Keith Titanium Tent Stakes (6-Pack)search

Keith Titanium Tent Stakes (6-Pack)

Keith Titanium Tent Stakes (6-Pack)

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I would like to echo some of the other comments. The first time I used one of the V-shape Ti stakes, the first stake bent in the middle. Occured in the high country of the Beartooths outside of Yellowstone. I would not have considered it particularly hard ground. Fortunately, I had a few MSR Carbon Cores packed. So these V-stakes seem like they are suitable for a very narrow band of conditions. I switched back to Ground Hogs because they are more durable and work well under a much wider range of conditions.
I'm still in the "gathering" phase of UL and lightweight equipment. Can someone please advise me on what stakes would work well in medium and hard surfaces, but still be lightweight? (I hope that is okay to ask here). I do have some Chinese (aren't most made there?) non-ti stakes. I would consider this drop, but I'm concerned about durability in tougher conditions. Do folks buy different stakes for different conditions? I'm trying to keep my "to buy" list trim. Thank you.
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Would love to see your gear list - that is Andrew Skurka like weight
SAnCLT
This is my standard base and it changes depending on the weather. I like to go on weekdays since most of the folks are at work. https://lighterpack.com/
I understand these work well in " soft soil, grass, and sand " but not medium to hard surfaces. Hope that helps someone decide whether these are right for their application.
Although I really like Massdrop, for this particular item see Ebay for almost the exact same thing, as far as I can tell, from China. Way less expensive. I get all my stakes (Al and Ti) from China now. I'm guessing they manufacture them for just about everyone.
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Those Vargo V stakes with the slots certainly do bend in hard ground, from my own experience. I wasn't using the proper stake for conditions so the fault was mine. What would concern me with these Keith's is, although there are no slots, they have machined what looks like a secondary guy-line notch a couple of inches down, where the sweet-spot for twisting and bending a stake is, at least in anything but sand and other soft soil which of course is what these are recommended for exclusively.
Brett919
I used the Chinese Ti stakes that look like the Keith stakes in very hard and rocky ground in campgrounds in the Canadian Rockies (I tried camping in the trees off the hard areas but the rangers told me I couldn't). I had to bang them in with rocks or wood pieces, they didn't bend at all. My Ti skewer stakes did bend a little, but they are not meant for banging into this kind of soil.
So my first experience with the Chinese stakes was very good.