads (i'm not sure what the dBu output means). Is that documented somewhere?
erkolson
"High current transimpedance output amplifier design drives 8 ohm loads. The m920 was specifically designed with low impedance headphones in mind." [...] Headphone Output: 1.2 Ohm [...] from http://www.gracedesign.com/support/m920_Manual_Rev_B.pdf
The dBu is a root mean square (RMS) measurement of voltage that uses as its reference approximately 0.775 V rms.
locojohn
The m920 headphone out will deliver ~4 watts/channel into 8 ohms. At 600ohms it is ~100mW/channel.
"Why would you ever pay for food when there's grass outside for free?"

That's what some of the older comments sound like.
Below are all my personal opinion.
Audio is a hobby, the most important thing is whether you can listen better sounds, not the latest DAC. DAC is progressing rapidly, and no matter how new it is adopted, it becomes obsolete after 1 year. However, the quality of the amplifier and the value of the product as seen in total are not something that will not be lost so easily.
I like the sound, quality and function of the Grace Design m 920 very much, but I think that if the DAC gets stale enough to be tolerated, I will just replace the DAC part, and I think that the amplifier can use the m920 as it is. ( If grace design can upgrade DAC, I'd like you to do so)
Favorites are such things.
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YOU don't need to be objective, but consumers in the market need objective information to make sound purchase decisions. You DO care, that's why you made 58 replies to this thread and why you're so defensive. Don't be so self-centered and realize not everyone prefers biased information.
iGrenade
I see. I love the products I bought, too, I wrote a lot. However, if you do not like my subjectivity, I will not write here anymore.
If you do not like past postings and do not for Massdrop, I will delete all the opinions I've ever posted.