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Apogee Culinary Dragon BD1N Kitchen Knives

Apogee Culinary Dragon BD1N Kitchen Knives

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Designed by Apogee Culinary and manufactured by Yaxell in Japan’s cutlery capital, Seki City, these FDA-approved kitchen knives offer a professional edge for virtually any kitchen task. They’re made from nitrogen-enriched American BD1N steel, which has been heat treated to a Rockwell Hardness of 63 for excellent slicing performance; to see this steel in action, check out the video below of a recent rope-cut test Read More

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scared
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Oct 12, 2017
Massdrop really should base their prices on the lowest price from a large vendor. At least for the 3.5" paring knife, it's $15 more on Amazon, but you get free 2-day shipping (assuming you have Prime, which most people do).
Although I find it hilarious that a Apogee rep roasted a guy in this discussion for posting a link that had the price higher, his point still stands. Massdrop is a good place to buy unique products, and that's about it. Why wait a month or two and pay shipping when you can get it in 2 days with free shipping (again, assuming you have Amazon Prime)?
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The price may vary, but you get the point (pun very much intended).
Not to mention, it's a little childish for a company's representative to be getting hot and bothered about a guy posting a useless link haha
Thank you
PNWNative
448
Jul 8, 2019
You are the owner of Apogee and then make references to "Mr. Epstein" in the third person? That is too much.
OaKK
1
Oct 12, 2017
The knives are sold in other places cheaper than here and without any waiting time. I found that it is more and more difficult to find any good deals here. http://www.cutleryandmore.com/yaxell-sale
As promised I called the other web site, and they have ended the sale.
TimJones
16
Oct 15, 2017
Deaomega1214Dude you are seriously getting out of control......
tsturzl
157
Sep 17, 2017
I bought the paring knife and the santoku. When I bought the santoku I hadn't really paid attention to the contour of the edge in the product pictures, I assumed it was like a traditional santoku. Out of the box this was something that worried me, because I was looking for a santoku for the straight up-and-down chopping motion vs the gliding-slicing action you'd use with a german style knife. I have to say upon using it I was thoroughly impressed. The contour of this knife opens it up to being an incredibly versatile kitchen knife. Not only can it function like a traditional santoku, but it also functions like a European style chefs knife. This means that not only can you use it like you would a santoku, but you can also use it as a chefs knife, and even use it for a hybrid style of a chopping-slicing style motion. So in addition to functioning as a santoku for lots of chopping, it can serve as a chefs knife when I don't need a 10" chefs knife or if I simply don't want to get another knife dirty. Very useful, and very well thought design that I wouldn't expect at this price point.
The paring knife is what I expected. I wanted a wider blade with a nice belly on it. Having used a traditional paring knife for the past few years I found that something with a good belly on it makes it easier to cut through harder food because less of the blade is actually in contact creating less friction, and better control of detail for finer paring tasks again because you can engage less of the cutting edge for more precise cuts.
The steel is excellent, excellent resistance to corrosion, holds an great edge for a long time, not incredibly difficult to sharpen comparable to VG-10 in that regards but I have yet to need to sharpen again since I got them after I changed the angle right off the bat(my preference, not required). I'd say all around I'm more impressed with the edge retention of this steel compared to VG-10. If using in a professional setting I wouldn't doubt you could get through a full days work with a very workable edge, and only requiring the occasional stropping to keep that razors edge. 2 weeks of heavy use and I've had to strop only once. This steel will take a pretty polished edge also, I'd say 3 micro, nearly mirror finish.
The handle of this knife really fills the hand, and has a great contour with a nice swell for the palm to rest in. It's also fairly well balanced, being slightly heavier towards the blade. I assume the pommel on the end is to balance the blade since it does have a fairly thick spine.
All-in-all this has to be the best value I've come across. Great steel, great design, very functional. Would highly recommend this knife whether for professional use or the average home gamer.
tsturzlI can't thank you enough for this awesome Review. You noticed and appreciated everything we were trying to accomplish in the design. I really appreciate the time you took to write this.
Quiros
96
Sep 18, 2017
tsturzlAgreed about the shape of the paring knife. It's great for peeling ginger especially.
A community member
Sep 13, 2017
Want to add not only are these great knives, Apogee and Mr. Epstein really care about the product and the consumer. I had a concern about one of my Dragon knives from a early purchase. Mr. Epstein responded in less than a day to immediately address my concern. Outstanding product and outstanding service.
Thank you so much for saying that. It means a lot to me and our little company.
bsk730
4
Sep 15, 2017
I missed the MD for the Dragon Fusion, and got one for the same deal on cutleryandmore. I love the knife. I've been using it every day for almost a month now, and without passing it on a steel or strop, it still shaves hair off my arm just like it did on day one. I'm planning on switching from my Global knives to the Dragon set, and picking up the 10" on this drop.
The only thing I did notice is that for my hand, and I'm not sure it'll be the same for all of these knives, is that they could be just a smidge girthier in the handle, and I wouldn't mind in the least. Overall my Fusion is still very comfortable and a joy to use.
bsk730
4
Oct 5, 2017
My 10" chef's knife came in the mail today and I have to say I'm seriously in love. As the second knife I've purchased from the Dragon line it seriously shows that the quality of your product is across the board. It went right into my knife roll, but not after being heavily ogled and admired. I can't wait to use it at work tomorrow, and I'm really starting to get an itch to purchase the rest of the Dragon and Dragon Fire lines. I can't remember exactly how I stumbled upon these knives but it was only by chance and I'm so glad I did. Thank you for taking the time to make such a nice product. The workmanship that goes into these is truly evident and I hope to see even more offerings in the future with the BD1N steel.
bsk730You are welcome! Glad you love them
SomeoneWhoBuys
11
Oct 16, 2017
... Just an update, my 8-inch Chef's knife arrived. It's incredible, drawing ooh's and aah's from everyone who either sees or holds it. And then they use it and are blown away, thanks for a great product, I think I'll order some more from this drop!
SomeoneWhoBuysThank you for taking the time to write this, I had a rough weekend.
SomeoneWhoBuys
11
Oct 16, 2017
Deaomega1214Any time, I am 20 years old, and already sick of sub standard products, good to get something worth the money, I'll be getting a bread knife and paring knife this drop.
Penn
61
Oct 16, 2017
I, too, was about to join this drop, and what stopped me and will keep me from ever buying this brand is the appalling behavior of someone representing himself as the voice of the brand. If you'd insult prospective customers pre-sale, I can only imagine what kind of treatment we'd get if there were problems post-purchase.
The cutlery world is much too large and too competitive, and the competition too good, to justify supporting this kind of behavior. I'll be making another cutlery purchase here shortly, but not from this vendor.
PennI am sincerely sorry you feel that way. I hope you find cutlery you like.
PennHere is an unsolicited testimony about how good our service is. Again I’m sorry you were offended.
Want to add not only are these great knives, Apogee and Mr. Epstein really care about the product and the consumer. I had a concern about one of my Dragon knives from a early purchase. Mr. Epstein responded in less than a day to immediately address my concern. Outstanding product and outstanding service.
Kanano
46
Oct 17, 2017
These are seriously good knives! Nothing like them in the market. The only knives that somewhat come close in design are the western deba knives. These are much better priced and the steel is fantastic! I'm lurking around to get another 6 inch utility when it drops again. My 8 inch chef looks like it can compete with the Silent Hero knife!
KananoThank you for the endorsement.
A community member
Sep 11, 2017
I already have 4 Dragon knives. They great knives - sharp and well balanced in the hand. I was missing the 9-inch bread knife to finish out my Dragon knife set. So glad it is being offered in this drop.
Thank you for taking the time to write this. As the owner of Apogee and the designer, I appreciate it.
AngryAccountant
277
Sep 13, 2017
I'm seeing conflicting weight data, what's the 10 incher weigh?: 10 inch chef's knife from Apogee Culinary website: Specifications:
  • Weight: 4.8oz

Massdrop: 10-Inch Chef’s Knife
  • Weight: 9.6 oz (272 g)
Yes your right, got it reversed. Mass drop shows it with the box for shipping reasons.
AngryAccountant
277
Sep 13, 2017
Deaomega1214Ah good, 9.6 oz would be one hell of a knife... Thanks!
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LOL! So you started out saying Shun and Wusthof don't really forge knives, that they laser cut them instead. That nobody forges knives from blanks. Then you say BD1N is almost as good as S30V - which would mean it's a very bad steel for kitchen knives, even though it's an excellent steel for pocket knives, because it can neither take the keen edge of carbon steel, nor can it be touched up with a honing steel or even a ceramic rod, and since it chips before it nicks, sharpening it involves taking a layer of metal off the bottom of the edge, or else having a chef knife with an edge like a jack-o-lantern's smile. Which most people consider to be bad. You make these assertions about BD1N based on something you saw on Youtube, when most actual knifemakers compare it to 440C or maybe Sandvik, which are fine steels but entry level and considerably less prestigious than the likes of S30V. The steel you want in a pocket knife is not the steel you want in a chef knife, which is not the steel you want in a combat knife, which is not the steel you want in a boning knife. Basically you're severely underestimating the importance of the elasticity of the metal, and its ability to deform rather than shatter - and just thinking that pure hardness is what you want for your task. Because you think there's one spectrum for steel across all tasks, that steel is either good or bad and that's it, based on what folks say on Youtube about a new steel, and that major knifemakers who have competed with each other for centuries to make the most prestigious kitchen knives are secretly using bad steel. Aaand then when all this information comes to light, now suddenly you want to talk about me, instead of the knives. You started off saying my whole post was refutable and now instead when that didn't go well, the goalposts suddenly move over toward things that are wrong with me. And instead of defending what you said, you're just saying I didn't understand it correctly... and then shutting up, because you know I understood you just fine. It's like this: I'll cop to arrogance in a heartbeat, but you aren't gonna cop to thinking that stamped knives are as good as forged ones, nor are you going to acknowledge that the steels that make a good pocket knife are not necessarily good in other applications, because you think that admitting something like that makes you sound like a schmuck. It's just the opposite, but don't let me stop you.
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