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JohnRS
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Apr 11, 2018
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yay-nay
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Apr 11, 2018
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JohnRS To you, this won't probably prove anything, but there's a thread at headfi where the whole issue is discussed, even as we speak, with the large number of indications, people's (numerous customers who have never received their items from Trinity Audio, and payed for them in advance, and everyone's involvement in the whole story)
that you might be wrong.
I will just quote the post from one former customer of that former company, and leave it without any comment, as the exact content of this quote has been appearing at that thread at headfi numerous times during the last 7-8 months:
quote: "His "crime" was pretending that it was essentially his company the whole time, acting that he was finally making the headphones he always wanted to make, lying to everyone many many times about production and delivery, switching his story immediately when he started IMR (about how he was just a contractor and he wasnt involved in any of the fiasco and that now he truly was going to make the iems he wanted) and then mailing customers based off a trinity mailing list." Btw. , this was the photo of the Bob's desk during his time at Trinity.
quote: "His "crime" was pretending that it was essentially his company the whole time, acting that he was finally making the headphones he always wanted to make, lying to everyone many many times about production and delivery, switching his story immediately when he started IMR (about how he was just a contractor and he wasnt involved in any of the fiasco and that now he truly was going to make the iems he wanted) and then mailing customers based off a trinity mailing list." Btw. , this was the photo of the Bob's desk during his time at Trinity.
griff06
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Apr 12, 2018
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yay-nayWow so the designer is not allowed to have drawings of IEMs that 'maybe' eventually became the R1. I mean, its his designs. Then shit gits the fan and he takes his designs with him. I would.
And this accusation has been made plenty times. He already stated he used the same platform as on Trinity. Again, speculation.
Even the compelling argument of addresses and and whos name was on what, is only partial information. Again No one knows what that actually means. You can make an educated guess, a compelling connection. But still not full facts. Just lots of partial facts or truths and lots assumptions
And this accusation has been made plenty times. He already stated he used the same platform as on Trinity. Again, speculation.
Even the compelling argument of addresses and and whos name was on what, is only partial information. Again No one knows what that actually means. You can make an educated guess, a compelling connection. But still not full facts. Just lots of partial facts or truths and lots assumptions
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Apr 12, 2018
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griff06So, all of those people at headfi who ordered the products from designer's "former company" (the rumor goes that he is still not so uninvolved even there), and never got neither their products nor refunds, and even this quote below, all of that is just non-existing, "no one knows what that actually means", "still not full facts" ? What would it take to convince the likes of you and such ?
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"a dealer has ordered multiple Trinity Hunters and PM6, xxxx insisted on a minimum order of £XX,000 (two figures and three zeroes) via a wire transfer and he never delivered.
First he told them it was shipped, then lost in the mail and then he shipped him a box of pouches only. All this fairly recently after claiming he left Trinity - the dealer posted publically a few weeks ago and xxxx threatened him that he (!) will sue him.
xxxx later confessed that Trinity is a family etc... The emails and much else seen behind the curtains points out clearly that what the dealer is claiming is true. There is much more to this whole thing and we may never know what happened."
"no one knows what that actually means", "still not full facts" ? This gigantic thread at headfi, where the "designer" went out, according to headfiers, all of that well documented on that thread, with deadlines and guarantees even from xxxx about deliveries (never fulfilled), etc, - all of that is only in domain of "assumptions", and the xxxx's former company forced someone to knowingly participate in all of that, repeatedly ? Repeatedly, for so many months now ? Really ?
"no one knows what that actually means", "still not full facts" ? This gigantic thread at headfi, where the "designer" went out, according to headfiers, all of that well documented on that thread, with deadlines and guarantees even from xxxx about deliveries (never fulfilled), etc, - all of that is only in domain of "assumptions", and the xxxx's former company forced someone to knowingly participate in all of that, repeatedly ? Repeatedly, for so many months now ? Really ?
McCol
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Apr 16, 2018
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yay-nayHas there been a fraud or gaining money by deception case in court yet?
That would prove more than a thread at headfi.
I‘ve got nothing against headfi - been a member since 2004, however I also know how things quickly escalate there if somebody farts at the wrong time of day or if somebody disagrees about a frequency chart.
I see posts both there and here saying things ‘oh he is still involved’ How the hell do people do know that.
laughable - meanwhile I will continue to enjoy the awesome IMR R1✊️
laughable - meanwhile I will continue to enjoy the awesome IMR R1✊️
yay-nay
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Apr 19, 2018
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McColYour question is "how the hell people know what they say about involvement", now and most of all then ?
Well - you yourself might bother to ask them for starters - the thread is there, so be my guest, by all means.
And don't be surprised if you hear overwhelming amount of facts - or if you try to bother to read throughout the whole history of the ordeal given live in the thread, while it was ongoing. I presume you will find more evidence about conscious involvement than anyone would need.
Now, to the "story": there have been a numerous customers who have payed for their orders and never got them delivered, nor they have ever been communicated (to) in any credible manner why, from the company. People have been fed clear misinformation repeatedly, instead, as answer(s).
Everyone's involvement in the whole story has been well and clearly documented at headfi.
Make no mistake about this, it has been described in no unclear nor uncertain terms, too many times, with details. Promises broken too many times about not only deadlines, but real products, payed with real money from the real customers, never delivered. Again, none of this has been detached from anyone involved in this "business activity" while all of it was ongoing, according to the history of the events - even at the thread at headfi.
You or anyone else has zero credibility even in slightest attempt to deny or dismiss that as "laughable", as you have chosen to call it.
All of that might be laughable to you; being, on the other hand, on the receiving end of that "laughable thing" would probably not be as funny... but hey, as long as it is someone else, then some people can just somehow shift the standard of what is acceptable or ok. As long as they are not at the receiving end, of course. All of what happened was not going on over one day, not over one month, not over one instance, but over a long period of time, in sustained activities, assurances (repeatedly) about deadlines for shipping the items, never fulfilled, without valid or honest explanation, number of times, over many months. With - again - well known written statements and involvement. Laugh it all you wan't, that is the reality and hard facts. People at headfi and company's customers were not and are not imagining any of it. Ask them how many confirmation of payed orders they have - and not received their items, to this day, and laugh then, if that suits your moral.
Some people have been waiting for over a year of year and a half, if I am not mistaken, for items, and still not received them. God knows (and the company) how many. What more do you need ? How about one product, advertised and conceived, never delivered, never shown as finished in pictures, never shipped, never received by anyone who has ordered it ? That also never happened or is less or not true, since it has not gotten to the court - yet ??? I have also quoted, clearly, what one retailer has experienced, this is not something people spit out just for fun. Go on all you like in trying to deny what has been happening over a long period of time, those attempts by both you and the likes of similarly inclined individuals won't and cannot change the dry facts. You might need to re-read the retailer's story - if you have not chosen to turn your head away (or put it somewhere where it might belong judging from your, very cynical attitude, having in mind clear facts stated by numerous people clearly cheated of their money) and decided not to read it or ignore it completely - prior to your "answer". The story (among many other stories of the customers who have ordered individual items) - was this time about bunch of empty pouches delivered from the company, for the mass order from the retailer, with two figures and three zeroes in magnitude, in real money.
Stating that there has not been a case in the court - yet - as an "excuse" that should supposedly counter numerous customers' experiences, who simply never got the items they have payed for and got confirmations about orders made, and even shipped repeatedly, but never arrived, company's website being taken of shopify (who do you think that has happened ? ), only to never reappear anywhere, and this rather disgusting case of that order made by retailer - and that is very real person we are talking about - that statement of yours should be some kind of attempt to prove that all of those people are simply liars that have decided, just for fun, to turn on the company that they have wholeheartedly once supported and did put their trust in ? And then you chose to put it right in the face of all of those people - how you enjoy your IMR R1s - some sort of your rhetorical laugh in the face of all of those people, and your (in)direct acclaim of someone's - anyone's deliberate and conscious involvement in all of those "business" activities and of the manner in which all of that has been done? That fist-smiley in the end - some sort of spite ? For what ?
Or is the problem here that some people here have got the IEMs (or perhaps their "business activities or affiliations") so far down their ear channels (if not up somewhere else) that it has perhaps started to affect some brain activities ?
Now, to the "story": there have been a numerous customers who have payed for their orders and never got them delivered, nor they have ever been communicated (to) in any credible manner why, from the company. People have been fed clear misinformation repeatedly, instead, as answer(s).
Everyone's involvement in the whole story has been well and clearly documented at headfi.
Make no mistake about this, it has been described in no unclear nor uncertain terms, too many times, with details. Promises broken too many times about not only deadlines, but real products, payed with real money from the real customers, never delivered. Again, none of this has been detached from anyone involved in this "business activity" while all of it was ongoing, according to the history of the events - even at the thread at headfi.
You or anyone else has zero credibility even in slightest attempt to deny or dismiss that as "laughable", as you have chosen to call it.
All of that might be laughable to you; being, on the other hand, on the receiving end of that "laughable thing" would probably not be as funny... but hey, as long as it is someone else, then some people can just somehow shift the standard of what is acceptable or ok. As long as they are not at the receiving end, of course. All of what happened was not going on over one day, not over one month, not over one instance, but over a long period of time, in sustained activities, assurances (repeatedly) about deadlines for shipping the items, never fulfilled, without valid or honest explanation, number of times, over many months. With - again - well known written statements and involvement. Laugh it all you wan't, that is the reality and hard facts. People at headfi and company's customers were not and are not imagining any of it. Ask them how many confirmation of payed orders they have - and not received their items, to this day, and laugh then, if that suits your moral.
Some people have been waiting for over a year of year and a half, if I am not mistaken, for items, and still not received them. God knows (and the company) how many. What more do you need ? How about one product, advertised and conceived, never delivered, never shown as finished in pictures, never shipped, never received by anyone who has ordered it ? That also never happened or is less or not true, since it has not gotten to the court - yet ??? I have also quoted, clearly, what one retailer has experienced, this is not something people spit out just for fun. Go on all you like in trying to deny what has been happening over a long period of time, those attempts by both you and the likes of similarly inclined individuals won't and cannot change the dry facts. You might need to re-read the retailer's story - if you have not chosen to turn your head away (or put it somewhere where it might belong judging from your, very cynical attitude, having in mind clear facts stated by numerous people clearly cheated of their money) and decided not to read it or ignore it completely - prior to your "answer". The story (among many other stories of the customers who have ordered individual items) - was this time about bunch of empty pouches delivered from the company, for the mass order from the retailer, with two figures and three zeroes in magnitude, in real money.
Stating that there has not been a case in the court - yet - as an "excuse" that should supposedly counter numerous customers' experiences, who simply never got the items they have payed for and got confirmations about orders made, and even shipped repeatedly, but never arrived, company's website being taken of shopify (who do you think that has happened ? ), only to never reappear anywhere, and this rather disgusting case of that order made by retailer - and that is very real person we are talking about - that statement of yours should be some kind of attempt to prove that all of those people are simply liars that have decided, just for fun, to turn on the company that they have wholeheartedly once supported and did put their trust in ? And then you chose to put it right in the face of all of those people - how you enjoy your IMR R1s - some sort of your rhetorical laugh in the face of all of those people, and your (in)direct acclaim of someone's - anyone's deliberate and conscious involvement in all of those "business" activities and of the manner in which all of that has been done? That fist-smiley in the end - some sort of spite ? For what ?
Or is the problem here that some people here have got the IEMs (or perhaps their "business activities or affiliations") so far down their ear channels (if not up somewhere else) that it has perhaps started to affect some brain activities ?
McCol
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Apr 19, 2018
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yay-nayI get all your points however my statement about being laughable was in fact a bit of a sarcastic retort to a comment aimed at me being laughable.
I don’t for one minute find the Trinity debacle laughable but I will not be criticised for my decisions by others and will defend my decision if I want to. I don’t recall implying people were liars eithe, I believe they made orders and didn’t receive them however if I choose to deal with the new company is my buisness.
I feel for those who were ‘ripped off’ I’ve been in that position myself recently.
As far as I’m concerned I bought a product at a good price, received said product, was protected should it not arrive. Even if I had looked into Trinity before I still would’ve bought the IMR.
I feel for those who were ‘ripped off’ I’ve been in that position myself recently.
As far as I’m concerned I bought a product at a good price, received said product, was protected should it not arrive. Even if I had looked into Trinity before I still would’ve bought the IMR.
McCol
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Apr 19, 2018
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yay-nayJust re-read your rant.
I never once laughed at people’s experience with Trinity. I never doubted the fact they had lost money on a product however that is not my concern. The court case comment was in response to the comments around the ex employee who now runs IMR. As far as I‘m aware it is Trinity who didn’t fulfil the orders.
I assume that all your purchases you make are highly moral and you check the background of every company you buy from to ensure that they or somebody involved with them hasn’t been involved in something shady in the past! Or that they don’t use child or slave labou? That would rule out purchases from the majority of major players in many fields. I highly doubt it somehow.
I never once laughed at people’s experience with Trinity. I never doubted the fact they had lost money on a product however that is not my concern. The court case comment was in response to the comments around the ex employee who now runs IMR. As far as I‘m aware it is Trinity who didn’t fulfil the orders.
I assume that all your purchases you make are highly moral and you check the background of every company you buy from to ensure that they or somebody involved with them hasn’t been involved in something shady in the past! Or that they don’t use child or slave labou? That would rule out purchases from the majority of major players in many fields. I highly doubt it somehow.
yay-nay
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Apr 19, 2018
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McColJust re-read my post and give a serious thought to your rants. And calling others' (substantiated) posts rants. Re-read my post specially regarding the Trinity not fulfilling the orders (as you claim) vs. the involvement of all of those within Trinity, all of those in the know during the time all of that was and is done.
The issue of the "ex-employee" was also addressed, if you have bothered to read any of it.
Whoever called you laughable earlier was none of my concern, so I have no idea why you have addressed that in an answer to my post.
As far as your remark about my supposed purchases (I guess they are regarding your own morals and conscience, more that mine, easy to read that from your post, if you re-read it), I have no idea what that has to do with the whole issue, apart from you admitting openly that someone who you gladly do business with has been involved in something shady. Nice of you to come clean with that. Congratulations on your choice. Just see to that you live with them and enjoy them as much as you do at the moment.
McCol
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Apr 19, 2018
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yay-nayYou continue to rant without actually making any valid points.
The issue of the ex-employee was addressed by a social media forum not in any legal sense from what I can see. If as a UK resident I had been fleeced then I would have pursued through the legal system, I've not read of anybody doing this (happy to be corrected on this).
Once again I repeat. I understand that people are angry and upset but at no point did I call them liars or laugh at them. I addressed because you raised it, not me.
My point about purchases is nothing to do with my own morals, my morals are clear, I have not preached at people telling them what they should or shouldn't buy. It's called choice and if I want to defend that choice then I will.
The morals issue is actually very valid. You and others imply that people are wrong to buy from IMR. Why exactly? because somebody was involved as an employee in a venture that went wrong. Now here is the valid part, I assume from your high moral vantage point that every item you buy whether it be a pint of milk or a new TV, you are able to say that it was produced in an environment where the worker was paid a fair wage and not slave or child labour. If you bought from any mainstream chain superstore then this is highly unlikely.
Why shouldn't I gladly do business with IMR? They are not Trinity!
My point about purchases is nothing to do with my own morals, my morals are clear, I have not preached at people telling them what they should or shouldn't buy. It's called choice and if I want to defend that choice then I will.
The morals issue is actually very valid. You and others imply that people are wrong to buy from IMR. Why exactly? because somebody was involved as an employee in a venture that went wrong. Now here is the valid part, I assume from your high moral vantage point that every item you buy whether it be a pint of milk or a new TV, you are able to say that it was produced in an environment where the worker was paid a fair wage and not slave or child labour. If you bought from any mainstream chain superstore then this is highly unlikely.
Why shouldn't I gladly do business with IMR? They are not Trinity!
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Apr 19, 2018
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McColActually, you should be able to fully prove that the IMR is not Trinity, nor shares anything with the Trinity, if you are comfortable in claiming that being the truth. Most people here claim otherwise, with good amount of circumstantial evidence. Now, you can call my posts "ranting" all you want, speaks volumes about you and your choices, far more than it says anything about very valid points raised by people here.
I have not raised anything with you until you have replied to my post, out of the blue. I do not recall me addressing any of your posts here. You have certainly done that for reason, and an obvious one, to anyone here. Whatever that reason is in your book.
Your moral and your choices have nothing to do with the matter at stake here, - child labour and such was the point raised by you, as well as the choices everyone is making. Why are you projecting that now, all of the sudden, on others - well, only you know that, but it is really laughable at this point.
I see no reason for Massdrop or any sensible person to do the business with someone having been involved in something of the magnitude that Bob was involved and highly engaged with.
As far as the other claims made by both you and likes of "defenders" here, re-read this:
quote from another of the numerous posts here:
"ajaxender1248
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These might be nice IEMs.
This company does not deserve your money. It does not deserve the support it has already had.
Trinity was run into the ground. Bob was, apparently, going to leave the company and take a long break. All of a sudden, we get a promotional email for a new company, IMR Acoustics. If it's a new company, why are they using Trinity's subscriber list?
It's not a new company, though. That was apparent from it having the *exact* same location. Clearly more information has come to light since. What is IMR? Just a rebrand. Likely an attempt to get some money back; who knows if it will ever be enough to make reparations to previous Trinity supporters. But it keeps Bob working, wow, great for him."
McCol
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yay-nayWhy should I prove anything. I gain or lose nothing from this discussion.
' You have certainly done that for reason, and an obvious one, to anyone here. ' What does this even mean?? Makes no sense to me. Only reason I posted initially was to inform people that the IMR is an excellent earphone, and that despite the scaremongering on Massdrop and obvious attempts to dissuade people from buying the product that others and myself have had no issues.
'Your moral and your choices have nothing to do with the matter at stake here, - child labour and such was the point raised by you, as well as the choices everyone is making. Why are you projecting that now, all of the sudden, on others - well, only you know that, but it is really laughable at this point.' Of course it matters,you and others have implied that people are morally wrong to buy from IMR, makes my point perfectly valid. The earphone is a luxury item, an item bought with disposable income or credit, not a required for living product. If people are going to call into question my morals over a item then I can and will do the same over everyday essential items such as food etc.
To be honest I'm not a defender of Bob, IMR, Trinity or any other company, what I am defending is that I will not be slated for buying a product just because people have had a bad experience with the previous company.
' You have certainly done that for reason, and an obvious one, to anyone here. ' What does this even mean?? Makes no sense to me. Only reason I posted initially was to inform people that the IMR is an excellent earphone, and that despite the scaremongering on Massdrop and obvious attempts to dissuade people from buying the product that others and myself have had no issues.
'Your moral and your choices have nothing to do with the matter at stake here, - child labour and such was the point raised by you, as well as the choices everyone is making. Why are you projecting that now, all of the sudden, on others - well, only you know that, but it is really laughable at this point.' Of course it matters,you and others have implied that people are morally wrong to buy from IMR, makes my point perfectly valid. The earphone is a luxury item, an item bought with disposable income or credit, not a required for living product. If people are going to call into question my morals over a item then I can and will do the same over everyday essential items such as food etc.
To be honest I'm not a defender of Bob, IMR, Trinity or any other company, what I am defending is that I will not be slated for buying a product just because people have had a bad experience with the previous company.
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McColListen, "pal", your morals truly do not matter to me more than yesterday's porrage. Really. Give that quasi-argument you are driving a rest. You are not going to tell or convince anyone what they themselves feel, and how they feel. You should buy 10 IMR R1s for all I care, the more of them you buy, the stronger the case of all people you are dribbling with verbally here, to no avail, btw.
I have not implied (stop distorting my posts for once) what you are saying that I have, you of all people are not of concern to me here, but instead said openly:
I cannot see why massdrop or any sensible entity would do the business with someone being involved in something of the character or the magnitude that Bob has clearly been involved with.
Whether you felt struck or stung by such statements is entirely your problem, that doesn't make my point less valid, nor all the other issues and points raised by former and current Trinity customers here.
Your morals are non- or at best a side issue here, most of the concerns about that raised by yourself. What the real issue here (and you are diverting stubbornly and constantly from it, for a good reason) is this:
People do not want to see someones involved in taking money of them and disappearing doing the business with massdrop or elsewhere - shopify did take their webpage down. Open your eyes for once.
People do not want to see someones involved in taking money of them and disappearing doing the business with massdrop or elsewhere - shopify did take their webpage down. Open your eyes for once.
yay-nay
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Apr 19, 2018
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McColYou said: "Only reason I posted initially was to inform people that the IMR is an excellent earphone, and that despite the scaremongering on Massdrop and obvious attempts to dissuade people from buying the product that others and myself have had no issues. "
Perhaps you meant, but it went somehow lost in translation, that all of those people would have liked to dissuade Massdrop, retailers. or any serious business from promoting someone with the track record as shown by numerous post here ? Does the shopify action and website taken down ring any bells here, among other things ?
Perhaps you meant, but it went somehow lost in translation, that all of those people would have liked to dissuade Massdrop, retailers. or any serious business from promoting someone with the track record as shown by numerous post here ? Does the shopify action and website taken down ring any bells here, among other things ?
McCol
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Apr 19, 2018
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yay-nayOk 'mate' Lol
I have not distorted your posts,I could easily argue you have done so to my posts though. The fact you use the term 'pal' the way you have actually shows you for the type of person you probably are.
I'll leave you to your keyboard warrior fun and games. This has got boring.
I have not distorted your posts,I could easily argue you have done so to my posts though. The fact you use the term 'pal' the way you have actually shows you for the type of person you probably are.
I'll leave you to your keyboard warrior fun and games. This has got boring.
yay-nay
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Apr 19, 2018
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McColI guess all of your replies here speak for the "type of person you are" and what kind of level (personal) you were using all the time. I was addressing the issue of the company being promoted with the background of the people involved in it. In case you have been missing that point all the time, and addressing instead, on your behalf, the personal issues, as witnessed from your last post here.
The last two sentences really do show the type of person you are. In your very own words.
McCol
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Apr 19, 2018
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yay-nayRound and round we go, you constantly make assumptions about me then when I question it you turn it around. Says exactly what type of person you are I'm afraid.
I know what you were addressing and I likewise was addressing the issue that it is a different company delivering stock with no issues.
Simple really.
No doubt you retort and turn it back tome though.
I know what you were addressing and I likewise was addressing the issue that it is a different company delivering stock with no issues.
Simple really.
No doubt you retort and turn it back tome though.
yay-nay
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McColRound and round we go, you constantly make assumptions about me then when I question it you turn it around. Says exactly what type of person you are I'm afraid.
I know what I was addressing, while you were addressing the issue that it is a different company delivering stock with no issues. You hooked on the argument that is is an entirely different company, while many other people claim here that there is much pointing out to the almost opposite, that it is just a rebrand funded with the orders never delivered from the Trinity. Again, see for yourself how justified your claims are vs. the writings of Bob himself, and then other customers.
Simple really.
No doubt you retort and turn it back tome though.
yay-nay
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griff06Writing with capital letters, now that's shouting on the internet. I don't have to shout to raise the point. Empty pouches delivered instead of iems being ordered for xx,000 £ are not speculations, according to the info from one retailer, nor it is Bobs alleged answer to that threatening to sue the receiver of those pouches, for the items he ordered and has paid for.
yay-nay
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Apr 19, 2018
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griff06.... and while you're at it, griff06, and I quote you: "Rebrand funded by trinity... now that is SPECULATING!!"
any of the Trinity customers would be more than happy if you or anyone else would prove what you claim. None of you have actually presented even a shred of evidence that it (rebrand and else) is not the case, despite and in contrast to the numerous quotes pointing to it being indeed
the case.
griff06
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yay-nayI dont care about what happened at Trinity. I never brought fron them.
I brought the R1s from Bob, theyre amazing. My experience with IMR is stellar as is eveyone else is.
Bored of this conversation now you carry on if you want though. All the best and all that
yay-nay
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McColAccording to you, yes; according to other (a good number of people having the first hand experience), not at all. Real people, real customers who got their orders never delivered, same person reappearing under another brand, conceived at the working desk at Trinity. Sharing the same office building, many other details shown and written about here, completely ignored by your very persistent countering attempts. Wonder really why.
yay-nay
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McColMy angle was and is on the issue of Massdrop hosting this. had nothing to do nor it has with your choice of buying from Bob.
Leave your angle on me, raised by you, since I have not engaged in conversation with you without you answering my post out of the blue, to begin with.
Deliberately diffusing the issue and accusing others of what you yourself do - before anyone has talked to you, has mentioned you or written to you, it does really make you a subject for laughs. You have cling to one of my posts initially, untill after that I have never had any conversation with you nor addressed you.
And, yes, I am waiting for any proper evidence that Trinity was not Bob. There are posts by Bob at headfi claiming otherwise, so try to prove yourself that is it not so.
Deliberately diffusing the issue and accusing others of what you yourself do - before anyone has talked to you, has mentioned you or written to you, it does really make you a subject for laughs. You have cling to one of my posts initially, untill after that I have never had any conversation with you nor addressed you.
And, yes, I am waiting for any proper evidence that Trinity was not Bob. There are posts by Bob at headfi claiming otherwise, so try to prove yourself that is it not so.
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McColquote from McCol person:
"Just bought really good earphones and spreading the word to those that might be interested. "
... and I guess all of those posts by the Trinity customers here raising valid issues are spoiling your activity of "spreading the word"... All allegedly, of course... :D
yay-nay
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McColYes, yet again you miss-quote and get it all wrong.
You have said that there is no proof of Bob and Trinity and IMR being what they are, people claim otherwise. You - deliberately not seeing or reading the posts written by Bob himself, and by others citing that - is your own choice, not mine or anyone else's.
Simple really.
As for the remark about "making no sense" and being "about to explode"; well, congrats, I guess you said it really all there about your involvement in the activities here.
You have said that there is no proof of Bob and Trinity and IMR being what they are, people claim otherwise. You - deliberately not seeing or reading the posts written by Bob himself, and by others citing that - is your own choice, not mine or anyone else's.
Simple really.
As for the remark about "making no sense" and being "about to explode"; well, congrats, I guess you said it really all there about your involvement in the activities here.
McCol
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yay-nayI’ve seen Bob’s posts, he was the front face of the set up but an employee, but you crack on anyway.
You even use terms such as ‘people claim otherwise’ hardly evidence really but again you crack on with whatever it is your trying to achieve.
Again my only involvement here is to try and put across a balanced view for those thinking of buying the R1. There is no issue, they exist and they sound awesome, even more so using the balanced cable from the DX200.
Again my only involvement here is to try and put across a balanced view for those thinking of buying the R1. There is no issue, they exist and they sound awesome, even more so using the balanced cable from the DX200.
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McColIn case you have missed that, or filtered out in your manner - it has been stated repeatedly that he was then (according to some still is) inolved with the Trinity. There are his own posts at headfi thread stating this. Also, people have written that he was stating that it is his brainchild and why he started his involvement there.
yay-nay
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McColEvidence is all over the place, read the headfi thread from the very beginning to the end.
I would like you to submit the evidence that all of those claims, including Bob's own posts (about his deep involvement with the company, stuff being his brainchild, why he started the business, etc.)
are not true.
We can again repeat all of what has been stated about the whole issue, you turning things upside down is, sadly, nothing new under the sun.
One other thing - those who contacted their banks regarding the credit card withdrawal from the Trinity for items never delivered (Bob being the part of it, as a willing and fully responsible and aware participant and part of the affairs, this is the fact that can be easily proven if needed) have been advised in every instance, from the bank(s) to report the issue to the police. I feel that I don't have to explain this further to you, if you are capable to think and draw some conclusions.
One other thing - those who contacted their banks regarding the credit card withdrawal from the Trinity for items never delivered (Bob being the part of it, as a willing and fully responsible and aware participant and part of the affairs, this is the fact that can be easily proven if needed) have been advised in every instance, from the bank(s) to report the issue to the police. I feel that I don't have to explain this further to you, if you are capable to think and draw some conclusions.
McCol
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yay-nayDeep involvement doesn’t prove ownership though does it. I’m assuming those people have reported Trinity to the police.
Im turning nothing upside down, merely pointing out as I’ve done from the start that if people use credit card through PayPal they will have protection should anything go wrong.
Anyway I’ll concede to you and say I’m very very very very very sorry for buying earphones that you don’t approve off.
Im turning nothing upside down, merely pointing out as I’ve done from the start that if people use credit card through PayPal they will have protection should anything go wrong.
Anyway I’ll concede to you and say I’m very very very very very sorry for buying earphones that you don’t approve off.
ItismrT
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McColHis wife and Joe A. Ashley Watts were.
His wife, Marie Timms was a significant shareholder.
Bob James Timms never once revealed his full name and always introduced himself as Bob James, and for a reason. He didn’t want people to know this.
Bob himself can‘t act as a director because he is disqualified due to bankruptcy.
The R1 may sound fantastic but it doesn’t change the facts. He was the face of the company and introduced Trinity to headfi and the mods saying it’s his brainchild and he is a co-owner. They were running countless promos to raise funds for products that never existed.
IMR was in the works since early 2017 when they realized Trinity is done.
In other words you‘re telling us that his wife was responsible because she was a shareholder but he has nothing to do with this, correct?
yay-nay
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McColFirst of all, I have not approved or disapproved anything to you as a single customer, regarding your purchases. That was your own premise and accusation on me from the beginning here, and it is as false as it is clear attempt to divert the conversations from the issue at stake here.
I would gladly approved of the IMR R1, like you wouldn't believe it, as soon as Bob or you would send a complementary pair of those to me.
I would return them after fair and square review. Guaranteed. Next week.
The point does not have to be the ownership, to begin with, but exactly the level of involvement, and it was stated numerous times to be deep and continuous.
Yes, you are repeatedly, consciously, turning what others write, upside down, and consciously twisting and coming with erroneous statement on both the issue at stake, as well as what others write and mean. You are also trolling in some posts in between.
I repeat that you have been the one who has addressed my post first; prior to that I have had no contact with you here.
You have been pointing out paypal 180 days (not 6 months, check your facts) policy. I have stated that people have been waiting for more than 1 1/2 year for the items, but I was wrong, there are actually people waiting for 2 years. Those are two very separate issues, and you are failing repeatedly to realize that, knowingly or not, less important. Whether any of those people pulled the paypal doesn't change the fact about items never delivered and persons' involvement in all of that. It does not change the fact about the issue of who the Massdrop and all of the parties involved here are dealing with, and if Massdrop should align with the marketing and sales of the products in the light of what has happened to a good number of customers earlier.
Try not to concede anything to me, I am not at all interested in that. Whether you concede some things to yourself is your own business as well, as well as what kind of relation you are establishing with your surroundings (whatever they might be).
The point does not have to be the ownership, to begin with, but exactly the level of involvement, and it was stated numerous times to be deep and continuous.
Yes, you are repeatedly, consciously, turning what others write, upside down, and consciously twisting and coming with erroneous statement on both the issue at stake, as well as what others write and mean. You are also trolling in some posts in between.
I repeat that you have been the one who has addressed my post first; prior to that I have had no contact with you here.
You have been pointing out paypal 180 days (not 6 months, check your facts) policy. I have stated that people have been waiting for more than 1 1/2 year for the items, but I was wrong, there are actually people waiting for 2 years. Those are two very separate issues, and you are failing repeatedly to realize that, knowingly or not, less important. Whether any of those people pulled the paypal doesn't change the fact about items never delivered and persons' involvement in all of that. It does not change the fact about the issue of who the Massdrop and all of the parties involved here are dealing with, and if Massdrop should align with the marketing and sales of the products in the light of what has happened to a good number of customers earlier.
Try not to concede anything to me, I am not at all interested in that. Whether you concede some things to yourself is your own business as well, as well as what kind of relation you are establishing with your surroundings (whatever they might be).
McCol
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yay-nayFirst off why would I send you a pair!
I don’t need to check my facts regarding paypal, I made no mention of timescales. Paypal may well only be 180 days but credit card is longer, using the credit card, either on its own or through PayPal. You have made comments regarding my purchase but l’ll leave it there so you can fight another battle elsewhere, it’s been fun😂😂😂
I don’t need to check my facts regarding paypal, I made no mention of timescales. Paypal may well only be 180 days but credit card is longer, using the credit card, either on its own or through PayPal. You have made comments regarding my purchase but l’ll leave it there so you can fight another battle elsewhere, it’s been fun😂😂😂
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McColYou could send a pair as a token of trust, since showing a large amount of trust here seems to be the consensus - for some. And distrusting others as well.
Paypal does involve timescale of his own, it goes by mentioning it, and you yourself have pulled the paypal in the conversation, again out of the blue, uncalled for.
Credit card issuers tie the refund with some heavy restrictions.
While you regard this as "my battle", well, I've seen you have started making queries about the old Trinity address at headfi, so again, putting the mouth where someone's tongue is seems to be speciality of some people. With or without rather miserable, repeated use of the smileys.
This can be fun.... for you - perhaps. Enjoy whatever you gain from it, personally or otherwise, as read from your posts, as you have written it in your last sentence.
McCol
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yay-nayNo heavy restrictions with my credit card, had refunds twice - once after a year, no issue whatsoever.
I only brought up PayPal as a way of people protecting themselves if they felt uneasy dealing with IMR, once again I bow to your moral greatness and apologise for doing this on a thread meant for info.
I queried the address out of interest as I know that part of the country and people from that town, once again very very sorry for doing that. Not sure what your issue is with that to be honest. I use smileys etc because I can. Once again very sorry 😐
I queried the address out of interest as I know that part of the country and people from that town, once again very very sorry for doing that. Not sure what your issue is with that to be honest. I use smileys etc because I can. Once again very sorry 😐
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McColGee, don't forget to pull something out of something while bowing...
...even if that would involve the IMR-s that you are so gladly informing (spreading the word) about, here as well as elsewhere. It needs to be supported, and I fully support that. Buy as many as possible, the more you buy the better for the community and even Trinity customers. Seriously.
What has anyone's supposed "moral greatness" have to do with the thread "meant for info" ?
Yes, you are using the smileys because you can.
I am also calling you out on that, which is really not important. Whether you like it or not.
What is more important is that other - informative stuff is mentioned here, specially stuff regarding the Trinity and IMR, because we can, because we consider that we should, and because it is thread meant for info. Once again, very sorry and apologies to your sense of freedom and apologies to your choice of seeing other's "moral".
What is more important is that other - informative stuff is mentioned here, specially stuff regarding the Trinity and IMR, because we can, because we consider that we should, and because it is thread meant for info. Once again, very sorry and apologies to your sense of freedom and apologies to your choice of seeing other's "moral".
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McColThe last post of yours is your take on "informative" thread, "discussing the issue", "not getting personal", and so on ?
Why shouldn't you, or anyone else of that sort of inclination and trolling, be called on using the smileys in clearly directed manner, having clearly nothing to do with the subject of Massdrop "hosting" the IMR sales ?
Since how many posts have you written that you are parting with this thread ?
Why still here then ? What's at stake ?
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McCol... yes, asking about the Trinity's old address minutes ago at headfi corroborates that... congrats again.
My apologies for ever answering when you hang onto my comment posted here.
Mostly for not recognizing that you are still here as usual. At the prices you are mentioning. 😂 (whatever they may be). 😂
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McColNo, you are just trolling.
Regarding the langauge and words:
"corroboratekəˈrɒbəreɪt/verbverb: corroborate; 3rd person present: corroborates; past tense: corroborated; past participle: corroborated; gerund or present participle: corroborating
corroborate is sometimes confused with collaborate"
"corroboratekəˈrɒbəreɪt/verbverb: corroborate; 3rd person present: corroborates; past tense: corroborated; past participle: corroborated; gerund or present participle: corroborating
- confirm or give support to (a statement, theory, or finding)."the witness had corroborated the boy's account of the attack"synonyms:confirm, verify, endorse, ratify, authenticate, validate, certify; Moresupport, back up, back, uphold, stand by, bear out, bear witness to, attest to, testify to, vouch for, give credence to, substantiate, sustain, bolster, reinforce, lend weight to "Thomas corroborated the boy's account of the attack"antonyms:contradict
corroborate is sometimes confused with collaborate"
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McColCalm down, IMR person; the truncated stood "stu" for stubborn, not anything insulting in the case of you here, looking at the course of your "debating". Start reading the letters and words, and fabricate less of your own into what others have posted.
Can't help yourself, you suppose ? Such a shame that no one else can... or wants...
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yay-nayOh bringing psychology and cognitive theories into the conversation, clever wee keyboard warrior that you are. That’s me beat now you’ve proved your so superior.
An intelligent troll - well done you.
You say I’m hanging for it but you can’t leave it really, keep replying because you can’t bear to give it up to somebody you see as less of a person than yourself.
It’s been fun for both of us, you just can’t resist, like a 6th form prefect😂😂
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McColAt least I have the issue with the IMR at massdrop and not with getting personal with other people, weeing around (claiming that others do that) and stating the "that you are" type of statements.
Also a bit difficult seeing likes of some stu... in relation to "cognitive", but that's besides the point here.
It was not fun for me, I think actually what you are doing here is nothing short of disgusting and repulsive and in the realm of heavy pathology.
Your call anyway, you have drawn yourself in the mud, continue swimming in your own creation... good luck with that, in whatever form ...
There is nothing that can defend nor justify what smells heavily as a rebrand of a disaster well known at headfi, being then endorsed by massdrop, and worse of all defended by anyone on the premises "it's a great IEM, I am here to spread the word around", "bring the evidence", and similar.
This is not your court do you can give directives, people have been advised that they should report to the police, if that for you is cause for the smileys or engaging in the mud slinging by clinging to the post and posters you do not like for your own IEMs and whatever reasons, keep on keepin' on....
Spread the word about the rest of it regarding the IMR, but hey, wait, you don't have to do that, that has been done already, in spades.
Good luck with trolling. though.
It will be kind of difficult after having the last word - you won't resist having that sort of fun, won't you... 😂
McCol
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yay-nayYou leave little choice for me not to reply with yet another of your mud slinging posts.
I have never got personal. I offered genuine advice to buyers based on fact about the product whereas you have done the opposite but again you crack in with your little personal crusade. ✊️Keyboard warrior✊️
You have a strange sense of disgusting and repulsive if this thread is your yardstick.
You have a strange sense of disgusting and repulsive if this thread is your yardstick.
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yay-nayi saw this old convo and wow never knew a discussion could be this toxic 😳
Without all the scamming and morals part, I got an imr zenith myself and i can say that they’re one of the best iems i have sq wise (very fun sounding)
If you think ordering imrs from drop will result in a scam i cant blame you for that, after all once a thief always a thief/once a scammer always a scammer. I do suggest you try the imr zeniths tho and it might impress you, and hopefully you can find a second hand unit or reseller with the item on hand
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GanserYou write this answer fully (or not at all) aware, or willing to recognize that the whole IMR stuff is based (according to many robbed people at Trinity Thread at headfi) even on the money taken from the customers and their preorders from Trinity, with goods never delivered?
Same people are behind both projects, and were there all along.
Ask Bob to demonstrate how he designs, assembles and conceives his prototypes of the IEMs, all the way to the production line. Or to say who does that for him. But he can't, perhaps due to the clause in his "contract" with whoever delivers the IEMs to him/them ?
Instead of advising on the IMRs to me, look yourself for the recently released video "dedicated" to the Trinity and the IMR on youtube, and enjoy it more than I would have ever enjoyed the IMRs.
Btw. , people in business and some headphiles do not share your opinions on the quality and the sonics of the IMRs, but to each his own.
What made you revisit this "toxic" old thread here, why not instead visit the headfi Trinity thread, last several pages, since that video from youtube was posted there ?
As for your "kind" suggestion on trying and purchasing (haha) the IMRs, as one of the moderators at headfi did put it several years ago: I would not touch anything these people are even remotely related to with a pole.
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yay-nayYea the quality of his product is good, but it’s just a question of whether you’ll receive the them or not. And Yea i know about the scamming part that he did and stole a lot of money in trinity, and that’s really fcked up. But that didnt really stop me from getting the zeniths because i didnt order from him directly cuz i have a distributor in my country who has them in hand, so I know im getting the item and not getting scammed 🤷🏽♂️ It’s a case of good product, bad seller
If you happen to know someone who’s selling them second hand or have a distributor near you, you should try them. That’s my point in all this tbh 😂
mega_shawn
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GanserHello, if you are confused by what IMR is, it is not a Trinity rebrand. Read this article for more info: https://www.audiophileon.com/news/imr-acoustics-r1-review
In it they mention that the owner of IMR worked at Trinity as a consultant.
Welcome to real life folks, s*** happens, everyone involved with a disaster doesn't need to give up on life. You're not required by law to tell everyone who buys from you that you were once employed at a company that went bankrupt and took customer money. Grow up people!
I have the IMR R1 Zeniths, and no they're not perfect, but it's pretty darn good with the right source. I purchased B-stock on sale for about $220 USD... I hardly consider that a bad value or a rip off. I got my package promptly and what I received looks brand new and works perfectly.
Cry babies at Head-Fi will always come up with stuff to complain about, meanwhile they turn around and spend 15k on a headphone and claim we're all missing out on some kind of miracle sound... Like spending 15k on headphones isn't a rip off? There are plenty of rip offs in the audio hobby and IMR is not one of them.
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ItismrT
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mega_shawnLol you forgot to mention the most interesting part. He was working for Trinity while his wife and another dude were the “owners” of the company. Same company and same scummy people go do some reading bruh
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mega_shawnBoy, trolling and cynicism right in the face of the community truly flourishes here... I wonder how Drop can tolerate the mere notion of the presence of these well known scammers...
yay-nay
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mega_shawnYou (whoever you are :D ) write:
"There are plenty of rip offs in the audio hobby and IMR is not one of them."
No, really not... haha... allow me to laugh... much points out that it is "only" financed (at least partially, if not fully) by the major - not rip off - but outright theft of the customers money from the Trinity...
In particular, the following part :
"You're not required by law to tell everyone who buys from you that you were once employed at a company that went bankrupt and took customer money. Grow up people!"
It has been discussed in length, shown in the video, and in the Trinity thread at headfi that this part (within the quotes) has nothing to do with the reality - not employed by the company, but instead well and truly the central part of the whole ordeal, planned and conceived from the beginning to take the money, not deliver several promised products, and finance next venture, only under different name.
How do you, and anyone here trolling and laughing in the face of whole community, explain that former Trinity customers get regular email updates from IMR ? How did all those people, many of them being robbed of their money, never received the merchandise they have payed for, and lied repeatedly to, during that process, by Bob and others there at the time,
how did all those people ended up at the IMRs mailing list ? How ?
It is so obvious - seeing the style in which pro-IMR comments are written here, that the pattern is well and truly present and obvious in all of those comments.
Anyone who looks at it, even casually, can see it from a mile's distance... Lol...
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P. S. I sympathise with all of those whose lost copious amounts of money from Trinity, however I'm not sure Bob bashing with no evidence is the right thing to do.