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lionSTEEL SR22A Sleipner Integral Frame Lock Knife

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lionSTEEL SR22A Sleipner Integral Frame Lock Knife

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Molleta-designed and equipped with a number of lionSTEEL’s patented features, the SR22 Aluminum knife is a plus for any pocket. 4D-machined from a single piece of Ergal aluminum wrought according to lionSTEEL’s SOLID knife technology, its handle maximizes strength while minimizing weight Read More

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Dec 11, 2020

ngl I might have to get this knife. Molletta knives are beautiful things and I've always wanted one for myself. I've been thinking about trying a Sleipner Lionsteel for a while, that or something like a ROK just to see if that hideaway clip is any good. Each and every time so far I've found a reason not to pull the trigger but it's never left my mind altogether to own one, and I really do like small but well done knives like this, they'll solve problems all day long for you. OTOH the one Lionsteel built knife I actually own - the DPx HEAT/F -- I gotta say I found a little disappointing even when I was done trying to tune it. Opening it is like trying to open the hatch on a tank. I'm sure there's guys out there for whom that's a feature but for me it's kinda not. Between that and a few other things I've read, I've had a bit of help going this long without plonking down for a Molletta, but, I dunno. Might be time at last.

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Jakob

378

Dec 11, 2020

Had to get this. My first Molleta design. They are sexy blades. Italians just have a knack for really attractive designs. Bought an Extrema Ratio fixed blade for the same reason, super sweet design that you just never see here in North America. Never really understood the European fixation for stainless steel on their fixed blades though.

defg

227

Nov 11, 2020

What is the real weight? Drop lists it as 5.2oz and BladeHQ lists it as 3.56oz. BHQ number is more realistic as it's an aluminum integral handle.

reswright

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Dec 11, 2020

defgSo this gets wilder the more I look at it. TLDR version: I think Drop might actually be closer on this one than BHQ Long version: SR22A length, blade length and weight as reported by several retail sites: Drop stats:

Total length: 7.1"
Blade length: 3.2"
Total weight: 5.2 oz

BHQ stats:

Total length: 7.25"
Blade length: 3.125"
Total weight: 3.56 oz

SMKW stats:

Total length:7.09"
Blade length:3.15"
Total weight: 5.15 oz

KC stats:

Total length:7.09"
Blade length:3.15"
Total weight:4.52 oz

GPK stats:

Total length: 7.19"
Blade length: 3.06"
Total weight: 3.5 oz

Lionsteel's official site:

Total length: 7.09"
Blade length: 3.15"
Total weight: 5.15 oz

*** So what do we have? Lionsteel's figures agree with SMKWs and no one else's. On the surface that's an argument that only SMKW got it right, but analytically it's just as likely that they just went with Lionsteel's official figures and everyone else measured from scratch (or copied and pasted from some other source instead). And if Lionsteel's figures are the right ones, why does everyone else have different figures? Overall length and blade length vary a little bit, but no more than that. To me sometimes it seems like if you ask ten different people to measure the length of a knife, they'll all get some slightly different figure. Between that and minor variations in length that can occur between grinding and finishing taking back the point a bit, the variation in numbers there seems fairly ordinary to me. The weight varies a lot, though, and that's a lot harder to explain away because there's no variation in how people weigh knives: they throw them on a scale and record the number from the scale. Minor differences in weight on the order of a few grams are common to see between different production runs of knives, and differences bigger than that can result when using different grades of steel for liners or frames. But this is an all aluminum alloy integral, a very light metal, and more importantly it's an integral being milled on a four axis milling machine that's controlled by a computer program -- so there should be if anything minimal measurable difference from one knife to the next. And we're seeing a weight range from 3.5oz to 5.2oz. That's just too big and the variation exists over too many sources to attribute it to different people measuring the same item or normal variation in manufacture. What other sources of error do you get? Well, copy and paste. I would normally wonder if the lowest weight readings (GPK at 3.5 ounces and BHQ at 3.56 ounces respectively) came from people just mistakenly copying the weight of a titanium SR22 instead of the aluminum SR22A, but according to Lionsteel the weight of the titanium model is actually 4.52 oz -- which is exactly what KC lists as the weight for the aluminum model, suggesting that THEY might have cut and pasted from the stats of the titanium model, but wherever the GPK and BHQ measurements came from, it wasn't the titanium model. They remain the outliers -- without them, especially if you attribute the KC figures as reflecting the weight of the titanium model and not the aluminum model, everyone's reporting a weight a little over five ounces. How can you attribute the differences in weight as reported by BHQ and GPK? Setting aside simple-ass error, it could be different aluminum alloy being used. Different aluminum alloys don't really have a huge difference in their density but they DO have big differences in strength, which means that some alloys will allow you to mill deeper weight relieving pockets into the handles of an integral knife like this, without compromising structural strength... or other alloys, being weaker, necessitate less weight relieving in order to keep the knife's measurable failure rate within acceptable tolerance ranges. So the variation could be deliberate and due to a change in aluminum alloy, which needn't be something shady. Knife manufacturers the world around are the runts of the industry with things like steel and aluminum, they buy in very small amounts compared to people building bridges and skyscrapers and vehicles, and are kind of forced to pick among the leavings of those larger buyers. An alloy that Maniago knifemakers can readily access for a reasonable price one day might be all gone, or priced out of reach due to scarcity the next, and some other grade of alloy must be made to make do instead. And both BHQ and GPK are big enough to buy out an entire production run of a niche manufacturer like Lionsteel, so that could be it. The other possibility is that over time Lionsteel was getting enough breakage and returns that they just decided to relieve the handle a little less as a result going forward even though no change in the grade of alloy ever took place, and hence possible that BHQ and GPK, being big operations, still have stock from an earlier production run and their knives really are at that weight.

Krapels

Nov 6, 2020

Shipped this is 149$ for black and orange..... I'd also have to wait until dec 3rd for the pre order to ship. I can source the same knife for 5$ more and get it today for free shipping fairly easily from knifecenter.

Dusenberg

Sep 14, 2020

What is the blade steel?

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granitestateofmind

Nov 5, 2020

DusenbergSleipner - here you go: https://www.uddeholm.com/us/en-us/products/uddeholm-sleipner/

Hydraxiler32

Nov 8, 2020

DusenbergIt's sleipner, to put it really simply it's kind of a like a decently tougher D2 with somewhat better edge retention. It's good stuff but not exceptional.

RyanWA

Sep 11, 2020

Seriously, only 18 units? What a joke

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Morvay

Sep 13, 2020

RyanWAMaybe that's why then went away from being called massdrop. Nothing mass about 18 sell units. That's pathetic. They should just start a facebook lottery group, lol