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Bunn
5
Aug 16, 2017
Yet another audio newbie here with questions/concerns. Would this amp be a great place to start or should I look to buy a DAC/AMP combo for around the same price? From reading the comments and description I can easily tell Cavalli is one of the best at what he does, so I'd hate to miss this chance especially at a price like this. I guess I'm asking should I get this or wait for Massdrop to announce more of their collaborations. I'm getting the HD 6XXs, upgrading from Sony MDR 7506s so that's already a big jump.
elira
222
Aug 16, 2017
BunnI read in one review that the Cavalli pairs well with the HD650. And the HD650 are known for pair well with tube amps. I think this amp is worth it if it fits your budget.
Taetertot
35
Aug 16, 2017
You're talking about a $100 Schiit stack amp versus a $250 Cavalli amp.
The point of this amp, it seems to me, is if you want better than budget range, but don't want to bump up to the ~$500 price range. The Schiit alternative would be Asgard 2, at $250. That is a solid state amp; so if you want tube/hybrid, go Cavalli, if you want ss, go Asgard 2. In either case, the DAC portion of the Schiit stack, the Modi 2, might be a decent pairing with this amp if you upgrade to multibit option.
For me it's a no brainer; Cavalli entry level products don't come around that often, and this firm has a stellar reputation, which I think is well deserved. Get the Cavalli, if you are in the market for an amp at this price range.
Taetertot
35
Aug 16, 2017
I had volume pot issues too, but Cavalli resolved it without a fuss. Alex himself, over the holidays. I haven't fallen for hype, I have the unit and the sound is amazing.
Volume pot aside, you're telling me you didn't like the sound of the LC, didn't think it was worth the money? Or did you even listen to it?
Jaggi
737
Aug 16, 2017
You're not here to convince us that "Cavalli stuff is just over priced junk"? Could have fooled me!
We already know that these are going to be manufactured in China, and frankly if the amp actually contains $70 worth of components in a custom case for just $250 I'd be fairly impressed.
I assume you own at least some electrical equipment from a major brand? How much do you think the components in that equipment cost the manufacturer? You'd be pretty lucky to find $70 worth for every $250 the equipment cost you, and these specialized amps aren't being mass produced on the kind of scale that major brands get to take advantage of.
I don't know why you have such a hatred of all things Cavalli, but your rant above is full of vitriol and devoid of rational argument. If you actually do have a valid point to make perhaps you'd like to calm down and try again?
Shawnb
6
Aug 17, 2017
Utter BS.
Shawnb
6
Aug 17, 2017
Keep trolling away if that makes you feel better
Jaggi
737
Aug 17, 2017
I was replying to your initial response to Taetertot, and on re-reading it I still feel it was largely an emotional rant with no real sources or facts to back up your attacks. Just telling people to go and use google doesn't qualify.
Thank you for the link though, it does raise some possible concerns around the design and component selection in other Cavalli amps. I wouldn't go as far as to call it facts though. There are basically two posters who certainly give the impression that they know what they're talking about and who are heavily critical of the LC's design and component selection. Unfortunately I don't have the knowledge or expertise to really judge how valid those criticisms are.
There's no way to audition this amp and so we're all relying on the opinions and reviews of others on the net to make the decision of whether to purchase it or not. However I have to admit I'm starting to wonder if it wouldn't be prudent to wait and let others be the guinea pigs...
By the way, have you read much else on that head-case forum? Those same two posters I mentioned seem to be just as dismissive of Schiit products, see the Jotunheim thread near the top of the Headphone Amp forum for example.
Speaking to your argument, not the quality or value of the product here. When you are targeting a retail price for a manufactured good, 4x cost is pretty standard. Assuming nominal assembly costs, if your estimate of a $70 BOM is accurate, a $250 price is very much in line with what you would expect. I am not familiar with the product in question, but the implication that by containing $70 of parts, this is a rip-off at $250 (all other concerns asides) is not accurate.
d3ss0u
48
Aug 17, 2017
head-case.org is full of Cavalli hatters.
But it appears the one who shat on the Liquid Carbon, is now also shitting on Schiit. https://www.head-case.org/forums/topic/12921-schiit-jotunheim/?do=findComment&comment=764242 K. Gilmore has designed quite a few nice headamp (KGSS, GD-X mk2 ...), but it really seems like his achievements got to his head ...
Shawnb
6
Aug 17, 2017
d3ss0uI'm sure everyone else is wrong and only they are right.
Taetertot
35
Aug 17, 2017
JaggiThe component list argument isn't all that meaningful a one anyway, just look at how many products use a 4490 chip. Prices range from $100 to $500, sound varies widely. Implementation is just as important as the part used. Let's not talk about dacs and amps the same way we do about vrms on a motherboard.
Bunn
5
Aug 17, 2017
TaetertotThis discussion got a lot more heated than I initially intended haha. If anything I know this community is heavily subjective and there's generally no wrong answer unless you purchase utter garbage that doesn't work. But so far I've learned a lot so thanks guys
Vigrith
4081
Aug 17, 2017
BunnDon't worry, not your fault, @RaidBoss3d is clearly butthurt about something and/or trying to rile people up for no reason. It's not on you for starting the discussion with a completely reasonable question.
For what it's worth, plenty of people whom I trust very much have spoken for the competency of this amp - many comparisons have been drawn to Schiit's lineup and though I cannot speak from personal experience just yet I'd say anything under the Jotunheim would be hard-pressed to be a better purchase than the CTH.
Jotunheim is a very precise and forward sounding (or rather, characterless) unit so this would be a little more relaxed (albeit by a small amount from what I've been told) but other than that I can't really be of all that much help specifically speaking.
Marlowe
143
Aug 18, 2017
VigrithOne thing that has bothered me here, and in other forums discussing the CTH as well, critics of the CTH (none of whom have heard it) have often used it's Chinese provenance in a pejorative manner and compared it negatively to the US made Schiit products. (Though a lot more nastily than I have just characterized it.) I live in the US and certainly have nothing against Schiit--I own a Fulla 2 and a Magni 2U, and quite like them though not really using either much ATM, and am very happily using the Modi Multibit as my DAC with no plans to upgrade. But I also have some Chinese made gear that I like a lot: the Hifiman 400i and the Little Dot MK III (with Russian and British made tubes ATM). I like the LD a lot and use it to pair with my Sennheiser HD 700, since I use those cans the most and they sound a lot better with tubes than with the Magni. There certainly are plenty of cheap, crappy products made in China (and elsewhere for that matter), but there is plenty of great gear made there also. I could make some pejorative comments of my own, but it's probably best to keep politics off this forum.
Oh, and while I don't like the long delay, I bought a CTH since it hopefully should pair well with the HD 700 and the 400i, my other amps work well with one and not the other, as well as the 6XX which is coming in four months now. Plus it's intriguing, looks great, and likely my only chance to own a Cavalli designed amp.
YellowBird
6
Aug 18, 2017
TatteredmidnightAnd the MD price includes shipping. So, figure the real price of the Cavalli to be $220-$230.
koolpep
929
Aug 18, 2017
I have a LC 1.0 and never had any issues and I sold all my Schiit gear except the dacs. Lyr, Valhalla, Asgard, Magni2U, Vali. Don’t get me wrong, I love Schiit as a company and I really like some of their products, they are great. But the LC beats everything I heard in the price range I got it for, $499 - easily.
What I kept is my Burson Conductor, Liquid Carbon, Sony 1140, Bottlehead Crack with Speedball And the ifi iDSD micro. These are giving me the most pleasure at the price levels I got them for.
I don’t like comments that ridicule or bash things. Especially with such broad brushes. Cavalli amps are highly regardeded but there will always be haters.
NotABot
424
Aug 18, 2017
Jaggi" it was largely an emotional rant with no real sources or facts to back up your attacks. Just telling people to go and use google doesn't qualify. "
Yeah, it was totally an emotional rant, which was funny as he kept saying that it was a rational argument.
Vigrith
4081
Aug 18, 2017
MarlowePeople refuse to understand and accept the fact that "made in China" no longer (if it ever did) necessarily means the product is lacklustre and cheaply handled. It's a ridiculous mindset to support nowadays, there are plenty of Chinese based (as well as brands that have their production fulfilled in China) companies and brands that make amazing, not even necessarily cheaper, products.
I love Schiit and I'm not even American, I'll gladly support their brand whenever I can - I own like 6 of their products at this point - associating quality with place of manufacture is such a retrograde concept these days. Does it still happen some times? Yea. Is it directly/inversely proportional? Absolutely not.
VigrithPerfect chance to say this but Vigrith I love your comments on the discussion board. Nonbiased, non emotional, etc. Keep it up!
ymshulman
0
Mar 25, 2018
koolpepI have the iFi micro iDSD (paired with the HD6xx), and would like my next upgrade to get into the tube sound. Based on your experience, which would you point me towards - something like this from LC, or the Bottlehead Crack?
koolpep
929
Mar 25, 2018
ymshulmanI have the BH crack and it’s a glorious pairing with the HD6XX. But I want to issue a warning. Getting into tubes is highly addictive and while it is fun, it can be very hurtful for your wallet. There is always another holy grail new old stock tube out there that might sound just perfect :-) Now Schiit jut launched the Lyr3 - a huge benefit is that this amp only has one tube - which does limit the spending somewhat. So that might be the smarter choice. The LC sounds wonderful with the HD6XX and is much more versatile. The BH crack can realistically only be used with high impedance headphones 300 Ohms and up. Choices are limited nowadays. LC, Lyr3 etc can drive even IEMs without issues, the crack can’t thanks to it’s 150 Ohm Output impedance.
But again tubes have their own magic. It’s quite interesting how they can alter the sound and there is something special in seeing them warm up and glow before hearing them the first time.
Hope that helps a little.
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