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Cyphre
2708
Mar 20, 2018
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HitMan009Pale Blue is same spring weight, but thinner (basic) wire. Most I've heard prefer Navy, but I do enjoy the Pale Blues.
TanvirK175
1101
Mar 20, 2018
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HitMan009Despite being the same spring weight, Navy feels heavier than pale blue (due to the additional force needed to get through the thicker click bar). The sound of the Navy switch is also a lot crisper and deeper and is super satisfying. Some people have complained that they're too tactile (if such a thing exists) and they actually prefer pale blues.
Hari_Seldon
104
Mar 20, 2018
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HitMan009there's a huge difference in the force profile, check it out here:
https://plot.ly/~haata/408/
It's entirely personal preference of course, I for one find the pale blue (which I'm using to type this) better than the navy blue, as the bump is just a touch too strong to push through on the navies so i end up bottoming out way too hard (you can see this in the force graph, the bottom-out force is the same as the tactility force, you really need the bottom-out force to be greater to decelerate then bounce the fingers back up). I'm going to be modding my box navy with hako true springs to see if the stronger spring mitigates this effect, which hopefully it will (95g bottom-out force as opposed to 65g, hopefully a steep enough slope), and then it will be a matter of fatigue - can I type long hours with that (probably not). The pale blues have a great combination of crisp light tactility and medium force so I can completely relax my wrists and forearms (I float) and just dance on the keys with supple hands. It's really something, I can actually feel the muscle usage move from my wrists to my shoulders/back. I've ordered 18 different switches from novelkeys and tested them on my GMMK hotswap, and the pale blue win by fairly large margin. All that being said my endgame switch would be a box switch with nonlinear 58g spring and 0.27mm clickbar (inbetween pale blue and navy), because I would like a touch less spring at the start of the stroke, a touch more spring at the bottom of the stroke to bounce the fingers up, and tactility right inbetween the navy and pale blue. Of course, it's all very personal. ;)
https://plot.ly/~haata/408/
It's entirely personal preference of course, I for one find the pale blue (which I'm using to type this) better than the navy blue, as the bump is just a touch too strong to push through on the navies so i end up bottoming out way too hard (you can see this in the force graph, the bottom-out force is the same as the tactility force, you really need the bottom-out force to be greater to decelerate then bounce the fingers back up). I'm going to be modding my box navy with hako true springs to see if the stronger spring mitigates this effect, which hopefully it will (95g bottom-out force as opposed to 65g, hopefully a steep enough slope), and then it will be a matter of fatigue - can I type long hours with that (probably not). The pale blues have a great combination of crisp light tactility and medium force so I can completely relax my wrists and forearms (I float) and just dance on the keys with supple hands. It's really something, I can actually feel the muscle usage move from my wrists to my shoulders/back. I've ordered 18 different switches from novelkeys and tested them on my GMMK hotswap, and the pale blue win by fairly large margin. All that being said my endgame switch would be a box switch with nonlinear 58g spring and 0.27mm clickbar (inbetween pale blue and navy), because I would like a touch less spring at the start of the stroke, a touch more spring at the bottom of the stroke to bounce the fingers up, and tactility right inbetween the navy and pale blue. Of course, it's all very personal. ;)
HitMan009
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Mar 20, 2018
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Hari_Seldoni saw the video on youtube where the guy compares the navy with the pale blues. He was saying there is occasions where the key doesn't spring back up because of the click bar on the pale blues. Have you noticed this occur on your pale blues?
TanvirK175
1101
Mar 20, 2018
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HitMan009Never heard of or had that issue with Pale Blues or Navys. That issue does sometimes occur with Jades.
Hari_Seldon
104
Mar 20, 2018
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HitMan009Must be a mistake, the clickbar on the Navy is way stronger than the clickbar on the Pale Blue - so it would be happening with the Navy not the Pale Blue. And no it never even comes close to happening with the Navy, but it *does* happen with the Jade (not in this drop), because the Jade have the thick clickbar but only have the Box White 50g spring. You can see this in Haata's force graph for the Jade, the force curve on the way up reaches zero briefly.
TanvirK175
1101
Mar 20, 2018
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Hari_SeldonA major part of it also seems to be the stabs used being super tight. There were reviews of people on /r/mk that say the spring is not the issue (despite it reaching 0 on the curve at one point) but that the spring cannot push all the way back up with tighter stabs, something a little lubing can fix. The issue seems to primarily be with the spacebar, although it can happen to any stabilized key. Never heard of it happening on non-stabilized keys.
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