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junki
327
Mar 30, 2018
I just want to share with potential buyers (as I was one myself) that, according to the following measurements, the noise level of this amp is absurdly high:
http://superbestaudiofriends.org/index.php?threads/massdrop-cavalli-tube-hybrid-amp-technical-measurements.5900/
This level of noise results in a measured SNR of -77.9 dB @ 0.775 Vrms into 300 or 30 ohms, while the rated SNR is -97 dB @ 1 Vrms into 45 ohms. It also contributes to the poor linearity of the amplifier.
Atomicbob tried to improve on the noise level by using his (very good and expensive) LPS, but even then it resulted in a SNR of -90 dB, still almost 10x under spec.
I've raised this issue with the author (and @CEE_TEE) and have not gotten a response from anyone yet. Because the level of noise measured is so high and downstream metrics differ so much from published specs, there is a chance of that the measured unit was defective (far less of the chance that Atomicbob didn't know what he was doing).
I am taking the "wait for a response from @CEE_TEE" before purchasing.
EDIT: The response is "you're dumb to complain because people like its sound. There's nothing wrong with advertising SNR at 100x lower than actual SNR." Wow.
EDIT2: After much consternation all around, Atomicbob has new measurements which show that tube was defective. The MCTH performs to spec.
Guts76
0
Mar 31, 2018
junkihe didn’t say that to you. He was trying to explain it to you and you bad mouthed Massdrop for trying to post bogus results. But it seems you didn’t get that either.......
junki
327
Mar 31, 2018
Guts76Here's a metaphor you might, or might not, be able to better understand.
You come to me with a brand of frozen chicken nuggets that I, a food expert, reviewed. On the product box, it says "made with real chunks of white meat chicken," yet in my review I clearly show how these nuggets are made from mechanically separated chicken. I don't explain it further because there were a lot of things to cover in that review, but I do add some highlights, all of which are positive remarks about how the product tastes good. And, it does taste good.
You, a budding chicken nugget enthusiast and consumer, is interested in this chicken product, but you're worried about the mismatch of what the packaging says and what I said in my review. You're concerned because you've seen my other reviews, and they've convinced you that I am a reliable source of expertise for this sort of information. You trust me. You respect my opinion. So, what do you do? You raise the issue with me and ask for my advice. You think, maybe he reviewed a bad batch of nuggets? Maybe there was something overlooked? Surely this can be cleared up.
My response to you is: "Focusing on this specific detail on the product packaging will mislead you to false conclusions. Can you even taste the difference anyway? Here's a sample for you to taste. I personally enjoy these nuggets, they have excellent kick and balance of flavor."
You feel insulted because in your mind, the issue at hand isn't ultimately how good the chicken tastes, but the fact that you're fairly sure mechanically separated chicken strays too far from being real chunks of white meat chicken. Yet your trusted expert just said, "Can you taste the difference anyway?" implying that if the answer is "No", then there is no issue at hand. (???)
You're triggered, and after some back and forth, I eventually tell you, "When it comes to chicken nuggets, industry rules allow for wider variance on what can be defined as real chunks of white meat chicken, and that can include mechanically separated white meat chicken."
That's the only signal that came out of the noise, the bit of expert information you were missing, whether you agree with it or not. You wonder why I didn't say that in the first place, instead of predicating the relevancy of inaccurate advertising on the ultimate, holistic taste.
Guts76
0
Apr 1, 2018
junkiYou still don’t get it. Let me put it in chicken terms since you must like chicken. If your chicken can from farm A and mine came from farm B and we tested each, the taste would be different hence the difference in measurements, but nothing can be different can it. Since we only tested one...
JoeSerp
53
May 21, 2020
junkiI get horrific noise from this amp. Totally poor and unacceptable levels form one channel- a hiss.
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