There Are Pandas, and Then There Are Pandas.
And this isn't either of them! The Pandas we're talking about here, are watches, not bears. And what got me thinking about them (again) was a link posted this morning by @cm.rook who pointed a few of us to the very attractive (and not terribly priced) Yema "Rallygraph" Panda which, in it's most traditional arrangement, looks like the one on the left, but can also be had in the version on the right: The model on the left is a true Panda, while the model on the right is called a reverse Panda. The reason for that distinction is clear--Panda bears, only come in the first arrangement. Now at this point, everyone should be thinking about the most well-know Panda, The Rolex Panda, which is actually a Daytona, and among Rolex Daytonas, the most famous of which is the Paul Newman Daytona, which was famous first, because it was Paul's, and second because it sold at auction for $17.8 million (US Dollars). The story of that auction is well-known so I'll only...
Nov 8, 2019
We know the additional delay sucks, and we’re sorry that you won’t get your blades for another few weeks. Obviously, in manufacturing new products delays come up, and it’s on us to keep you in the loop and do what we can to help minimize impact of these delays. We are working with Millit and our warehouse to get the blades shipped to us and prioritized at our warehouse to get sent out as soon as they arrive. We have also added a $10 coupon to your accounts, which will be automatically applied to the next drop you join. If you don’t want to wait the additional time for this item, you can cancel your order via the transactions page: https://www.massdrop.com/transactions. As soon as we have a more firm ship date, we’ll be back with another update. (Next update on or before 8/16) Again, we’re sorry for the delay and appreciate your patience. We look forward to you receiving your knife soon. Thanks, Jaleesa and the Massdrop Team
Do me one favor though, would you please: you say next update by 8/16 at latest; make it by 8/16 at latest. Bad news is bad news, but bad news is worse news delivered tardily.
One question though, I know people we're concerned with the chosen Rc hardness Millit was going to shoot for. Does anyone know if that was kept or if they adjusted it due to the community's concerns?
But my practical reason for being annoyed we didn't get the mid-July update an MD employee said we would, is that this time of year I try to spend as little time in the city--that is, the location to which my mail is sent--as possible. I have to come back to the city from time to time, but exactly when is mostly up to me, so I prefer to kill two birds, &c by being in town when also expecting important mail. And the earlier know the better I can plan, and the better my planning the more time my chubby little pit bull and get to spend away from humans and traffic and smog (though with so many fires this year the mountain air might actually be worse than the city's; still less traffic, at least). And if I'm infantile about my toys, which I am, I'm a damn psycho about wasting precious summer nights. And yet somehow every year they manage to fly by faster than the year before.
That said, if I'm being honest, i.e. objective, +2 months actually isnt too bad for the first production run on a new knife, designed shortly before production, incorporating somewhat uncommon blade steel and a new type (for designer/manufacturer) of locking mechanism, being manufactured by a company used to smaller batch runs (and who, according to their Instagram, decided to use new laser-engraving machines they bought for the project, and that no one was 100% familiar with ), and with the ultimate QC and distribution of the finished product to customers handled by a separate entity.
Your biggest fault was an overly optimistic original "expected to mail by" date, but I imagine you folks have detailed numbers correlalating customer efficacy and the time to ship relative to price, type of product, customer demographic, etc., and probably a million other variables I cant begin to imagine. So I assume there is pressure to make that estimate as short as possible. And I'm no doubt data also shows far less customers cxl because of delays than skip a drop due to too long a production time. Anyway, get it out before Labor Day and you're doing fine. Two weeks earlier would be even beťter, of course...
Missing the date you promised to provide an update is not understandable — and I’d go so far as to say unacceptable and unprofessional.
I also wanted to share some good news, which is that I just got a chance to handle the first production sample and Millit absolutely nailed it. The blades are sharp and perfectly centered, and the fly open with a flick of the thumb stud or flip of the wrist if you unlock the button, and still manage to have perfect lockup zero lateral blade play - that is a very hard balance to strike, and speaks volumes about what Shane and his team have done to engineer, manufacture, and assemble these. The final version of the pocket clip (slightly thicker than prototypes) is also a great balance of strength and flexibility.
Shane has also been carrying an early production sample and putting through some work in the yard, hosing it off, and putting it back in the pocket - I hear it's holding up well after hard use, which we expected but ya never know until you try so that's encouraging.
Thanks again for your patience, I think you will be very pleased and hope you will agree it's worth the wait.
Regardless of language, I'm glad I'm not the only one who cant understand how "shipping in 2-4 weeks" from the 3 August becomes "the end of September" (hopefully, maybe...unless there's another delay).
Maybe when the update email (thank you for the timeliness of that, btw) says you're "tracking" for a shipment date of "mid-September", 9/7 is included in that generality, but I dont think so or the vagueness of "mid-September" would be replaced with an actual date. The fact that it is not, and we're still dealing with loose terms that have some weasel room to them doesnt bode well. Or maybe you're still expecting to ship by Fri, 9/7 but said "mid-September" just to be cautious, but that would be the very first time an overly cautious estimate has been given, so I doubt that too. What I think is that the "2-4 weeks" statement made on 8/3 is going to end of being still more bullshit. I'd love to be wrong, so if I am please say so.
Two reasons this additional delay (assuming you don't tell me I'm wrong) provokes me to annoyance: firstly, Millit isnt behaving like a company much concerned with the delays. I dont know, of course, what the Massdrop/Millit contract looks like, but if I had negotiated it there would be painful financial penalties for delays caused by Millit not completing the work when the materials were on-hand. Some delays like the steel issue cant be helped, but the fact they decided to buy a new laser toy and learn on the job--this job--tells me that they weren't very concerned about inconveniencing Massdrop customers. Better to piss us off than Sege Panchenko, right? And THAT tells me the business arrangement has weak protection for MD customers.
Secondly--and I've said this before--MD surely has all manner of charts and graphs detailing the effects of the lag time between purchase and shipping of goods. Obviously, longer waits = lower customer interest and fewer purchases, but I would guess it's not a straight linear relationship; it's likely logarithmic or even exponential after a certain threshold. In other words, purchases fall precipitously for even just an extra week or two wait. That means MD has incentive to provide the rosiest, most optimistic shipping date theybcan possibly justify when someone joins a drop, because I'm sure theyve also found that people will tolerate delays better than a long initial estimate. And I'd bet customer tolerance goes up the longer theyve waited (that behavior is actually a logical fallacy universally committed by humans, whose name escapes me at the moment). So again, the upshot is pressure to provide estimated shipping dates just this side of demonstrably bogus; perhaps even pressure to take orders for products that cant be confirmed are actually going to be made. The important thing is to get people signed on, because once they are they will put up with much, much more. And indeed, this has been my experience with new MD-made products.
And with those two issues in mind, and the total, utter silence and continued lack of any estimate for when I might expect the Spyderco sprint runs to ship, following the admission of a huge delay on that project, here's where I find myself: I'm going to accept with good humor that last week's estimate was more of the string-them-along-with-optimistic-bullshit routine. I'm going to look forward to my three-months delayed knife. If it arrives as and when NOW predicted--wonderful. If it does not, I'm cxling this drop, my Spyderco drop, my Gavko Thresher drop, and skipping the Ochs-designed drop. I'll probably still buy things from MD periodically, but only if they have the little "in-stock / ships in 2-3 days message". Because all those assurances "any day now", "ALMOST ready", "just one last thing" etc. sound like a deadbeat roommate behind on rent, and I have no interest in dealing with that. If the inherent pressure to misrepresent delivery times is so strong then there's no product or deal on earth good enough to induce me to put up with that.
You're correct that there are many knife retailers with merchandise ready to ship, and I'm fortunate enough to actually live an easy walk from one and an easy drive from another, so in most cases I dont even have to wait for a piece to be shipped to me. But what neither of those retailers have are original knife designs from well-known custom designers/makers, created with feedback from the consumer. That's a damn cool idea, the first and only one of it's kind that I'm aware of, and I'd happily wait twice as long for such a product...if the company is as honest as they can be about the time from the beginning.
This brings us to the core of the issue. Whether it's a week or a month or a year, I do not condone Massdrop providing an expected ship date for a product that they know is almost certainly not going to be met. I understand that delays occur, and many, perhaps even most, can be neither foreseen nor prevented, which is why when the first announcement of a delay was made, my reaction was "it happens, no problem". I wasnt really bothered by it until there had been multiple announcements, and I wondered why--esp so close to the end--they didn't simply give a longer estimate, which would provide some breathing room, and then if we were surprised by an earlier shipment than predicted, it would generate good will instead of the I'll that repeatedly bumping the date back a couple weeks would do?
And that's when I realized there MD preferred to miss a predicted shipment date than to predict a longer one and come in early; I also realized that was certainly because customers would be much less likely to cxl the closer they were, or perceived they were, to receiving the product they'd been waiting on for months; also, they'd be more likely to be signed up in the first place is the initially predicted shipment date was comparatively sooner.
The upshot being that the delays on newly made products I have experienced were quite possibly anticipated, and could have been avoided to some extent with a more honest ship date. That doesn't mean I'd actually have the products in hand any sooner, just that I would have known from the beginning when they'd actually arrive. Maybe it makes no difference to you when a company is intentionally misleading--thats your prerogative. But when you say I'm taking a pocket knife way too seriously you're incorrect: it's not thr knife I'm taking seriously, it's the ethics of the company. And frankly, whether Im buying a pocket knife, a pencil, or a Patek Phillipe, the ethics matter to me. In my past life, my job was figuring out exactly how far the company--a multi-billion dollar international with a reputation so good it added 30-40% to its valuation--could mislead customers before they jumped ship. I hated it so much, it messed with my head so much, I retired...at age 36.
People have every right to be upset about such badly missed ship dates; it's not an over-reaction to be unhappy with two blown dates and little done to be kept in the loop. Could they have done a better job from the get-go on predicting an accurate date? Probably, but the lack of transparency & communication over delays only fuels the fire. If your amazon prime shipment was 2.5-3 months late you probably wouldn't be quick to 'just chill'.
By now Massdrop most certainly has detailed statistics on participation in a drop with respect to, among other things, expected ship date. They probably also have statistics on how many orders are canceled due to shipping delays, and the consensus (at least that I've seen on this thread) is the amount of people who will opt out of a drop due to delays is far less than amount of people who skip out on a drop due to an extended ship date. So there is a motive to give a ship date that is impossible to meet, because while they'll lose people when it isn't met, there still a net gain in participation.
Now just because there is a motive doesn't mean that is in actual fact what happened here. But discussing whether this a possibility I think is important. If they are willing to lie about one thing, isn't it feasible that they could make other claims and backtrack? "Blade will be in RWL 34!" then "The original estimate we got from the steel manufacture was unfortunately much lower than the actual cost. As such we will have to downgrade the steel to CPM 154CM, which is still a great, comparable steel! We apologize, and will apply a credit to your account, and open up cancellations to those who would rather have a refund".
It could also be on the manufacture's side as well. Massdrop could have came to them with an offer to give them this huge order, but they needed to meet a certain date. They could have agreed knowing that Massdrop really wouldn't have much of a choice but to stick with it even after a far blown ship date, and perhaps the agreed upon penalties for missing this would be far offset by the size of the order.
TL;DR Massdrop stands to benefit from overly optimistic initial ship dates, the guy is understandably concerned about this. I'm not saying any of this is true, again just because there is a motive doesn't automatically make them guilty. I think it's entirely possible that the manufacturer isn't used to such large orders, as I don't see comments about missed dates in drops where a much larger OEM (WE Knives) is involved. But when a ship date is this far overblown I feel like it is worth discussion, and adding unhelpful comments in the vain of "You're being an entitled idiot for caring about this" while not even bothering to take a minute out of your day to read why they care isn't helping the discussion.
There. I've joined the theorists. I think mine is far more plausible than heinous plots and intentional deception. But I'm a glass-half-full guy...
There's certainly no harm is suspecting willful foul play, but don't do so without applying equal weight to the fact that human beings screw up at an alarming rate. One guess is as good as another.
I look forward when we all get our knives and can stop talking about not getting our knives.
Wrong again. As people who've paid for something with the promise of a ship date that's been broken twice now, we have every right to know what the actual problem was to avoid paying them (whomever really bungled this up) in the future. "human beings screw up at an alarming rate" doesn't fly when you're 3 months late on rent, car payments, or any other situation where money's changing hands.
As far as people “notching back their sense of entitlement”, your opinion is duly noted, but if everyone just calmly sat back and said nothing evertime there were delays on a product being delivered, I would be concerned about what message that would send to a company, and how they might exploit that. It was said before; people can just cancel their orders and take their money elsewhere. But it’s customer feedback that is the lifeblood of a business moving forward. And It’s up to each individual customer how that feedback is delivered.
You have no right. You have a right to take your business elsewhere or accept the delay, with or without knowledge to the cause. Vote with your wallet. That's as far as your rights extend in the business dealings of other parties. It sure would be nice to know what's going on, but this doesn't fall under the Life, Liberty and Pursuit of Happiness vein.
It's obvious at this point we're going to have to agree to disagree so I wish you the best with your knives.
We'll have to agree to disagree and further debate looks ugly in the thread, so I wish you the best with your knives.
What OEM is going to want to do these collaborations again when it appears that in the event of a manufacturering hang up you're going to have your name dragged through the mud? None of the ones with a reputation to uphold for sure. That leaves either some OEM you've never heard of, or something like Ganzo where we'll get full steel handle scales, 8Cr13MoV, and subpar fit and finish.
I'm not asking for a head on a spike, I'd like to know why this was *so* poorly mishandled before continuing to purchase from Massdrop and their partners. They've done little outside of the '$10 on a future drop '(which has become standard for first runs of almost every other knife collab on here anyways) meaning you have to trust this to be worked out and spend MORE money as compensation. That doesn't really inspire confidence in the company.
To their credit, MD has backed away from at least one potential manufacturer because of some cloudy product authenticity issues. I think they're committed to supporting legit designs and manufacturers.
And really, when was this? Did they go through with the design with another manufacturer or was it scrapped?
I hope that when the day comes for me to retire that I just die a few months after in my old age instead of whining and humblebragging on the internet.
This knife went from an idea Schwarz had to a real, tangible item that'll hopefully last a long while. I know the knife is coming and I'm annoyed it's taken longer than expected but shit happens. I still have to work and 99% of the other people here have to as well.
I have no access to my previous orders or any capacity to collect on the $10 credit that was given to people for their purchase. To get shipping updates I have to message their customer service.
My account was deleted for asking simple questions regarding Massdrop's suppliers, delivery practices, and customer service. My main complaint being massdrop is a 'community driven' group buy site, however their commitment to their community is terrible. Any complaint is met with 'you can refund your order, we are sorry' and there is no alternative. They do not carry stock as any other retailer, but on a majority of their drops, the price savings are minimal.
You cannot amend a drop after it has closed, even if you contact their customer service immediately after drop close. There is no notification a drop you are signed up for is about to close and the only resolution to a complaint is refund. If you are sent the wrong product, you cannot get a correction, you will only be refunded. [Moderated]
Massdrop is a great organization, if you keep your fucking mouth shut and buy their shit... these product message boards are only for hype and improvement suggestions.
Jaleesa has reached out already. Think she’s got this well handled.
I'd love for you to feel heard, but at this point I don't know if that's possible.
Love you too.
1) Does massdrop provide fair wages to their foreign suppliers? (as a community driven business I'd expect no less) 2) Does massdrop ship incorrect product when suppliers provide short stock? (how often are you not fulfilling your commitments to your customer) 3) How does massdrop ensure they are not selling weapons, lockpicks, and prohibited devices to children?
Duncan, You deleted my profile and I am owed a $10 credit for this massive shipping delay... any idea on how I can collect? I know that all my 'harassment' has caused quite a stir in your massive organization, hopefully not so much to cause a rift between your actions and your commitments. Ban him!
Your $10 credit was for your next purchase on Massdrop. That doesn't translate to us giving you $10, that's for your a discount on your next transaction. You'll also recall your explicit request to our customer support team to cancel every outstanding order you had. Doesn't make much sense to give you that credit anymore unless you're planning on making a purchase which if you're going to do that for the sake of harassing our team then well we get right back to the harassment don't we.
4) I understand it is a credit towards my next purchase, thats why I keep calling it a 10 dollar credit. I would like it, doesn't matter if I intend to use it, your organization provided the option to people who have participated in the drop. If you are removing my capacity to do business with your organization, that is another story.
Either way, I have no recourse, all I can do is continue to encourage users to contact Steve and sign you guys up for as much spam mail as I can.
And duncan, I have your personal cell number... Realize, I am not harassing you or your organization.
To give you $10 credit at this point would be to ensure you'd be on good behavior. Asking the community to spam us doesn't necessarily reflect that.
1) So I take your word you do not have a chinese kid working for 2 dollars a day stamping steel blanks?
2) Show me numbers on your delivery information. This information should be supplied with drops. We should know how good the supplier is on delivering on the product. We should be able to look at what your supplier sent you and how many orders were fulfilled. People who are short should be given an option and not sent extra stock of the incorrect variant. You as the vendor have a greater commitment to the customer if you are going to be a 40 million dollar organization riding the community driven model.
3) thumbs up to not caring about selling knives to kids
4) You should honor your commitment to your customer and not manipulate your way out of the circumstances because you overreacted and deleted an account rather than having a civil discussion.
I'm still here for any questions or concerns you have that I can answer.
2) You should be allowed to do that, it is not harmful information and people would appreciate to know your supplier performance and your commitment to your customer's satisfaction as a vendor. Right now we have no idea if you are incorrectly filling orders then refunding when people complain.... if they complain.
3) Yeah, I thought it was odd that you supported the internet's poor practice of selling anything to anybody, including children.
4) Your terms of service are so vague you could consider any dissent to be a violation. If you don't want the language on your site, create a filter that stops it. Rather, you are fostering the environment in which you use discretion to enforce ambiguous terms.
Give me the 10 dollar credit on my old account, as is your commitment to my purchase of your product. If you are removing my account, permanently, please let me know. Otherwise, I will continue to speak as I have in the past, because sharing public information and asking simple questions should not be suppressed and is not harassment.
Please let me know how I am demanding instant gratification.
Your account was deleted permanently, but our toolset doesn't stop you from creating more accounts as you have in this discussion. And instead of constantly deleting them whack-a-mole style, I'd much rather hear you out.
Asking questions simple or not is always, always allowed. I'm doing my best to do that for you now. Doesn't mean I can get you the answers you want, and that's certainly not what we're interested in suppressing.
I'm still here if you need.
2) This is information I am requesting you provide on your drops as well. You should be held accountable for your shipments and from my personal experience I had more delivery issues than success with my orders. Consequently, I ask your organization does more to hold itself accountable for delivery. I have no recourse. For example, Apple designed obsolescence into their product and the consumers in the class action suit got $10 after the whole thing was said and done. Even if I were to prove standing regarding your poor delivery practices, I have no resource to follow through. The system is predatory and you are taking advantage of a target audience who doesn't ask questions. I feel you owe more to them and should display your delivery performance. I understand you will tell me no, but this is not my responsibility to resolve. Again, I raise the issue, you fix the problem, or just ban me if you cannot handle the cupcake dissent.
3) You don't support it but you enable it.
4) So you agree the terms are vague and if you consider things on a case by case I appreciate that your consideration to my account was to delete it. We've been over this but you need to realize that your whak-a-mole approach only creates moles... How are you going to give me the 10 dollar credit for future purchases that you owe me for the massive inconvenience you have caused by not fulfilling your delivery commitment?
Still here if you need.
2) the same applies as 1... dude... I do not want the information for my personal gain. I think massdrop doesn't do well and could do better. Please refer to 1
3) Then we can put it to rest.
4) where is my credit for your poor service? I am amazed your organization had to waste any time discussing my posts. If your website had the capacity to squelch or block prohibited terms, the problem would never have arose. If you are going to hang your hat on personal responsibility and insist people writing on the message board act to your own admittedly vague terms then own up yourself, provide the information on your drops, and give me my $10 credit.
I will always be here. And to the people who see my perspective as complaining... sorry we don't agree.
Thanks for your service, but you are reading too much into shit. And it is surprising you'd spend 21 years in the service dealing with children to come online to argue. Get some bud!!! Get SOME!!!
It's clear to me that Massdrop did themselves, the community, and, most of all, YOU a favor by deleting your account. They owe you a pocket knife or a refund. Nothing more.
Just stop.
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I’ve been moderated! ☹️ ...but that guy really pissed me off! 😎
Are you serious dude? They're a reseller, they don't manufacture, why the hell would they be able to tell you anything about working conditions? You think they personally inspect every plant worldwide for every brand that they sell for?? Hahaha
Likewise, why would they give anyone any information about everyone else's shipments?
When it comes down to it, in simplest terms, they're no different than Amazon. They resell other companies products for a profit, while getting their customers a discount due to volume of sales. And sometimes they hire OEM manufacturers to create a product under their name. Do you expect Amazon to research the business practices of every brand they sell? Do you ask them the provide data on the thousands of shipments they sent to other people every time you order the same item? This is beyond ridiculous 🤣
You feeling alright there buddy? You've gone from repetitively reiterating to flat out repeating yourself. Should we be worried? Is there someone we can call for you, a guardian or a mental health professional?
The people defending massdrop need to stop complaining about my posts and take their own advice. Your whining about my whining isn't going to resolve my complaints.
If that is your train of thought, you have got to be one of the stupidest people alive capable of using a keyboard. Rather, chances are you were baiting me, which is equally as stupid, to bait a troll who is asking basic questions about your organization's trash business practices.
Your administrator Duncan has removed my profile and you come online and engage me with a foot in your mouth comment like "why'd you flag your own post" ... Stay classy.
The last remaining question/issue you have is regarding your credit. Which I'll get to here. I believe I've explained my/our position on divulging our company/vendor information and that we won't be able to meet that request.
In regards to your credit, to issue that to you would mean that you want to continue service with us, meaning buying, at the very least, one more drop. Let me know if I've assumed incorrectly that you don't want to do any business with us anymore, but giving you that credit would mean the opposite.
If you have no use for it, then genuinely let me know. I've sincerely aimed to answer what I can, and to make sure your issues were/are taken care of, and I'm still here. I've literally done everything I can to get you what you need as a customer, and to make sure you were answered as a member of the community. That's not me talking from some script. I assure you, like everyone else at this company, I'm just trying to be human.
We have every opportunity to go our separate ways as well. I won't be deleting your account by any means, but this conversation doesn't need to go on and on like it has. I think that would benefit everyone involved really.
I can assure you that over time, we'll only improve upon all of the issues and areas you've covered in your comments and questions no matter the amount of info I can give you about all of that today.
Lastly, everyone here has seen and heard your comments. You have my e-mail. If you have more, then feel free to use it. Duncan.Campbell@massdrop.com as you have pointed out. Otherwise, this conversation is over.
Thanks, Duncan
I can do this forever as is defined in your terms and website functionality. I am not harassing anybody because I am asking simple questions. If your patrons do not appreciate the questions give them the opportunity to mute the replies... rather you create the circumstances that enable my dissent by posting a little red dot on all the people involved in this thread every time I protest.
Your website is only setup to collect money and spread hype. Please include information on your supplier work conditions and delivery history for every drop. You should provide more to the community than just pretty pictures and a forum of nothing. If anybody has any issue with the delivery and service of massdrop they are encouraged to lookup the company via linked in and contact whoever they feel is necessary. The email system uses the employees firstname.lastname@massdrop.com. There really is no other outlet. Massdrop does not have a telephone service and if you wanted to contact the organization directly their employees must use their personal cell phones - a representation of the abhorrent customer service this 40 million dollar organization provides.
People to consider contacting: Steve El-Hage Jasper Chan Louis Topper Nelson Wu Duncan Campbell Brad Ross
No one is going to offer you anything more. Go ahead, show us ONE reseller that provides the details you're looking for on either their shipping statistics or the workplace conditions of every place they resell items for. (RESELLER being the operatayive word! If you want info about the manufacturing plant, contact the manufacturer, not the retailers! It ain't rocket surgery) No? Can't find one? How about Amazon, or ebay? Surely those big name companies have all this information readily available like you say it should be? No? How about BladeHQ, or SKNW, they're more reasonably sized companies with decent reputations, they deal with all these same manufacturers, maybe they're a better chance of finding what you need (want/feel entitled to) ........no? How surprising 🙄
Is your time really worth so little that the hours you've spent whining don't surpass the value of the one item you're so butt hurt over?
Just walk away if you're so unhappy man. I don't know who you think it is you're helping/saving/protecting with your repetative "informational" posts, but we're all big boys and girls here, we can look after ourselves, your "services" are no longer required
Then we can start talking about knives again.
By now you've repeated that same long spiel about MD's contact info at last half a dozen times. If I were moderating this board, I would be starting to delete your comments at this point. Not even for the sake of censorship, but purely for the purpose of keeping threads clear of "spam" messaging. No forums allow that to go on unchecked the way you're doing. They're being way more fair and patient with you than you deserve.
That's all, have a nice day
"If a little stir raises a big stink, you are on the right path" - some guy who changed history
"... you are just as starved for attention as I am! "
" Your whining about my whining isn't going to resolve my complaints."
You're being a SOB while hiding behind some faux justice warrior BS, pretending like you're doing good. Your head is so far up your a** it's astounding. Side note, if you're gonna be this confrontational, maybe delete your original account. But I guess the fact that you haven't is pretty consistent with your behaviour so far.
I am asking for delivery performance and for information on their suppliers work conditions. Sorry it is too much for you to handle, @Docp91B .
Until our recent interaction I’ve somehow remained mostly unaware of you and your situation as it involves this site and more specifically your back and forth with Duncan. Since you are clearly upset, I have asked for the background story and have since perused the verbal transactions taking place between you, and both Duncan and the community at large.
I agree with your previous comment that, for the most part your recent individual comments don’t reflect any egregious violation of our rules for the usage of the Discussion system on their own.
However, it is clear that Duncan has afforded every effort to give you the information requested in as comprehensive and respectful a manner as possible, and your persistence in “asking simple questions” exists solely to disrupt the conversation at hand.
As mentioned we are working on a “block” feature as quickly as possible in order to give everyone the ability to simply ignore other users at their own discretion, but since that is not an option right now I will step in to moderate the conversation.
I am politely asking one last time that you adhere to the spirit of the Discussion system which exists to share and interact with others as it directly pertains to the drop.
I apologize if you feel that the information previously provided is unsatisfactory, but the Discussion system does not exist to resolve issues regarding site wide policy or otherwise complex off topic issues. If you would like to discuss any of that further you are very well aware of how to contact us.
Going forward, I will remove any additional posts that reiterate the same basic points that you have already made, posts with no relevancy to the conversation, or posts that exist solely to antagonize other users of the site. These have been reported by multiple users and do not serve to further the discussion in any constructive way.
To everyone else, the same is true for any replies that are in the same spirit of off topic argument.
Thanks, Alex
edit: While writing this you seem to have made several accounts. While nothing stops you from doing it and I don't typically bother with attempting to remove them, it is against our guidelines so if I find them I will remove them.
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Now for something that actually troubles me. Massdrop, I have spent MINUTES of my life reading what old crybaby has to say that I will never regain. I feel that I am now entitled to serial #0666. If that cannot be done, then I have no choice but to continue living a life where I have nothing else to fret over.
(but fr, c'mon #0666 😈)
@AlexPkThanks for stepping up with some manual "spam monitoring" as well as looking at future proofing these issues. The things you mentioned sound like steps in the right direction. If I may add just one last opinion, i actually don't fully agree with the way deleted users are currently handled. By leaving comments and reviews in place, but removing the user name that was associated, it makes it harder for other users to know what's worth considering.
Say, for example, a user who had knowledgeable and relevant reviews, who did one egregious thing that got him banned, I'd rather still see the name and know I could trust the review. Versus someone who is always negative and snarky and has some vendetta, who writes a scathing review that sounds legit, but in reality it was payback for some perceived slight.
The way it is now everyone who has ever been banned becomes [deleted user] and following conversations/reviews becomes difficult sometimes. Most forums I know leave the name and append it with a tag to indicate they're banned and it seems to work well.
Just my 2 cents. Keep up the good work, and I'll be looking forward to hearing more about this knife once it gets in people's hands 👍
And to to answer your first question, the answer is allll over the place. Massdrop is unique, but it’s not an island for this hobby.
Ah, good ol' 90s. The last gasp of the old world, where some info was still arcane, and one demonstrated one's social status and clique orthodoxy by ones knowledge of that arcana. The time before the sum total of human knowledge was carried around in everyone's pocket or purse, and when there was still a socially recognized and acceptable state of being "out" or "away" or "unavailable", and therefore unable to communicate on a phone until an indeterminate future time. I'm no (complete) luddite, and we can debate if it was actually useful to have had info that was secret and privileged; but I do miss being able to say, "I didn't answer your call because I was OUT last night"; or, "sorry boss, you'll have to fill me in on all the problems the project ran into last week because I've been AWAY on vacation."
Note this is most likely shipped to Massdrop, which would probably be shipped to us buyers from there.