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NovelKeys x Kailh BOX Heavy Switches (70 or 110pcs)

NovelKeys x Kailh BOX Heavy Switches (70 or 110pcs)

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This current round (I think 3?) has been completed and shipped out! These all have updated stems.
mgsickler
Received it today and I wondered why it's more loose than old boxes. I didn't expect it to use the updated stems. Thank you for shipping with the updated stems.
Kailh Box Switches are reported to crack keycap's stems. In particular GMK's. Does anyone know if Kailh is aware of this and going to fix this batch?
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How about the batch delivered in May? Are those effected?
jchairerg
The culprit of the issue is the injection mold. Coming from the same mold, any Kailh box switch may present the problem. However, It should be a multicavity mold. Each cavity may be less or more affected by the oversized cross. Therefore is understandable that a particular switch could be less or more oversized, depending the cavity its stem comes from.
Just got my BOX Heavy Burnt Oranges and can't wait until October when I can put them on the Kira.
So I got in on this drop thinking the BOX Heavy Burnt Orange switches were actually Speed Coppers with a heavier spring. Is this not the case? Im not opposed to trying them out but the description says its just a heavier brown... Wouldn't the stems be brown if that were the case? Seems necessarily complicated to make a special run of the brown stems in a different color just to make it more confusing haha
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Skoobs
Heavy Speed Coppers were part of the drop located here https://www.massdrop.com/buy/62094 , called Speed Heavy Burnt Orange
Is the only difference between the box navy and the sage the box? The box is better for dirt and grime so therefore better for messy environments while the sage is better for clean environments. Also so the boxes are better for floating key designs while the sages are better for bezled keyboards because dirt. Are the boxes better for keycap wobble as well?
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Brinks246
I have Hako Trues on my GMMK in a few areas. They're box switches and the stability is really nice. It took some getting used to the 70g on these but after about a day or so, I started to like them. I wouldn't say these particular ones are as close to Topre as advertised, but they're solid and you can really tell when you're actuating.
psiclone
I want some box switches but I have to save money right now and I’m going to college next year so yeah...
As someone coming from MX Blues to the heavy BOX Burnt Orange (hypothetically), would I see an increase in fatigue due to heavier weight? Also, would I expect a drop in gaming or typing speed and/or accuracy? I know that goes against conventionally advertised wisdom to use BOX Burnt Orange as a hybrid gaming/wordsmithing switch, but then again the same logic applies to Blues.
Also, evem though the switch is waterproof-ish, how would one protect the PCB from splashes and spills (especially with surface mount components)?
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Little did I know how deep this rabbit hole goes. I did end up jumping in for a set of Burnt Orange switches. They don't let usbring our own kb's to work, and the one I do have is a membrane but one with very heavy clicks for some reason. So, even though the login card reader is broken, I've kept it since I like the way it feels. Hopefully, that carries over to an enjoyment of these slightly heavier switches.
annasoh323
They obviously can't do as much about your keyboard, aside from putting some kind of grommet around the switch housing, but this would at least supposedly protect your investment in the switches. At least you wouldn't be having to swap out the keyboard AND switches.
How does the orange compare to other tactile switches? Like zealios for instance. I really love the sounds of these switches thou.
Can someone remind me , operating force is average, actuation, or bottom out?
Can anyone compare these to MX Clears? I’m trying to find something with a bigger bump but I’m terrible at interpreting force graphs.
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Thanks for the advice! Do you have any other suggestions? I was thinking maybe the Hako (or was it Haro?) Clear Trues
I have mx a pretty new mx clear board and it is smoother than a my pok3r with nature whites
BOX BURNT ORANGES!!!
I already got them the moment I saw them on novelkeys, but damn. Waiting for a looong time.
**IMPORTANT**: Are these the re-tooled burnt orange or are they old stock??
Hari_Seldon
These are the newest versions.
mgsickler
has anything changed with the yellow or pale blue?
I am sorry but can someone tell me the advantage of buying it here ? Am I missing something ? It is almost exactly the same price on aliexpress which has a few more quantity option and arrives faster.
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Why sketchy..? I mean I have bought from aliexpress about 4 times.. they were late but I wasn’t in a hurry... still faster than mass drop most of the time.. and anytime ur not happy with something, I be heard they are more responsive than mass drop.. not trying to dump MD.. just curious..!!
Seems to be literally more expensive, with estimated shipping of 19-39 days. Maybe for other international folks its a good deal somehow?
Anyone know how smooth burnt orange are? Especially compared to MX Clears?
how do these compare to the navy blue box switches?
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Must be a mistake, the clickbar on the Navy is way stronger than the clickbar on the Pale Blue - so it would be happening with the Navy not the Pale Blue. And no it never even comes close to happening with the Navy, but it *does* happen with the Jade (not in this drop), because the Jade have the thick clickbar but only have the Box White 50g spring. You can see this in Haata's force graph for the Jade, the force curve on the way up reaches zero briefly.
Hari_Seldon
A major part of it also seems to be the stabs used being super tight. There were reviews of people on /r/mk that say the spring is not the issue (despite it reaching 0 on the curve at one point) but that the spring cannot push all the way back up with tighter stabs, something a little lubing can fix. The issue seems to primarily be with the spacebar, although it can happen to any stabilized key. Never heard of it happening on non-stabilized keys.
praise lord reekrus theres box burnt oranges
areid
bless up
Ok. I've been out of the game for a bit. I've discovered that I really like 62g Zeals, and Gateron/Cherry browns feel a bit too light. Would the Burnt Orange be similar to 62g Zeals? I'm terrible at interpreting the force graphs. Or should I wait for the upcoming box royals?
djfrantz
I am curious of the same, since this will be the first time I see Burnt Orange for sale after Kaihua fixed their tooling. Although in terms of weight, I'd say BOX heavy switches are heavier than the 62g Zealios. Not entirely sure what they compare against directly, as I can't see HaaTa's graphs at the moment (not loading on my work PC).
Do LEDs fit on these?
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You're welcome!
mjin955
I just finished all three of my hot swap builds using the Kailh Box switches and SMD LEDs. Here are some pics with both Dyesubbed and Double Shot PBT backlit keycaps.
first gen 2016 GMMK full size red led board with red gradient PBT Double shot backlit caps
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GK64 with Box Navies and PBT Dyesubbed keycaps and a Captain America backlit novelty cap
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GMMK TKL with Box Browns and iKBC PBT Double shot backlit cap
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Both Kbdfans and PCGamingRace have great close up pics of the type of lights they use. That may help you verify and choose.
Installed the Pale Blues in my K-Type (with genuine Cherry stabilizers, otherwise stock) yesterday and I'm in love. This is a spectacular switch, and my wife (who is a Cherry Blue/Razer Green user) is jealous. Completely agree with the below comments by @Applehugger and @etatauri in comparison to Cherry's Blues and the click-bar design, it's phenomenal. I also greatly prefer this weight and distance of travel to those of the Speed switches I initially ordered in the K-Type.
Out of the entire board, I bent one of the switch contacts going in, which wasn't an issue as I had to get extra to populate the K-Type. I think it can be bent back and used in future if needed, though, and it's my fault.
Honestly thought I'd have to go through several additional switch types before I found my happy switch, but the Pale Blues hit it out of the park.
JDWarner
I bent like 3 during installation but bending it back worked fine.
I installed my Pale Blues on my DasKeyboard yesterday. What a fantastic switch, especially for the price! They're extremely smooth, almost on the same level as ALPS SKCC switches, and the weighting is absolutely perfect. Of course, the sound is way, way nicer than the horrible rattly plasticy noise that MX Blues make, and although these Pale Blues aren't really much more tactile than standard MX Blues, the tactility is extremely clean and precise: a massive improvement over Cherry's click jacket design. The lack of keycap wobble is really nice too; the keys feel very solid with these switches installed. I think Kailh's click-bar switches are about as good as a clicky MX mount switch can get given the limitations of the MX design. ALPS tactile and clicky switches are still way more tactile, but these Pale Blues finally give me a clicky switch option for my Cherry MX compatible keyboards that isn't completely awful. In fact, I really enjoy typing on these things!
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Thanks for sharing this. Are they high pitched like Cherry blues or do they have a deeper click like Alps blues? It's a little hard to tell from the video.
Macclack
Actually, they’re even higher pitched than Cherry Blues. I only have experience with White ALPS, but these sound nothing like any ALPS switch I’ve tried and the click is totally different from White ALPS. However, I personally think these Box Pale Blues sounds really good; it’s a very crisp and clean click, and they click on both the downstroke and upstroke. For reasons I can’t explain, the sound just makes me smile :-) They aren’t as loud as ALPS click switches either.
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Just came in and first impressions are good! Unlike cherry blues these don't rattle and don't crunch. It clicks satisfyingly and feels solid with no rattle. I don't feel any hysteresis and I gotta say these feel closer to my co-workers unicomp than any other MX style switch Ive owned.
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There is less of it. But the click is sharp and crisp so it's still noticable in a different way. Feels more solid with no rattle or scratchiness. No hystersis that I've noticed either.
Like etatauri said, the Box Pale Blues are less tactile than MX Blues but you won’t notice much of a difference in tactility unless you really pay atttention to it. The tactility is still obvious , not because it’s so tactile but because of the click. Like with any clicky switch, the click is what points out the tactility to you. With noise cancelling headphones, MX blues are about as tactile as MX Browns (not very) but the click makes them seem more tactile than they are.
For those of you wondering, I was told by Kristina from Massdrop support that labels have been created for these orders of Kailh Box Heavy switches and they are on track to meet the 1/12 shipping date. I contacted support for another reason, but they gave me this piece of information in my support request.
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I like your tastes :)
I will have practically the same set-up as you (K-Type /w GMK stabs, dev/tty, Box Pale Blue switches). I did end up preordering the Box Navy switches whenever they come back in stock, and will likely replace the Pale Blues in my K-Type with the Box Navy whenever I get those in.
CarmenOhio
I too have ordered the Pale Blues. I love heavier switches like the MX and Halo Clears and their tactility. I like the idea of clicky switches but never liked MX Blues all that much so I'm pretty excited about this one.
So I'm new to this whole Box Switches thing. Did a brief readup, but still have two questions: - Does this work with the K-Type? - The description of the clicky Box White switches is that they are linear clicky switches in feel. Given that the Box Heavy Pale Blue are similar, how do they compare to a standard MX Blue switch?
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How can they be less tactile than Cherry MX? The tactility in Cherry MX Blue switches is barely there. Am I gonna hate Kailh BOX Heavy Pale Blue switches when I love the tactility of Matias Click, SKCM ALPS White switches?
cavilikon
They are less tactile because they use a clickbar mechanism with a more linear stem.
This drop is really grabbing my attention. I love heavier switches like the Halo Clear and Cherry Clears. And I love the idea of clicky switches but the MX blues are just not for me. The sound isn't bad, but the hysteresis is so bad it almost feels sticky. How do these compare with MX blues? It's pretty hard to judge based on the graph alone.
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How is the tactility compared to the MX switches? And is it as loud?
etatauri
These aren’t as tactile, but are probably slightly louder than blues
My partner got me light blues for Christmas! Super excited to try these on my K-Type, too bad this drop doesn't ship until January...
Considering some pale blue for a Tina A build.
I saw the drop and was so excited.
Then saw tht burnt oranges are still just a dream. Ever since I tried it from the tester set, it's my dream for the planck rev 6 when it comes out.
Kailh, please, just handle the production issues some time soon.
I'm interested in the pale blues for a K-Type, though my understanding is that these as currently offered don't have the light pipe. Would it be best to hold tight?
EDIT: As informed below (and after ordering & installing) I can verify they install and work perfectly in the K-type and with the K-Type's LEDs.
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JDWarner
Judging from the pictures on the k-type drop, the switches have the same design, and these are smd led compatoble. It should work with the k-type if you ask me. Light pipes seem to be just a frosted plastic that diffuses the LED light.
JDWarner
As far as I'm aware these should be fine for the K-Type, that's what I got mine for.
Couldn't resist the Pale Blue's here.
Ordered two 110 sets simply because I want to install them into a couple of Keyboards and remove the old worn out Cherry Filth.
20€ shipping, lol no thanks.
afalkhammar
I'm in Europe and a 20$ shipping is sometimes an acceptable shipping price. Sometimes shipping to my country is between 50$-100$. Altough for this drop its 10 € so It's more than affordable for me to order through Massdrop. Low shipping rates to my country is why I love using Massdrop.
Is any Cherry MX keyboard kit compatible with Kailh BOX Heavy switches?
cavilikon
Any of them should be fine. It's the same switch housing, only the stem is different. These won't work with top mounted LEDs though.