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Don’t let a little wind keep you indoors. Weighing just 2.7 ounces, the Massdrop Veil wind shell is ideal for hiking, biking, running, traveling, and more Read More
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Hi everyone!
I wanted to jump in and give some more details on the technical aspects of the Veil fabric.
My name is Kim Suarez, and I am the Soft Goods Product Development Manager at Massdrop. I came to Massdrop 6 months ago after working for over 6 years in Product Development for major brands in the outdoor and denim space.
This fabric was developed in partnership with the mill OneChang in South Korea. They are experts when it comes to lightweight nylon fabrics in both downproof and highly breathable applications. Some of the companies they work with include The North Face, Patagonia, Columbia, and now Massdrop!
Our initial brief to OneChang was to find a lightweight nylon fabric that was windproof, durable, breathable, and had a DWR finish. This didn't exist within their off-shelf fabric library, so we began the 6-month process of developing a custom fabric together that would have all of these attributes.
This included hundreds of emails, phone calls, and back-and-forth discussions with their amazing team to land where we did for the Veil. They answered all of our questions and performed multiple tests to make sure we were on the right track.
Along with formal lab testing of this fabric, we passed samples out to key influencers in the trail running and ultralight space, and also did some informal testing ourselves. This included many miles of running in this jacket in heat, cold, and rain—Bay Area weather can be finicky, but great for testing products! A run on a particularly hot day led us to add an antibacterial finish to ensure odor is controlled during your high-output endeavors.
What we landed on in terms of basic fabric specs is below:
• 100% nylon
• 15d
• 31 gsm
• 11.2 CFM
• 5.5 lb average tear strength in warp/weft
• Antibacterial finish for odor control
We did formal lab testing at 10 home launders of the DWR finish, and it still remained at 95% of its original repellency. To answer @MasterRo question in addition to what Danny has added, the DWR will diminish over time. This can be avoided to some extent with minimal washing and placing the jacket in low dryer settings for 15 minutes after washing. And, of course, you can apply a new coating yourself, with a product like Nikwax TX Direct spray-on water-repellent treatment, found at most outdoor stores.
If you really want to geek out on this fabric, see further details below:
• This fabric is silicone coated, which is better than PU coating for this type of product, as it permeates into the fabric and is lighter weight
• Semi-dull yarns were used to reduce the shine of the fabric and make it more relevant to everyday wear
• Nylon texture yarns were twisted with nylon filament yarns to ensure there was the right amount of texture to the fabric, while avoiding irritation and rubbing when next to the skin
• Very fine nylon filaments were used to create a durable fabric with a soft hand (for context, the denier of each filament is 1.176d versus silk at 1d)
Thanks for checking out the Veil! If you have any additional questions, please ask away!
MasterRo
86
Nov 14, 2019
kim.suarezAny chance you would consider changing the coil zipper to a Vislon Zipper?
MasterRo
86
Jan 3, 2020
Silicone encapsulated nylon can have various weaves because it is not "silicone coated" per se. The desity of the weave will dictate the degree of water repellency.
DannyMilks
4557
Jan 30, 2018
Hello everyone,
We’re thrilled to present our newest Massdrop product: the Veil Wind Shell. At 2.7 ounces, it’s light and packs down small enough to always carry with you. Wind shells are a critical piece of nearly any outdoor lover's kit, whether you’re running, backpacking, day hiking, or mountain biking. So why doesn't everyone own or use a wind shell?
Not Breathable: The most popular wind shells have zero breathability, which means you'll sweat as soon as you start exercising, even during low-output activities like walking. This includes such jackets as the Patagonia Houdini and Mountain Hardwear Ghost Lite.
Look and Feel: The sweat-inducing fabrics most commonly used tend to feel plastic-y and are really shiny, which not everybody likes. I've frequently heard that they look and feel like you're wearing a garbage bag.
Price: Typically, wind shells cost between $90 and $140. For those of you who have and use your wind shell, the cost is usually worth it, despite the downsides (look, feel, breathability). But for any of you who haven't tried it out, the cost can seem unnecessarily high for what seems like a super simple item, and one that often is thought of only as an emergency piece.
The Benefit Isn't Obvious: The most common use case for a wind shell is that it is a just-in-case item—like if you get caught in a storm or cold front, this light, packable jacket will protect you just enough so you can get back to camp or your car. Runners often use a wind shell as a warm-up piece, and then stow it away for the rest of their run. But there are a multitude of other uses . . .
Well, we heard you, so we worked with the top mill to make a custom fabric that addresses these issues. Then, the jacket is made in the highest-quality factory with a design and fit that makes this an unbeatable all-around piece. We'll go into production as soon as the drop ends with delivery in Summer. So here it is:
Windproof and Breathable: It's challenging to make a fabric that is both breathable and windproof (so body humidity can get out but cold air can't get in). The fabric we've developed has some breathability, which means you'll stay comfortable longer. It extends the jacket’s use from being just an emergency item to being possible to wear all day long for low-intensity activities (like hiking and traveling) and still work well for biking and running. Aesthetics: We worked with the mill to create a fabric that is high performance AND good looking/feeling. It took a lot of back-and-forth to create just the right fabric. We wanted to make this jacket comfortable feeling and good looking enough to wear around town, while commuting, and while traveling. Highest Performance-to-Price Ratio: Thanks to our business model, smart sourcing, and working directly with the mill and manufacturer, we've been able to cut out all of the fat and give you the best bang for the buck anywhere. An Essential Item: A great wind jacket protects you from the wind, of course, but also can be used for so much more. For low-activity sports, you can wear it all day long in mild weather while maintaining a comfortable body temperature. The roll-away hood makes this better for cycling, and I use it daily on my bike commute. It is significantly warmer than a long-sleeve base layer while being much lighter and more packable. It protects against mosquitoes. You can use it for light rain, like we see here in California. I carry a wind shell instead of a rain shell for 8 months of the year (note: this is not waterproof, but it'll resist precip better than a base layer). And it adds significant warmth when worn over a lightweight down jacket.*
A note on fit: This jacket has an athletic cut. If you generally wear medium, then a medium Veil will fit over a T-shirt or base layer. If you intend to wear it over a thicker fleece or down jacket, then go up one size. For reference, the model is 5’11”, 160 lbs, and always wears a medium in other brands. He is wearing a medium Veil over a thin fleece. In the future, we will strive to offer women’s sizes as well. We are providing two ways to figure out the best fit for you: first is the jacket measurements, so you can compare to an existing jacket, and second is the recommended size for your body measurements. Jacket Dimensions
Windproof and Breathable: It's challenging to make a fabric that is both breathable and windproof (so body humidity can get out but cold air can't get in). The fabric we've developed has some breathability, which means you'll stay comfortable longer. It extends the jacket’s use from being just an emergency item to being possible to wear all day long for low-intensity activities (like hiking and traveling) and still work well for biking and running. Aesthetics: We worked with the mill to create a fabric that is high performance AND good looking/feeling. It took a lot of back-and-forth to create just the right fabric. We wanted to make this jacket comfortable feeling and good looking enough to wear around town, while commuting, and while traveling. Highest Performance-to-Price Ratio: Thanks to our business model, smart sourcing, and working directly with the mill and manufacturer, we've been able to cut out all of the fat and give you the best bang for the buck anywhere. An Essential Item: A great wind jacket protects you from the wind, of course, but also can be used for so much more. For low-activity sports, you can wear it all day long in mild weather while maintaining a comfortable body temperature. The roll-away hood makes this better for cycling, and I use it daily on my bike commute. It is significantly warmer than a long-sleeve base layer while being much lighter and more packable. It protects against mosquitoes. You can use it for light rain, like we see here in California. I carry a wind shell instead of a rain shell for 8 months of the year (note: this is not waterproof, but it'll resist precip better than a base layer). And it adds significant warmth when worn over a lightweight down jacket.*
A note on fit: This jacket has an athletic cut. If you generally wear medium, then a medium Veil will fit over a T-shirt or base layer. If you intend to wear it over a thicker fleece or down jacket, then go up one size. For reference, the model is 5’11”, 160 lbs, and always wears a medium in other brands. He is wearing a medium Veil over a thin fleece. In the future, we will strive to offer women’s sizes as well. We are providing two ways to figure out the best fit for you: first is the jacket measurements, so you can compare to an existing jacket, and second is the recommended size for your body measurements. Jacket Dimensions
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j0lee
1
Feb 1, 2018
Do you have the dimensions of the packed/compressed size?
Also, I'm not sure if my monitor is showing the colors accurately so, is the "autumn maple" color pretty much like a dark hunter orange? And is the "midnight blue" color almost a black?
Also, I'm not sure if my monitor is showing the colors accurately so, is the "autumn maple" color pretty much like a dark hunter orange? And is the "midnight blue" color almost a black?
DannyMilks
4557
Feb 1, 2018
j0leePacked away in the chest pocket, it measures about 3" x 5" x 2.5". However there is as lot of extra space in that pocket and it could be compressed down to half the volume easily, like 3" x 2.5" x 2.5".
AaronSorensen
79
Baldy Marathons
Jan 31, 2018
3rd Party Review
Danny is kind enough to throw some product development gear my way to test. It's winter, so I haven't been able to use it as extensively as I would have liked to.
I am 5' 10" at 165 and usually go with a large.
This wind jacket has a very athletic fit for the medium I was given to test. A large would be perfect, (in fact I will be ordering a large come Friday).
The medium was just a little too slim and the sleeve length just about a 1/2 inch short. You will definitely want to size up if you are taller or not athletic cut.
The large will hopefully be a few inches longer which will make a huge difference while being worn over a few layers.
I use a windshirt more to hold my body heat in than just to block the wind. This windshirt breathes really well and I haven't been clammy at all in the 20 hours Ive used it while being out on a hike or run..
The fabric truly is as advertised. It has a much more robust feel to it than 10d and 7d fabrics. There's a texture to the feel that is really nice. I think it's that the ripstop threads are twice the thickness and the weave of them alows for that better release of vapor build up from your body.
Even with the medium, I didn't have any rubbing issues. The lower torso was slim but the rest of the fit was really nice. There is a generous amount of room around the armpits and shoulders, but nothing is baggy.
My favorite part (other than it being a full zipp), was the no frills hood.
It fits very well. I hate hoods that accommodate a helmet. There is no stiffening to the brim or draw cords. The cut is just a very nice fit.
If I had a large, I could tell you much more information about the sizing.
This really is a great wind jacket.
Danny is kind enough to throw some product development gear my way to test. It's winter, so I haven't been able to use it as extensively as I would have liked to.
I am 5' 10" at 165 and usually go with a large.
This wind jacket has a very athletic fit for the medium I was given to test. A large would be perfect, (in fact I will be ordering a large come Friday).
The medium was just a little too slim and the sleeve length just about a 1/2 inch short. You will definitely want to size up if you are taller or not athletic cut.
The large will hopefully be a few inches longer which will make a huge difference while being worn over a few layers.
I use a windshirt more to hold my body heat in than just to block the wind. This windshirt breathes really well and I haven't been clammy at all in the 20 hours Ive used it while being out on a hike or run..
The fabric truly is as advertised. It has a much more robust feel to it than 10d and 7d fabrics. There's a texture to the feel that is really nice. I think it's that the ripstop threads are twice the thickness and the weave of them alows for that better release of vapor build up from your body.
Even with the medium, I didn't have any rubbing issues. The lower torso was slim but the rest of the fit was really nice. There is a generous amount of room around the armpits and shoulders, but nothing is baggy.
My favorite part (other than it being a full zipp), was the no frills hood.
It fits very well. I hate hoods that accommodate a helmet. There is no stiffening to the brim or draw cords. The cut is just a very nice fit.
If I had a large, I could tell you much more information about the sizing.
This really is a great wind jacket.
PatC
85
Feb 1, 2018
AaronSorensenAaron - can you share any pictures of you in the shell? Thank you for the mini review.
Idgntater
13
Nov 16, 2018
Add me to the list of women that would have joined this drop if there had been women sizes.
Sloper
16
Jul 25, 2018
Way too small. I normally wear a size medium and ordered this in that size since the chest measurement is 42” and I am a 40”. Guess what? I cannot zip the chest closed and the arms do not even fit over my forearms. What a waste of my time and money.
JeffG
85
Jul 27, 2018
If the size doesn't match the information provided by Massdrop you can absolutely return it. I'd be surprised if wherever you live doesn't have at least enough consumer protection to allow returning an item that differs significantly from how it was advertised.
ktenness
126
Feb 1, 2018
Since the Veil isn't available in a woman's fit, what are my options for an ultralight affordable & breathable wind shell? #womenstax
Stepbystep
549
Feb 14, 2018
ktennessMontbell has some great deals in their outlet right now including the very wispy Tachyon which I guess they've discontinued now. They have other similar pieces in their normal stock section. Not sure what the cut is like for women, usually a pretty trim athletic cut for men. Great company, pretty high quality stuff for the most part.
https://www.montbell.us/products/list.php?cat_id=5010&gen_cd=2&fo_flg=1
https://www.montbell.us/products/list.php?cat_id=5010&gen_cd=2&fo_flg=1
Minnehik
19
Feb 9, 2018
I'm looking forward to a women's version. I can wait - I guess. Just please, I beg you, offer color choices that include more than the so-trite pink/magenta/baby blue that other makers seem to believe are what women want to (or should?) wear!
DannyMilks
4557
Feb 28, 2018
Thank you for the suggestion and brands! We will try to offer as many sizes for the womens model.
abela
523
Jul 28, 2018
Just got mine a day ago, got it outside this morning to shoot a 360 video of, so folks can see what it looks like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv7M7a5dMfU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv7M7a5dMfU
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