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NovelKeys x Kailh Speed Heavy Switches

NovelKeys x Kailh Speed Heavy Switches

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I notice these don't have the plastic stabilization stems like I see on my other cherry mx compatible switches. I still have an ergodox infinity keyboard to put together, could I use these switches on a keyboard that requires soldering? Or are these just meant for the swappable switch keyboards?
yorgasor
I believe you're talking about plate mounting vs PCB mounting. Sounds like you have a set of PCB mount switches, these are plate mount switches (https://support.wasdkeyboards.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009270628-Plate-Mounted-vs-PCB-Mounted-Switches). If the Ergodox requires switches of the PCB mounting variety, then these will not work. It isn't specific to swappable switch keyboards though, I don't think, I'm pretty sure it's just the mounting type.
I was comparing the spec sheets of the box heavies and speed heavies and noticed that the speed heavies have a significantly higher bottom out force. For example, the Box Heavy Dark Yellow has a bottom out force of about 70g, but the Speed Heavy Dark Yellow has a bottom out force of about 100g.
What is the difference between these two switches that would cause them to have different bottom out forces? Are the springs different, or is this just a difference between the standard and box architectures?
fer.real
I believe it is the travel distance in general. The idea with the speed vs box, regardless of heavies, is that to actuate the speeds requires just over 1mm of travel, vs the box heavy which triggers at just shy of 2mm. Since the overall travel for the speed is intended to be not bottomed out as often as the box I think the resistance for bottoming out is higher. Compare the curve of the box heavy orange (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/3099/8088/files/CPG1511F01S07-Burnt_Orange_BOX.pdf?8088525692751228243) and you can see the bump for the speed is immediate, at like 0.1mm but the bump for box is at 0.6. Anyhow, all of this is to say that I think speed switches encourage not bottoming out thus the higher resistance, and heavy encourages allowing you to rest your fingers on the keys without actuating them.
Subtotal = $28.99 Shipping & Handling = $21.50
-> I'm out
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$21.75 to Australia for me. I don't understand how it's so high. I just tried joining a drop for a full size keyboard, and the shipping is $21. Shipping a full size keyboard, switches and all, is cheaper than shipping switches for a 60%...
hittingray
Completely agree. 100 switches is not a heavy package. It seem inconsistent also. For example I bought a keyboard, recently, that would have included 70 switches an aluminium plate, cables, key caps etc. $15.96 to Australia??
Can anyone describe to me the transparency levels for these switches? Will they work for RGB keyboards or do they drown out color?
Snydaddy
I think they will work something like this https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/alt-keyboard/FP/yDG7xatcRkWJCbbsuJyZ_AI7B4141%20copy%20page.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=1300&h=607&dpr=2&q=40 That pic is of the Box White switches, but guessing the housing for these is similar since they support SMD. So if your keyboard supports SMD LEDs, then you should be good and they will show through the housing as shown in the pic.
Snydaddy
Yeah, SMD lighting will be fine with this. You can see the cutout for the diodes on the switch on the left here - https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/novelkeys-x-kaihua-kalih-speed-heavy-switches/361A3118_20171207094212.jpg
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item : 16.5 USD / Shipping 21.5 USD that's a nope for me i guess.
Whats the difference between these and the Novelkeys X Kailh Pro heavy switches?
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How's the burnt orange compared to a MX Brown... in terms of tactility?
blakstealth
I actually haven't ever used any standard browns (Cherry, Gateron, or otherwise) if you can believe it, but to me they definitely feel slightly more tactile than the Gateron Silent Browns I have, though not as quiet obviously.
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  • Shipping & Handling$21.50
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Total (USD)$47.49
about as much for shipping and handling as for the actual product and then I would have to pay an extra $15 for import duties and fees
This is possibly a silly question, but I can't find the answer in the discussion or on the product page. Are these compatible with those plate-mounted Outemu switch keyboards?
Do the speed heavy pale blues have a click bar inside of them? Ie. box Jades, etc?
Savestheday
Yes, they use the clickbar.
mgsickler
Great! Thanks!
How does burnt orange feel comparing to mx clear and zeal 67g etc. ?
arda
Bump is up top compared to a middle of the push bump.
mgsickler
Sweet, thanks!
Hey Mike (mgickler), Hako Clears vs Burnt Orange? Also, heard you're developing another tactile. Would that come before this drop ship date or after... Thanks!
JackoFrost
These are a bit more stiff than Hako Clears. Hako Clears are smoother (because of the BOX style). No ETA on the new switch yet.
Would the burnt orange feel any different from mx clears?
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If you like your clears, I wouldn't bother changing them. The higher activation distance on the coppers (and burnt oranges?) might make them 'crisper' than normal browns, but clears have a better bump and the standard activation distance gives you more time to correct a misspress
Rayndalf
Thanks!
$17 for the switches and $22 for shipping and handling... Too bad
Does anybody know if you can use these in backlit boards with those SMD LEDs? I'm assuming no, but just thought I'd ask.
onecelledwolf
These are compatible with SMD LEDs.
mgsickler
Awesome, thanks!
If anybody's curious, I installed a set of the burnt orange on one of my Planck keyboards. They're some of the nicest heavy switches I think I've ever used. The short travel feels really good and the heavy spring really discourages bottom-out.
I have a build log here: https://imgur.com/a/dPHng
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Xyverz
Thank you very much for sharing your build log.
I've been testing kailh speed switches with my preonic for a temporary build, (they are not heavy switches, silver) only complaint about them is they don't have old cherry-style housings, so I can't use qmx clips. If I have to use kailh speed switches again for my next build, I have to solder sockets before soldering switches, it will be very time-consuming work so I'm not sure I will use them again. But your build log makes me rethink, what an awesome job! Congrats on building your planck successfully.
VinS
Thanks!
How would the dark yellow compare to Cherry MX Reds? Those are the only linear switches I've used extensively and I like them a lot (seems I'm not into actuation after using Cherry MX Browns and Blues a bit). Would these take more force to bottom out?
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If you don't mind, I'll chime in here.
Board: GMMK TKL Switches: Hako True (box style) Keycaps: GMMK shine through
I've had the GMMK TKL for exactly one week today and I can give you my thoughts on it.
Good things: Overall I like this board a lot, and would buy another one for the price. The biggest selling point is the hot swappable switches, I cannot wait for more manufacturers to adopt this feature. I enjoy the aluminum plate and quality look of the board. The included cable is detachable and feels nice. The RGB backlighting can be controlled via function keys on the board or controlled through the downloadable software. The LEDs in this board get pretty bright and have a pretty smooth transition, the white light appears to be a little on the warm side but overall I think its fine. I am very pleased with this board and I'm excited to swap out to new sets of switches often. The plate seems to be a good fit, none of my switches are too loose or too tight. You can get a discount, just google the Glorious Referral Program, You may have to use a throw away email address but it's 15% off your order (I generated a 15% referral code and then used my own code to both get a discount and later use the referral for a 10% kickback).
Some odd things: The lighting effects listed in the included booklet do not match the names of the lighting effects in the software There are two lighting modes called "Matrix 2" and "Matrix 3" but no mode called "Matrix" The capslock light indicator (tiny LED over the arrow keys) is red rather than white On the GMMK website you need to download the firmware/software version that matches the service tag on the underside of your keyboard rather than having one package that detects what version you are running.
Some Bad things: The rubber feet are not amazing on this board in comparison to others that I have used. when the flip out feet are engaged it is just fine. If you do not have the flip out feet engaged the board can scoot around a little (granted I am using heavy switches and I type very heavily). The stabilizers that come with the board are very rattly. Luckily they are plate mounted and easy to replace. If you do not replace them, they are easy to remove and lubricate (if the rattle bothers you). You can flex the plate pretty easily so don't try it.
Hope that helps!
koac113
Thank you for sharing your thoughts on that board @koac113! I really do appreciate it. It's good to hear from someone who has had first hand experience with that keyboard. I'm going to take all these things into consideration regarding my purchasing decision now.
I've noticed that on my Kailh Speed Bronze that keystrokes sometimes get sent before I actually hit the actuation point (meaning the audible 'click'). Will this occur with these switches as well?
Chocy
Yes, however the phenomenon of accidental actuations while resting your fingers on the keys will not happen due to the heavier spring
I highly doubt it but is it going to go lower than 17 bucks US? Or is that the lowest?
Jscap
$16.99 is the lowest for this drop.
ZacharyBinz
Thanks much.
So how would the blue ones compare to the Kailh Speed Bronze switches? Same travel distance? Is the blue a "linear switch with a clickbar"? The force graph looks like it is similar to the Speed Bronze but I am not sure.
I have the Kailh speed bronze and wanted the same thing but with heavier springs. I like the speed bronze because the bump is much less notable than on a Cherry MX Blue.
Chocy
It’s the same switch as the Bronze only with a heavier spring and a different colored stem.
mgsickler
Oh cool - thanks!
Woah shipping to Ontario, Canada is $15?!
What is the difference, in feel and use, between the "speed heavy switches" and the "box heavy switches"? (I am primarily interested in the Burnt Orange Switches). Also, I have Halo Clears and Kailh Copper speed switches (which are both great) that I type on frequently if anyone can make any comparisons.
GBH2
Box switches have a longer travel distance than speeds. Speeds actuate at 1.1mm, where as box actuate at around 2mm
GBH2
In addition to Upsidedownportal, they're super stiff, very little play going on when it comes to keywobble. I build a friend's keyboard using burnt oranges, and oh good god they're super stiff and very enjoyable. I'd say 10/10
Couldn't resist these latest Burnt Orange babies ; )
I've got Pale Blue Box switches coming in next year, so these will be interesting in trying out and making comparisons.
With NovelKeys associated with this drop, I'm reassured that the items ordered will be delivered. They've always been a trusted vendor for me. I'm never again entering a drop for Kaihl switches if they're solely sponsored by Massdrop (see: box switches fiasco here - https://www.massdrop.com/buy/kaihua-box-switches/talk ).
Kallium
It's honestly pathetic!
Force travel diagrams are now in, cheers!
I’m used to cherry browns, how does the weight compare to the burnt oranges? Would it get tiring after a while ?
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Adron
The bump is very VERY pronounced, I've only used them for a short period of time after setting up a friend's board, and I have to say they're super enjoyable, much higher tollerances compared to cherry and the actuation distance honestly makes them nice to have at this weight, any lighter and I think they'd be too light. Your fingers may get tired a bit faster but think of it this way. It's like weight training for your fingers. :P
Adron
why not get 'standard' speed copper switches? I use them on one of my boards, and they feel just a bit heavier. They roughly actuate at the same weight (I did some experiments) as cherry browns. I do not get why one would want heavy speed switches, stronger bump maybe?
22$ shipping to Belgium, for real guys? What are these made of, oak?
$15 to Canada too. Come on.
How do the burnt orange switches feel? Anybody have/had them?
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Thanks for the info!
neuronik
They feel really heavy, substantially heavier than clears. The weight is somewhat alleviated since the bump is right at the top, but they still feel very heavy, especially if you tend to bottom out.
For Aussie customers, don't even think about it, just go away! Really have to reconsider that overly charged shipping cost.
Burnt Orange?! Does this mean.... HBO is coming? Hehe
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