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Massdrop x Ferrum Forge Falcon Damascus Knife
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The Falcon is our best-selling knife to date. We’ve seen it in different finishes, with wings, and fully blacked out—but never have we seen it with Damascus steel Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downmike.j
300
Dec 6, 2018
What's better than a falcon? A falcon with DAMASCUS!
Since joining the blades team here at Massdrop in August, I was shared the privilege of knowing about this top secret project and its forthcoming plans to use Vegas Forge Damascus. Right away I knew we had something special.
The Falcon was already a community favorite and a powerful offering amongst the thousands of knives available for anyone to purchase across dozens of different websites and retail stores but we wanted to figure out if we could take this to another level and really make it stand out.
We work with the Ferrum Forge brothers, Elliot and Chris, every week on gathering opinions of their designs with variations of materials and finishes and it is always great to have their input. As you’re all aware, we've taken FFKW designs and added various milling patterns to models already released to give another breathe of fresh air to the design but how do we truly take it to another level?
In comes Vegas Forge. Vegas Forge has been producing quality billets of Damascus for a few years now and we chose them for their great, uniform patterns. They truly want to produce the best Damascus they can. We also chose Vegas Forge after noticing that many great makers use Vegas Forge Damascus including Eric Ochs, Nick Swan, Greg Burger, Craig Brown, Jason Guthrie, Ed Cope, and the list goes on.
As with anything we do, we prototyped a couple versions of the Falcon in Damascus before landing on the perfect model. We tried Vegas Forge’s Fireball and Reptilian patterns and fell in love with the Reptilian pattern for the Falcon. The Fireball, while a fantastic pattern, didn’t pop in the way we were hoping it would compared to the Reptilian pattern.
Another change we knew we needed to make was to move our logo and serialization from the lock side of the blade. The Damascus was just too pretty to have any laser markings so we moved the Massdrop logo to the backspacer. We also subtly moved the serialization to the inside of the show scale of the knife.
Did I mention this is a limited edition drop? Only 50 units will be produced and once they’re gone, they’re gone forever!
For those of you who have asked for Damascus options, todays your day. We hope you enjoy it as much as we do. Thanks for your interest in this special release of the Falcon and feel free to ask any questions. I’ll be checking in often to field any questions you all might have.
Only the best,
Mike
Edit: Corrected number of units in drop limit.
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DougFLA123
1404
Dec 10, 2018
Place the logo on the inside of the handle, across from where the serial number is (on this particular knife). On collaborations that don’t have a serial number on the inside of the handle, where this one is, place the Massdrop logo right there!
SDante
109
Dec 24, 2018
It's not Damascus steel, it's water patterned steel. There is a big difference. Damascus steel isn't made anymore, only imitation Damascus steel, like this.
RayF
22215
Jan 7, 2019
You see, here's what I'm talking about: you'd be surprised how infrequently a guy like myself, actually needs "to weave stands of metal into a basket faced helmet"--it just doesn't come up that often.
I guess I lead a duller life than your do? I'm okay with that--not everyone was born to save the Galaxy;--turns out, I am not Groot--I'm okay with that too ;- )
SDante
109
Jan 7, 2019
I have a box knife and letter opener for such things as boxes and letters.
I have a spring steel interrobang(minus the tittle) shaped device for cutting rope, boxes and letters. It also opens doors and is good for setting animal traps. It doesn't have a name since it is just something I make that fits in your back pocket, but it's perfectly angled to cut the Vagus and is legally classed as a "tool" rather than a knife or weapon.
As for not weaving metal? Woven fences, woven balustrades, woven wire (e.g. power lines), woven fencing, barbed wire (it's woven), et absurdum. Sometimes people even weave a metal basket for a pot plant.
Metal is very often woven. You'd be surprised how often a metal worker would weave metal. Like if you joined metal, folded it, joined, folded,... that would be a weave. Pattern welding is one form of weaving you seem to appreciate. The sword I have is antique and not Japanese, it was made for my great aunt. The blades I make are made to fit their purpose. Mu edc is neither hidden nor worn on the hip, it falls in the convenient grey area over here, reading helps you know things. You leading a dull life is no excuse for you to lead an uneducated life. Maybe one day you will need to join some wire, and not have a lug. I would weave the metal together since it's easy, quick and strong. You don't believe in metal weaving, so repairs is not going to be your strong suit. I rarely use Amazon because of the high prices. MD is a good place to look but rarely a smart place to buy from, unless it's something peculiar or something that doesn't come up often. I didn't choose you as my audience, you chose my by crying that the knife was Damascus, except you don't know about Damascus and didn't "pick your audience" well. The knife is woven, using pattern welding, to imitate an alloy. A fool and his money are soon parted, thus, I expect you to spend a great deal more on knives like this. Don't spend so much time watching dodgy sword movies. For the most part, I'm talking about modern metallurgy, which spans methods from past to present. Only a knife person would care if the knife is any good, or at least as described.
Metal is very often woven. You'd be surprised how often a metal worker would weave metal. Like if you joined metal, folded it, joined, folded,... that would be a weave. Pattern welding is one form of weaving you seem to appreciate. The sword I have is antique and not Japanese, it was made for my great aunt. The blades I make are made to fit their purpose. Mu edc is neither hidden nor worn on the hip, it falls in the convenient grey area over here, reading helps you know things. You leading a dull life is no excuse for you to lead an uneducated life. Maybe one day you will need to join some wire, and not have a lug. I would weave the metal together since it's easy, quick and strong. You don't believe in metal weaving, so repairs is not going to be your strong suit. I rarely use Amazon because of the high prices. MD is a good place to look but rarely a smart place to buy from, unless it's something peculiar or something that doesn't come up often. I didn't choose you as my audience, you chose my by crying that the knife was Damascus, except you don't know about Damascus and didn't "pick your audience" well. The knife is woven, using pattern welding, to imitate an alloy. A fool and his money are soon parted, thus, I expect you to spend a great deal more on knives like this. Don't spend so much time watching dodgy sword movies. For the most part, I'm talking about modern metallurgy, which spans methods from past to present. Only a knife person would care if the knife is any good, or at least as described.
Benjabooly
373
Dec 7, 2018
GFuggitThe made in china part is not the problem here. Look up reate, they have some similar prices and will do better work than most american custom knifemakers. The problem just is that the price is way to high for the upgrade. 200$ for that damascus is the issue
Zackad
57
Dec 10, 2018
At $329 this knife is more expensive than the custom-production Eric Ochs Orca offered on here a few months back, complete with the MokuTi hardware upgrade. Find it hard to justify, personally, considering the steel is much lower quality. While I know most Dam knives are typically show pieces and don't see much hard use, knives, at least for me, are one of those items that even if they don't see hard use, I'd like to know it will be capable and measure up if/when I need it.
It's a beautiful knife though, aesthetically.
14themoney
1395
Dec 31, 2018
Thank you for your first line. It saved me from typing it. This is a great post. I would like to think that MD read it.
ManaScream
38
Dec 7, 2018
Good job on the guys noting that it’s a combination of AEB-L and 302... I have no experience with either steel as knife steels, anyone who can lend me some experience?
and @mike.j can we please get some feedback about the HRC and wether it’s AEB-L and 302 intertwined on the edge or it’s only AEB-L? If that’s even possible?
massdrop01
783
Dec 7, 2018
I heard Vanax by itself is more expensive than Maxamet, let alone a san-mai damascus steel made of vanax. One can dream...
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billc
410
Dec 6, 2018
I think this is overpriced. Also, I’m unsure of the thinking behind a combination of AEB-L and 302. They seem pretty mismatched to me. Nice looking, anyway.
dirc
89
Dec 7, 2018
billcThe problem really is 302 steel. It is not meant for a knife. Carbon is 0.15% which is about 4-5 times lower than you want in a knife steel. Completely wrong choice, I don't know how ferrum forge could make such a big mistake, it seems they lack real world experience with steel use.
Which is odd, since AEB-L is quite good for a knife. Replace the 302 with 15n20 and you might have something decent :)
14themoney
1395
Dec 7, 2018
I have a $13.00 Old Hickory with rather funky ergos, but, damn! Does it get sharp. My nakiri is carbon steel. (Gave my stainless Shun away to a good friend.)
AverageJoe
18
Dec 23, 2018
$300+ for a Chinese blade? That's laughably overpriced. You can buy something similar at a flea market for 20 bucks and I still wouldn't waste my time.
WolfOFJax
79
Jan 11, 2019
I know exactly what you mean. But times are indeed changing!
Although many products made in China are still of low quality with inferior materials, WE Knife has my full approval!
High quality steel with a good guarantee through MassDrop.
But again, I understand your concerns for Chinese goods.
*Edit because apparently I'm unable to spell in the early morning.
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JDM_GT
192
Jan 12, 2019
OK ill clear it up, WE Knives who assembles and make the knife is a Chinese company, Ferrum Forge is an American company who designed the knife, and Vegas Forge is an American company who makes the blade steel in this case. and then you have Massdrop whos knife it really is and they are American.
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mike.j
300
Dec 11, 2018
Hi everyone,
Appreciate the discussion around the Falcon Damascus and the opportunity to clarify and address some of your comments. Our friends at Vegas Forge have helped to provide some detailed insights for you.
Vegas Forge Reptilian patterns do incorporate 302, as do almost every other pattern of stainless Damascus that the company makes (related, the majority of reputable Damascus companies also use 300 series as contrasting colors). Unlike other 300 series steels like 304 or 316, which some makers use, the 302 that Vegas Forge uses is hardenable, meaning it can be heat-treated to a HRC of 41. Damascus needs a contrasting, shiny steel to look good and the 300 series, specifically 302 is the best option for achieving that. It’s important to also note that 302 only makes up 10% of the Reptilian Damascus’ composition. As such, there’s a significantly low negative effect on the Damascus’ durability and there’s an increase in its corrosion resistance capabilities.
The other 90% of the blade is 440c and AEB-L -- both of which can attain a HRC of 60. After heat-treat hardening to 60 HRC, they need to be tempered, which would leave the finish hardness at 58 HRC. Damascus is without a doubt an upgrade in steel in regards to price and style.
You may be curious as to why super steel wasn’t used. Well, that’s because super steels aren’t available in thin/small sizes, which are needed to make intricate patterns like Reptilian. Vegas Forge starts with material that is .02 and .002 thin. While they do have a super steel “Razorwire,” that is made from 3V and CPM-154, it doesn’t look nearly as cool or as intricate as Vegas Forge’s other patterns. They use powder (cpm-154) and 3V rods to make those.
Our aim in creating this truly beautiful product is for it to be a collectors item and a piece of art, which also holds a good edge for any normal day to day use.
Hope this clears some things up for you!
massdrop01
783
Dec 7, 2018
BoxBladeYeah paying much more for cosmetic is one thing, but paying much more for cosmetic and performance downgrade is another matter. S35VN is arguably the better performing steel vs AEBL/44C/302 combo.
Notsurewhyibother
1200
Dec 10, 2018
massdrop01I don't think it's even arguable. It is a performance downgrade. However, the chance any of these will see hard enough use to notice is approaching zero.
Interesting looking knife but not for me. Hope those who get one enjoy it.
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