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Tex Yoda II TrackPoint Mechanical Keyboard Kit

Tex Yoda II TrackPoint Mechanical Keyboard Kit

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fuck i totally missed that, need this for my couch computer. does it work on a raspberry pie?
Is there a way to get back light on this keyboard?
Is it as simple as buying new switches and key caps? Not sure if the board supports back light.
w360
That will cost another $100. Sorry.
I really loved this keyboard. Sadly, the trackpoint stick broke within the first couple months of daily use.
Could just have been my bad experience, so I won't tell people off this drop; just meant to offer one bit of experience.
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Honestly, I didn't even reach out to them to try and get it replaced. After spending so long soldering to get it put together, that a component would break so quickly mostly removed my confidence in the product.
Like I said, I love the idea, I just didn't have a good experience with it.
halosghost
A friend of mine also accidentally busted his trackpoint module during a move. He contacted Tex and got a replacement very quickly -- you should go ahead and get yours working again.
Would be great if there was a tool or service that could make keycaps compatible with this keyboard.
McDoogle
Tex's new ADA keycaps for the Kodachi may also fit the Yoda. But this has to be a common problem for any trackpoint keyboard. Cap options are also limited for the EnduraPro.
A complete solution would probably include (1) drill press jig to correctly orient the G-H-B caps, (2) correctly sized bit(s), (3) set of trackpoint stems of different lengths. And I'm sure that machining plastic (especially ABS) would require some special techniques to avoid cracking.
Here is a video review of the keyboard: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GyKQfuBmsyg.
If this was 70% I'd replace my thinkpad compact at work.
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Pressing two keys is really annoying when you can just press one key. I do agree having the F-key within reach is nice, which is why I like the compact layouts that get rid of the gaps between the F-keys (tried one of those 75% keyboads, really nice). Personally that's the lowest compromise I'd go for.
yslee
I think the argument in favor of modifiers and layers is that you can stay on the home row. Which is also the argument for the trackpoint. Not saying that this argument applies to every use case, but I do think that 60% may be an ideal solution for many users.
Since its a kit do Khail navy box also fit?
denym
Yes, can't see any reason, that they're not going to work.
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dvorcol
It’s a poke ball
"[...] ranging from different layouts (ANSI, ISO, DIY, etc.) "
I'm slightly irritated that you state ISO support in the drop text, but dont offer the layout in the drop itself. No international love? Come on guys!
Edit: I see the kit includes a ISO enter, but I was thinking about specific keys because of the track-point etc. Thus not allowing an aftermarket kit.
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Wow, I'm actually blind, I see that there is the ISO enter there. Ordered :)
Thanks for pointing it out :D
ZeroCool
You're welcome and have fun.
Why no ISO layout? We get left out every time :C
Is there any reason why we can't pay more and have this pre-assembled?
lastzero
We can work on a separate drop :)
If this were bluetooth/wireless, I would lose my shit.
Just in case, someone doesn't know. Tex Kodachi, even pricier, but for fans (maybe) worth it.
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https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_detail&p=4260
Makami
Whoooooaaaaaaa!
Makami
Wow... Just wow...
Does anyone use this keyboard with Linux OS? If so, have you ever passed the USB device to a KVM VM successfully?
FaceMcBashy
I assume by USB device you are referring to the storage device used to upload the configuration? If so it is the same as any flash drive or other storage device. I admit I have not tried to pass this specific device through KVM though, I don't see why it wouldn't work.
As for using it on Linux, everything seems to work fine. The USB device is just flash memory formatted in vfat so you can mount it and upload the configuration without a windows VM (in case that's what you were trying to do). You just have to set the dip switches in the correct configuration. All off except for 6.
When I soldered this thing together, it worked, but once I mounted it in the aluminum chassis, and mounted the keycaps, the D and F key flash twice when plugged in, and then go very dim.
Help?
Does anyone know about the origin and makeup of the actual TrackPoint in this? Is it the same as the TrackPoint on a ThinkPad? Notably:
1. Is it based on a rigid Strain Gauge or movable Force Sensitive Resistor? 2. Does it have the ThinkPad programming and motion algorithms?
I worked with the inventor of the TrackPoint at the IBM Almaden Research Center, and I worked on some of the advanced motion algorithms that Lenovo inherited when they split off the ThinkPad business from IBM in the 90's. If it has these algorithms and ergonomics, it's very interesting. If not, it's not worth it for the "TrackPoint."
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Thanks for the info. Actually Tex Kodachi looks really good -- has the cursor and function keys that I need. Only drawback is that in emulating the ThinkPad keyboard they swapped the Ctrl and Fn keys. Of course it's programmable, and hopefully that extends to Fn key/Fn lock functionality (since they don't throw keycodes but modify other keys directly). Also, I'd hope they supply replacement keycaps for Ctrl and Fn because you can't swap them, being of different sizes. I've got to see if there's a discussion for the Kodachi.
DeviceNode
I've always been curious about the difference between thinkpad trackpoints and others. I once had a Dell with Trackpoint and it was completely unusable - and I've used thinkpad trackpoints for well over a decade. I noticed that the acceleration on my thinkpad would start slow, then speed up. It seemed to have a deceleration curve too. But there must be much more than that, I would think. Is the difference mostly mechanical? How complex are the algorithms? Are they more empirical - with lots of heuristic variables for tuning? Why is it so hard for everybody else to get it right?
Make one of these with the same 99 key layout as the kira and I'll give you all of my monies.
For anyone considering this, also look into a RollerMouse Red. It's not cheap, but I love mine and it operates under a similar principle--but I find that the roller bar is easier to use than the Thinkpad style nub. Also works with your existing keyboards. (Sent from my Lenovo Thinkpad.)
experimentjon
Agreed. I used it with my TKL keyboard before I got the Tex Yoda II. It's a good (though not cheap...) alternative if you already have an end-game keyboard.
experimentjon
Some people don't find the TrackPoint comfortable or intuitive. But you have to properly train yourself before you make that decision. Scientifically, the TrackPoint is much more physiologically ergonomic than the RollerMouse. You have to train yourself for 20-30 minutes with a pointing-intensive activity like playing solitaire. Then come back to it the next day after the training has set in your brain and see how it feels. Occasional use won't train you the way an intensive session will.
I'd jump for the cheaper, fullsize version.
With a trackpoint onboard, anything under 18" W is fine, as that can fit just fine on a rack shelf or almost any keyboard tray.
Seriously though, at $260 I was expecting to see Topre when I scrolled down. Many custom Cherry keyboards costing less than 1/2 of this, most with more switches on board. I'm open to hearing why this custom kit costs an extra $150.
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No, it's a taiwanese manufacturer.
XTaran
Ah. That would explain the high pricing.
And in true classic ThinkPad style, it's a TKL!
Which is great for people who like TKL. I don't like these puny keyboards. I need function keys and a numpad.
I do really like the kit idea, though, I built a mech numpad a year or two ago and it was a pretty fun experience! Don't know if I'd want to solder a whole keyboard...
Hopefully we see a full variant later on, this would be really handy for keeping both hands on the keyboard, would be especially awesome at work.
Jackal-Frost
Technically, this is in 60% format, not TKL (TKL is a full-size minus numpad).
However, a newer ~75% format (i.e. with function row and arrow keys) Tex keyboard will be coming out soon (the Tex Kodachi), which mimics the old-school 7-row Thinkpad keyboard layout as much as possible.
chewgl
Yep, you're completely right about that, my mistake.
That's good to know, I might be intrigued by that, but I'd still have to use a separate numpad, which is a hard proposition for a nearly 300 dollar keyboard kit...
what exactly do the three buttons under the space key do ?
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the middle button also activates scroll when used with the trackpoint. very nice for browsing.
chewgl
Thats handy. I don't see many mouses with a third click and no wheel.
Is there a way I can get just the circuit board & electronics? My son poured water on mine and now it's dead :(
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I'm looking for the PCB and plate. Do you still have yours, or how to email Justin?
gmichael52
justin (at) tex (dash) design (dot) com (dot) tw
or contact me at chewgl (at) yahoo (dot) com for more details on the PCB.
Any chance of ordering one without switches or even without switches+keycaps since it's a kit? I have plenty of both and can make the cutouts in anything. I'd rather save a bit of money.
why pay $260 for a kit when you can get it built for $281?
mkstr
I assume you are referring to this page https://mechanicalkeyboards.com/shop/index.php?l=product_list&c=515 . This drop is for the LED version, which sells for $299 there (assembled). Still not great, but with free shipping, at least for me in the states, it's not insignificant. I'd also rather assemble it myself, but I realize that's not for everyone.
EDIT: Also all the versions on that page are sold out except for Cherry MX Green
Any reason why there's no option for the Tex Yoda II without any switches? In the end, it's a kit to be able to decide on the switches from the plethora of switch models out there and not just four or five Cherry MX switch types. So why do I have to buy a full set of Cherry MX switches if I don't want to have Cherry MX switches in my Tex Yoda II?
This is a quite important point that might be a deal breaker for many Euro customers:
As far as I can see from the web configurator (https://yoda2.tex-design.com.tw) there is NO support for an AltGr key which means there is NO support for keys with more than two characters/symbols.
For example: if I were to use a standard Swedish ISO layout, I'd lose the following characters/symbols: @£${[]}\~|
Please correct me if I'm wrong, but it looks as even though the hardware ISO support is there, ISO key mapping is not.
I saw the pic and wanted this. Then I saw the price. $260 is totally outrageous for a 60% with a trackpoint. It doesnt even support Bluetooth, which totally defeats the purpose of having a trackpoint in the first place. I would never use that on my desk. Fail.
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Because if I am at my desk, I’ll use a mouse or a trackball or anything before I would use a trackpoint. It’s an inferior pointing device. It would only be useful in situations where I couldnt easily use a mouse, like when traveling or sitting on the couch. I usually carry a bluetooth mechanical keyboard and a wireless mouse, but it’s a pain in the ass. I’m always dropping the mouse, and I dont have room to use it. If this keyboard was wireless, it would solve all my problems, and I would buy it and use it every day. I dont think this keyboard is very useful in its current form. When I see a trackpoint, I think “old laptop” and “portability”. I don’t want to be messing with cables if I am on-the-go.
Just because a keyboard supports Bluetooth and has a battery, it doesn’t mean it won‘t work with a regular cable. My Anne Pro has great Bluetooth, and it also works hardwired. I can even disconnect he battery, and it still types like a dream. It cost $80, it works with my iPad, and it has full RGB. I see so many ridiculously expensive keyboards on this site, and they rarely ever have Bluetooth. For me, it’s an absolutely necessary feature for something I will be carrying around in my backpack.
TheMadClacker
I have both the Anne pro and the Tex Yoda. The Tex Yoda just feels amazingly solid to use, less "clacky". I pair the Tex Yoda with a numpad and a trackball, and use both the trackpoint (for fine movements when jumping between lines / paragraphs of text), and trackball (for larger movements). Having the trackpoint can make text editing a lot easier, it really does complement, rather than replace a mouse / trackball.
That said, I've been a Thinkpad user for the past 15 years, so I'm used to trackpoints. YMMV.
Is there anywhere to go to see the layouts that this supports? I know someone said ISO, which made me think that it might support others (split backspace, split shift, etc).
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I'd seen that configurator- I guess I'm just more used to there being a layout diagram. Thanks for the response- I've never been good at reading PCB's for layouts!
ChuckDee
It's much more user friendly with a layout diagram. I've just stared at enough pics of PCBs that some things stuck, I guess. :D
I like how there are three buttons below the space key.
This looks so ugly...