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Sloper
16
Aug 18, 2017
How does this stove compare to the Snow Peak Lite Max or the MSR Pocket Rocket I or II?
Gerryb
3
Aug 18, 2017
SloperI have both stoves and in windy conditions the Amicus is way more efficient.
Sloper
16
Aug 18, 2017
GerrybThanks. That was my next question, " how well does the SOTO perform in the wind?
Gerryb
3
Aug 18, 2017
SloperBecause of the cup design around the base of the flame, the Amicus is really efficient in the wind. I cannot remember the specifics of my real test when I got it last year but as I recall, I think in windy conditions it took about three minutes for the Amicus to boil two cups of water, nearly two minutes faster than the LiteMax.
Sloper
16
Aug 18, 2017
GerrybWow. Considering I have the Giga Power and a BSR T5000 worthless piece of ___, this might be the ticket. Thanks for your help!
dchu101
79
Aug 18, 2017
SloperThis has a recessed lighter, so in theory it has better protection from wind and better efficiency. It claims 90 minutes on a 8 oz canister, whereas the Pocket Rockets claim an hour and the Soto 80 minutes. I picked one up because over time it'll save money on gas canisters.
I don't have a Pocket Rocket, but I have a (surprisingly well-built) Chinese knockoff with roughly the same specs and design. It only has 3 points of contact on the pot support, so I have to be careful when I cook/boil (not that unstable, but have to be careful). Also, the way it folds is pretty unwieldy and bulky. It's not the most efficient (but not the worst) in wind. It'll get the job done, but is a bit of a pain if you want to nest it inside your post with a canister because of the bulk (I end up puting the canister outside when I bring it on a trip).
The Pocket Rocket 2 looks much more compact due to the way it folds. It'll get the job done in a smaller package, but won't be as wind efficient.
The Lite Max looks to have roughly the same design as the Pocket Rocket 2, but without a wind fin on the top. Can't speak to that one.
Stepbystep
549
Aug 18, 2017
SloperIt's a nice stove and I mostly prefer it over the Micro Rocket/Pocket Rocket 2 simply because the burner is a little wider and the cupped design does do better in a breeze. Note that it isn't any more efficient really and the flame can still snuff out. You should always still use a wind screen of some kind if you care about efficiency. Playing/testing my Amicus without a screen I found it would get snuffed out in a gust around the 12-15mph mark, so it does better than the original Pocket Rocket or the two newer generations of rockets (that clip on thingy doesn't really do jack for them). Amicus is a nice unit with only a couple very minor nitpicks. It will safely hold any of the smallest diameter mugs/pots if you use those.
chugger
Aug 19, 2017
SloperI don't have an Amicus (yet) but do have a Windmaster which seems to be pretty similar.
I call my Windmaster, my "Windmaster" because it does well in the wind. I can take it to the local (almost) beachside park where there's always wind and boil my tea, coffee or Knorr when my other burners would be crying out for a windscreen.
I call my Pocket Rocket II my "Simmermaster" because I can turn it down to 10 grams per hour (or less) fuel consumption. I can simmer dry beans two hours, boil them down, then make bannock, using less than one ounce fuel (indoor sheltered conditions).
My Lite Max, I don't know, I haven't used it enough to offer an opinion.
hikin_jim
251
Aug 19, 2017
SloperThe Amicus is in the same general class as the Pocket Rocket or LiteMax, but the Amicus is far more wind resistant than either the PR or LM. The Amicus, because of it's wind resistance will generally get better fuel economy (assuming equivalent valve settings on all stoves compared) because of it's wind resistance, particularly over the LiteMax which can be a real fuel hog in windy conditions.
I did a write up on the PR 2 vs. the Amicus if you're interested: https://adventuresinstoving.blogspot.com/2017/01/the-msr-pocket-rocket-2-vs-soto-amicus.html
HJ
hikin_jim
251
Aug 19, 2017
Stepbystep" it isn't any more efficient really and the flame can still snuff out "
Well, not to take away from your experience, but that hasn't been my experience at all. I was able to turn down the flame on an Amicus to a barely there flicker, and it did not blow out even at Crystal Cove State Park which is down by the beach and is always windy.
With other stoves, not so. My PocketRocket 2 blows out if I turn it down that low and a good gust comes along.
Likewise, with respect to efficiency, I've found the Amicus to be far more fuel frugal in wind. Other stoves, not having much wind resistance, have their heat dispersed by the wind, so they have to use more fuel to compensate and are therefore less efficient.
HJ
Stepbystep
549
Aug 19, 2017
hikin_jimWhen we discuss efficiency maybe we should make distinctions. Base efficiency which I was referring to above would be measured without wind - simple consumption of gas without factors that rob heat. Maybe "real world" efficiency is more important, which would include wind and a half dozen other things. Regardless of a burner's resistance to flame out, if you operate a stove without a screen and there is a gap between flame source and point of contact, you will be losing a lot of heat. Not smart user operation but that is just my two cents on the matter. Partly based on your review and those of others reviewing the Windmaster, I did not expect the Amicus to flame out, but it certainly did a few times in open air testing. I do not operate my stoves that way on the trail, however, so it was just curiosity testing. When used with a wind screen I didn't find it to be any more or less efficient than others.