dreadinny@dreadinny you can pair the speakers with any subs but the best match is from the same vendor, then similar features than the original vendor. The JBL unit you showed would work just fine. Subs can run from few hundred $ to few thousand so I won't comment on price but for pricing similar to the Yamaha their sub is worth higher priced subs, just my opinion else as long as you don't mind the different cabinet style, music is music. :)
MusicIsGreatI would like to echo these sentiments. It is better always to pair speakers/monitors with the appropriate subwoofer. The manufacturer "voices", matches the particular sound of the drivers, with the others in a series or line. So if you had to make a choice for a subwoofer, stick with Yamaha. That doesn't mean you cannot buy a different manufacturers sub either. I often love mix-matching subs. Each sub has a distinct voice and presence, often getting the right bottom can make a difference in your overall mix. So don't be afraid of trying different combos of subs and speakers ever.
dreadinnyI will reach out to them tomorrow and let you all know as soon as we work something out. Other members have suggested Ultimate Support as an alternative. They do make fine product as well. I happen to know many of these companies personally for years and can only say great things about them all. I will post a little later in regards to the various Ultimate Support options.
In a related matter how do you feel about mic stand/cable bundles for studios? There are some options available or we could design a custom package if there is interest.
dreadinnyIn regards to your subwoofer question:
This is a good sub by any measure, especially with the neodymium transducer. My bass cabs for my bass rig have neodymium transducers. They are light-weight, full range and keep the lows fat, while preserving silky smooth mids. For me, mids are everything, I know that can be musical sacrilege to some, but without mids, you are missing most of what the human ear actually hears. Your ear cannot perceive most of the low frequencies that these speakers, headphones and sub produce, FACT. And most people who listen to live music or music at high volumes over years, have lost much of their upper register. Mid-range is crucial to making music full bodied and accurate from source-to-source.
The Harman HiQnet™ Network, USB is a new thing, I have no comment other than be careful...USB can be noisey and that noise bleeds into what you're hearing during mixdown. I stay clear of USB connections for mixing purposes. Stick with the SPDIF if you must use something other than the balanced XLR's; there are 6 on this model, so you have everything that you'll need as far as input are concerned.
And lastly, feel free to use the room correction liberally, it works!
dreadinnyI do a lot of very bass heavy music, and unless you're willing to spend a lot of money on a musically accurate subwoofer, I wouldn't get one for production sake. Post-mix referencing sure, but having a sub during production can paint an inaccurate picture, mess your mix up etc. If you want a good low-end reference point with more accuracy, and that will not affect your room setup, look at a Subpac S2.
SeanReidI think the LSR4312SP is discontinued. I still see them at vendors for 1000 bucks. What confuses me is the rear. It has inputs for surround sound. Is that to mix surround in the studio? I might hold off and look for one of these or a KRK which is the same price range. I would LOVE for you guys to put a killer sub deal here. I would be in for that
dreadinnyYes, you're absolutely right!
This is for mixing surround sound in videos and film. However, it can be used for stereo mixing as well. Any film or video mix is always mixed, independent of each other, in surround and stereo. That is why when you watch a film at home on your home theater, versus on your tablet or with headphones, the mix sounds relatively comparable. The need to keep the overall sound reproduction congruent from stereo to surround; including the various surround configurations from 5.1, 7.1 to 9.2, requires meticulous remixing for each one. So please do not be deterred by the number of inputs.
And it is not discontinued, but it may be going away. I have contacted the manufacturer and when they get back to me with stock and status, I will let you know.
deafblindGreat news, I spoke with JBL and they do in fact have the LSR4312SP available, but not sure on its future. I have started a poll with a few similar options, we would love to get your input and opinions going forward. Please follow the link below to the Subwoofer poll and late's make this drop
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/studio-sub-woofers
dreadinnyIt is unique to say the least, very Euro-minimalist. Chair looks interesting, good back support, I wonder where it's from? Still looking into the boom stands, will be posting some today I hope. Also keep your eyes peeled for news on the subwoofer.
SeanReidYeah. Nice clean setup. I looked for the JBL 12 in New York and California at a few stores. Looks discontinued. I hope that means you can score it for a great price!
SeanReidOne more question for the sub. I see it is made to match with monitors. Will it perform well with speakers other than LSR 4300 series of monitors from JBL? I know a sub can work with any system, but this sub has electronics that "talk" to those monitors
dreadinnyWhat you are referring to is the Harman HiQnet, it is a proprietary system which allows for wireless control and syncing of all the speakers in the system. This is designed for video production sound editing. For stereo music mixing and recording, it is not necessary.
dreadinnyI got no answer as to what the foreseeable future holds for the sub woofers in this line. I would say hunt around and see, but as I stated before, there are many great subs in the market. A sub woofer is the easiest component to interchange in a studio. We have a poll and a drop for the Yamaha HS8 sub woofer right now!
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/yamaha-hs8-studio-subwoofer?s=yamaha%20sub
It will be a perfect match for the monitors you got, so there are options available to you.
SeanReidThanx. The Yamaha sub you mentioned is more entry level. I need more resonance/response. I found the JBL for $969. I will probably buy it tomorrow.
dreadinnyNice!
It looks great and I am glad you're happy with it. I was really hoping we could have done a drop on these, but there will be other subs. Any chance we could get some pics of your studio and setup?
SeanReidSure. MPC was sent out for repair. I will send when it comes back. Here are some of my older work horses. Still rock with that MPC 30 and love the MPC 3000
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dreadinnyThe MPC3000 was beast and a work horse, in truth, I liked all of the MPC in its various incarnations. I really loved the MPC Renaissance, perhaps we will have to reopen the drop on that piece too?
SeanReidI got my Ren here. I think it was $569. Might get the Studio to travel with. I really hate the direction of not standalone though. Means carrying the MPC AND a laptop.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/jbl-lsr310s-powered-studio-subwoofer?s=subwoofer
In a related matter how do you feel about mic stand/cable bundles for studios? There are some options available or we could design a custom package if there is interest.
This is a good sub by any measure, especially with the neodymium transducer. My bass cabs for my bass rig have neodymium transducers. They are light-weight, full range and keep the lows fat, while preserving silky smooth mids. For me, mids are everything, I know that can be musical sacrilege to some, but without mids, you are missing most of what the human ear actually hears. Your ear cannot perceive most of the low frequencies that these speakers, headphones and sub produce, FACT. And most people who listen to live music or music at high volumes over years, have lost much of their upper register. Mid-range is crucial to making music full bodied and accurate from source-to-source.
The Harman HiQnet™ Network, USB is a new thing, I have no comment other than be careful...USB can be noisey and that noise bleeds into what you're hearing during mixdown. I stay clear of USB connections for mixing purposes. Stick with the SPDIF if you must use something other than the balanced XLR's; there are 6 on this model, so you have everything that you'll need as far as input are concerned.
And lastly, feel free to use the room correction liberally, it works!
This is for mixing surround sound in videos and film. However, it can be used for stereo mixing as well. Any film or video mix is always mixed, independent of each other, in surround and stereo. That is why when you watch a film at home on your home theater, versus on your tablet or with headphones, the mix sounds relatively comparable. The need to keep the overall sound reproduction congruent from stereo to surround; including the various surround configurations from 5.1, 7.1 to 9.2, requires meticulous remixing for each one. So please do not be deterred by the number of inputs.
And it is not discontinued, but it may be going away. I have contacted the manufacturer and when they get back to me with stock and status, I will let you know.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/studio-sub-woofers
There are plenty of articulating boom mic stands out there, I will "drum" up some options and post them later.
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/yamaha-hs8-studio-subwoofer?s=yamaha%20sub
It will be a perfect match for the monitors you got, so there are options available to you.
It looks great and I am glad you're happy with it. I was really hoping we could have done a drop on these, but there will be other subs. Any chance we could get some pics of your studio and setup?