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Moving on to the locks - I have a teeny tiny bit of experience playing around with a cheap pick set and whatever old locks I would find lying around. With that, I was through all five of these in no time at all and what's even more ridiculous is that I got through locks 1, 2 and 3 with JUST the tension bar alone using it to rake the pins into place and spin the lock in just a few motions. Locks 4 and 5 took a whole five minutes each.
Now the pick set itself. Is someone actually trying to tell me that these are quality tools? Hey listen, I'm a sucker for quality tools. I'm the same dummy who pays $50-$60 each for Snap=On wrenches and whatnot, so yeah, I'm not afraid to spend on what I believe to be quality. These paper thin pieces of punched metal are not quality by any measure.
At the end of the day, I received a useless piece of wood, five crappy and useless locks and a pick set that isn't strong enough to pick my teeth much less any real lock. Thanks for nothing Massdrop. I have been using this site for quite some time and I've spent a fair amount of money here and all the while, I never voiced my feelings about how many of these drops save the buyer a couple of dollars at the expense of having to wait for often times MONTHS to receive the item. I haven't complained about the total lack of structure, in that the drop organizer never really has any information about their particular drop. I would expect the person running the drop to be at least an enthusiast if not an expert and thereby providing some guidance or personal opinion as to why they are pushing their drop as opposed to a competitor's product.
However, with this ridiculous excuse for a high-end product, I am most likely truly done with Massdrop for good, as they have made it perfectly clear that they have no interest in the quality of the products being sold, the amount of money being saved for the customer or the timeliness of the drop fulfillment. So if they don't care then I'm certainly not going to.
Just my personal opinion. Am I turning into a grumpy old cow in my old age or do any of you agree with me on this stuff? I really would like to hear.
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Based on the idea that the best way to learn to pick a lock is by understanding the mechanisms behind it, the SouthOrd ST-23 is a comprehensive introduction to lockpicking, and a great way to start learning the tricks of the trade. this version has been updated with repinnable locks and a new-and-improved stand Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downDonPerreault
215
Apr 30, 2017
I tend to agree with others that not much effort or thought was put into listing this kit. The stand is a joke and I don't think you can find a poorer quality set of picks. Very disappointed and would return if that was an option.
I've had my good and bad purchases with MassDrop and I keep coming back. This was a poor purchase on my part.
STAFF: You must realize the customer depends on you. I used to believe if MassDrop listed a product then they had already done their due dilligence into the product. We as your customers trust this in you. SouthOrd ST-23 Locksmith Kit wasn't very well investigated. Suggestion, don't bring back the SouthOrd ST-23 Locksmith Kit , if you do I'll know you are just about money and don't really care for quality of the goods you sell. I do understand you have to decide between the quality and price to list your products at a reasonable selling price.
STAFF: You must realize the customer depends on you. I used to believe if MassDrop listed a product then they had already done their due dilligence into the product. We as your customers trust this in you. SouthOrd ST-23 Locksmith Kit wasn't very well investigated. Suggestion, don't bring back the SouthOrd ST-23 Locksmith Kit , if you do I'll know you are just about money and don't really care for quality of the goods you sell. I do understand you have to decide between the quality and price to list your products at a reasonable selling price.
Rodeobailey
1
Oct 20, 2017
DonPerreaultThanks for the review, saved me from buying.
Going to spend more time in the reviews before buying!
Going to spend more time in the reviews before buying!
SterlingBourne
116
Apr 19, 2018
aaaaaand it's back again. April 2018 (for those who don't want to do "week" math).
R000
5
Feb 22, 2015
Some wood. 5 locks. Some picks. For USD$70+s? Are you kidding me? I'm just about done with this site.
K.T.N
1264
Mar 23, 2015
R000I had a similar reaction: I can easily build one of these on my own. And I have access to a bunch of old lock cylinders, being in the apartment management business.
But I bought one of these sets anyway, seeing as I have no time to build anything these days.
What the description doesn't make clear is that each of the included cylinders comes installed with the number of pins indicated by the number on the cylinder. So cylinder 1 has one pin, 2 has two, etc., up to 5.
I initially thought they were all 5 pin cylinders, just different ones.
Well, if you are learning from the ground level, this graduated approach does give you a better understanding of how your actions are affecting the pins and locking mechanism. This is especially apparent with the lower numbered pin cylinders. So there is a value to what you get in terms of learning.
If all of these had been 5 pin cylinders, you'd have less of a cause and effect understanding of what you just did, and more of a sense of just getting lucky.
So while you could build something like this yourself, it would take some time and effort to assemble a graduated set of cylinders like this yourself. Which is why I think this is a decent deal, if you consider the educational value of the set.
Having said that, I do agree that Massdrop is not the culprit in what one might consider a too high price for the material. It is Southord who set the retail price, so they should bear the burden of complaint if you feel the price is too high.
But I bought one of these sets anyway, seeing as I have no time to build anything these days.
What the description doesn't make clear is that each of the included cylinders comes installed with the number of pins indicated by the number on the cylinder. So cylinder 1 has one pin, 2 has two, etc., up to 5.
I initially thought they were all 5 pin cylinders, just different ones.
Well, if you are learning from the ground level, this graduated approach does give you a better understanding of how your actions are affecting the pins and locking mechanism. This is especially apparent with the lower numbered pin cylinders. So there is a value to what you get in terms of learning.
If all of these had been 5 pin cylinders, you'd have less of a cause and effect understanding of what you just did, and more of a sense of just getting lucky.
So while you could build something like this yourself, it would take some time and effort to assemble a graduated set of cylinders like this yourself. Which is why I think this is a decent deal, if you consider the educational value of the set.
Having said that, I do agree that Massdrop is not the culprit in what one might consider a too high price for the material. It is Southord who set the retail price, so they should bear the burden of complaint if you feel the price is too high.
FlyingMonkey
22
Mar 13, 2016
True but there are many who would never figure this out without this sort of help.
tesseract4
9
Aug 12, 2016
FlyingMonkeyIf you're using these locks on your house, you need better locks. These are extremely cheap locks and are very easy to pick.
Deathocracy
44
Aug 18, 2016
I just made a quick first impressions on this, I had very similar impressions on the ease of this kit as many others in this discussion but maybe a visual display of the kit can better inform some people. Check it out!~
Subgenius213
14
Jul 31, 2016
Moving on to the locks - I have a teeny tiny bit of experience playing around with a cheap pick set and whatever old locks I would find lying around. With that, I was through all five of these in no time at all and what's even more ridiculous is that I got through locks 1, 2 and 3 with JUST the tension bar alone using it to rake the pins into place and spin the lock in just a few motions. Locks 4 and 5 took a whole five minutes each.
Now the pick set itself. Is someone actually trying to tell me that these are quality tools? Hey listen, I'm a sucker for quality tools. I'm the same dummy who pays $50-$60 each for Snap=On wrenches and whatnot, so yeah, I'm not afraid to spend on what I believe to be quality. These paper thin pieces of punched metal are not quality by any measure.
At the end of the day, I received a useless piece of wood, five crappy and useless locks and a pick set that isn't strong enough to pick my teeth much less any real lock. Thanks for nothing Massdrop. I have been using this site for quite some time and I've spent a fair amount of money here and all the while, I never voiced my feelings about how many of these drops save the buyer a couple of dollars at the expense of having to wait for often times MONTHS to receive the item. I haven't complained about the total lack of structure, in that the drop organizer never really has any information about their particular drop. I would expect the person running the drop to be at least an enthusiast if not an expert and thereby providing some guidance or personal opinion as to why they are pushing their drop as opposed to a competitor's product.
However, with this ridiculous excuse for a high-end product, I am most likely truly done with Massdrop for good, as they have made it perfectly clear that they have no interest in the quality of the products being sold, the amount of money being saved for the customer or the timeliness of the drop fulfillment. So if they don't care then I'm certainly not going to.
Just my personal opinion. Am I turning into a grumpy old cow in my old age or do any of you agree with me on this stuff? I really would like to hear.
JimmyDeFox
4
Oct 20, 2015
I wanted to buy this at $59.99, but it says theyre already unlocked. Seems pointless to buy a lockpick set for unlocked locks.
henrythefirst
2
Jan 12, 2016
JimmyDeFoxDo you have any idea how locks work? lol This is not for you mate
Shinytoys
17
Jun 10, 2017
Are you all at Massdrop completely fucked in the head? Does this come with one free lesson of breaking and entering?
Gimme
36
Oct 20, 2017
No, he commented to you to point out that they're not just going to ship this to just anybody on the planet...
And BTW, anyone trying to break and enter isn't going to use a lockpick when they can simply DRILL YOUR LOCK just as silently...and, unless I'm "completely fucked in the head", cordless drills and bits are FAR easier to obtain...
Next you'll be crying about people buying sledgehammers and crowbars at the local Home Depot...
And BTW, anyone trying to break and enter isn't going to use a lockpick when they can simply DRILL YOUR LOCK just as silently...and, unless I'm "completely fucked in the head", cordless drills and bits are FAR easier to obtain...
Next you'll be crying about people buying sledgehammers and crowbars at the local Home Depot...
ConradHilton
19
Dec 21, 2016
Pairs great with the expert lock set from scam stuff, for anyone who wants more of a challenge after they master this trainer. Not sure if anyone has linked to this yet, but I bought this as soon as the drop went live this last time.
http://www.scamstuff.com/products/advanced-lock-pick-expansion-set
ConradHilton
19
Jan 4, 2017
VloshkoNice. Much thanks. I needed a good way to practice car wafers without it looking like I was breaking in to one.
Jpit
3
Oct 28, 2016
Overpriced Junk. My 8 year old daughter blew through the entire set in under 5 minutes. The locks do not set in the storage holes securely as the photo leads one to believe. The picks are some of the worst quality available.
Mick528
0
Jan 4, 2017
They are trainers for beginners. If you are already trained then don't buy them. That does not make them junk. It makes it a great set for people who have never picked a lock in their entire life and need to get the feel of how pins work.
Pyro_hedgehog
63
Aug 13, 2017
Sparrows lock picks have some good ones, if you go to an antique store (they don't sell the cores too much in my experience) you can find a "core" (I just mean the base with nothing that moves out side of the lock) of a lock where you can pop the core and pin it how ever you like
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