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If this shipped to AU I would have bought it.
Ships only to US... can't join this drop. Fix that shipping limitation, and run the drop again, please.
How does this compare to the Kensington Expert Mouse?
literally for trackball masters
Is the black ball a completely opaque 'piano black' or is it a semitranslucent smoky black?
Is the white base with blue glow ball not pictured? CST2445-5WGL-RC  White Base  (Glow Blue With 2 external switch jacks)  It's on their website, but not in the gallery of pictures here..
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Same. I just ordered the one with the model number for the white base and blue ball, even though it showed a photo of the black base and blue ball. I'm guessing they just put the wrong photo on there -- if they have the white base and red ball, they probably have the white base and blue ball, too.
redgress17
Sorry for the delay on this guys but the vendor did not actually have a picture of the white base with glow blue ball.
I think at this point we will just leave that option with a text description so as to not confuse anyone.
Pfffff... after all this time... still shipping to the US only.
ealiagach
MD used to ship it internationally, it's not going to happen again.
Still not able to ship to the EU? This product isn't even available where I live...
Tofagerl
MD doesn't like international customers lol, they keep cutting out international shipping from various drops, including this one (it used to ship internationally)
Couple questions. As someone who is used to dedicated buttons for tasks such as opening tabs, switching screens, and cycling through open chrome tabs with the click of a button on my mouse, would I be better off with a kensington model because they have more programmable buttons or should I go with this and get some media keys and assign their roles separately? Also for the LED model of this, can the brightness of the LED be adjusted in the settings?
Spexx
There are about 50 actions that can be assigned to a click, but you'll probably want to auxiliary switches then (including keystroke macros). Those actions are preset by the software, except RUN() and SIMULATEDKEYSTROKES(). You can toggle actions on/off with scroll lock as well if you don't use aux switches. No opening tab or cycling tab, thought you could probably program the keystrokes to do so.
There is no LED adjustment in the software that I see.
The only thing preventing me from joining is the horrible location of the scroll-wheel. Unless someone tells me it actually works great, I'll stick to my 4 Microsoft Trackball Explorers...
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My keyboard is set fairly low so I prop the trackball up a little bit to make the front taller, since it doesn't promote a neutral wrist angle in my setup. Of course a little bit of Starboard and a wrist rest made it perfect. My ergonomics quest is complete. Split KB with this TB in the middle space allows me to switch hands, plus I have footpedals for all my clicks and used the extra button jacks in the TB to wire up a couple 100 mm switches for Ctrl and Shift.
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Mooseford
When I saw the picture of your setup I couldn’t help myself saying aloud: “Now *this* is how it’s done.” I would love to read all about it, the buid process, what didn’t work for you, the lessons learned, where can I get one of those Pip-Boy 3000s... Many thanks for posting!
How are trackballs for FPS gaming? Seems like it could be godly or disastrous.
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Massdropbear
Like anything, YMMV. I don't have any issues with nonFPS games, but I hardly play FPSs anymore. I am sure I could get used to it in that genre too, though. I imagine that the ability to click without disturbing your aim would be a distinct advantage too.
Massdropbear
Back when it was ball mouse or trackball, trackball was the way to go, but now its up in the air. Modern laser sensors make tracking a polished plastic ball easier than ever, but optical sensors like the 3360 make traditional mice excellent as well so its more a matter of picking something solid and mastering it
Hi, i have g903 mouse and I never had a trackball. It's worth it? Thanks.
I bought this a year ago and I love it. Buying another.
Does this trackball have wheel tilt buttons somewhere that I'm missing? I didn't think it had them, but the Superior-X software has an option to remap wheel tilt buttons. (Maybe it's for another product?)
> This drop can't be shipped to Finland
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ojrask
Just because. MD follows Trump's America First slogan to the letter lol
Just got my trackball, thanks MD. Fedex spent 3 days shuffling it around CA, I love those guys. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I ordered the non-glow model. It's possible to flash the glow firmware onto this one and add LEDs. I just confirmed it today by re-flashing mine and then testing the diode spots with a multimeter. Works great. Now just to pick some LEDs and get a translucent trackball.
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5mm might be a bit big. 3mm should get ok. I used 1.8mm and 2x3x4mm in both mine and they worked well enough.
yanfali
You're absolutely correct for using 1.8mm. Just read that 3mm diodes can cause the key caps to get stuck due to sitting too high. Nevermind those and 5mm! Thanks.
" External Switch Jacks and external Switches " could anyone explain to me what are those? Thanks
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Yeah but where you can put the external switches? Just leave them lying on your desk?
damx
You can put them wherever you like, the trackball has a mono 1/8 jack socket, so essentially you can connect any button that closes the circuit.
This seems like a terrible deal on a big trackball mouse designed for wrist strain. I've owned many trackballs over the years and my primary device, the $99 four button scroll ring Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) is $69.99 on Amazon (B01936N73I) with a 15% off coupon.
I'm using the wired version on this PC. Both have performed flawlessly for years and are strongly recommended.
https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k72359ww/expert-mouse-wireless-trackball
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AJCxZ0
Since I needed another trackball this drop seemed well timed, but after some research I found the Elecom M-HT1DRBK HUGE. It's $67.26 (wireless) or $53.92 (wired) on Amazon. I got the wired, though the wireless is cheaper than the Kensington Expert wired or wireless. No glowing balls, though.
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https://www.trackballmouse.org/elecom-m-ht1drbk-huge-wireless-trackball/
AJCxZ0
Thanks for making me aware of this trackball. Ordered one today!
There are comments about how some people are using standard 2.25" billiard balls with varied success. And then I went searching and found these http://www.twistedquarter.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=113_119 I'm not sure how well they'll work but they sure look pretty. The purple one would sure go well with GMK Laser.
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All three LED diodes on the CST board have two wires each that are very short. Do I just strip and cut the long wires that I got off eBay to a very short length and solder them on? (See picture I posted.) I'd appreciate any tips you have on de-soldering the ones that are currently on the CST board. Afraid of frying it. Thanks!
Ughh
Hey ughh. I hang out on the qmk discord, swing on by and I can talk you through it.
Seems the drop can only be shipped to the US. I am very dissatisfied. There might be some obvious explanation that I am unable to comprehend, so if someone is able to provide an answer to "why?" I might be able to settle (no irony). Thanks!
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OK, thanks. Sorry about sounding a bit grumpy in the OP.
larbjo
You're options are use a proxy or order it from Amazon if you have access to that. It's not clear why MD can't ship outside of US. It's probably a distribution deal that CST has with other regions, but no one at MD is saying.
The best thing IMO about CST's trackballs is how moddable they are. Didn't get the glow? You can solder on your own LEDs. Or swap the colors. They take a 2-1/4" ball, standard billiards ball size. I had a machinist turn a stainless steel cylinder for my roller, and 3D printed a housing for mechanical keyboard switches.
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Awesome, thanks man!
I've only ever held a soldering iron for pyrography on wood - I'm sure a good youtube session can teach me the rest. Access to a 3d printer / other tools via my uni's makerspace. Thinking I'll try arcade button switches come summer.
How did you map the buttons?
Edit: found your posts on Reddit. Much appreciated!
Cheers,
og._.lj
I originally used CST's software, "Superior-X Button Control" to swap the middle and right buttons for CAD panning, and used my two sidecar buttons for Esc and Del -- again, CAD :). But the utility seems to crash out on me a few times a week, and the button swap fails. Autohotkey seems to be a little more reliable for button mapping.
So this just dropped. Isn't this basically the same price you can get it anywhere else online? Where's the savings?
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Hmm I thought I saw it for 114 shipped. The maximum buy in is where it's at tho. I don't know how I missed that. I'm a little on the new side to mass drop.
Drack
I'm referring to the most barebones model, which is $18 less than the listed model's price. You'll see the options for different models, available colors/sizes etc and their price modifiers in the green box before the photo gallery, usually.
Cheers,
Is there any particular reason for not including international shipping? Just would like to spend the 25$ that I got from the delayed planck drop, but you are making it hard :/
C_ain
There's but MD is not telling. They used to ship this internationally but stopped at some point last year.
This may be a dumb question, but what is the advantage over this one vs the Kensington SlimBlade? (other than it lights up?) The Kensington has four buttons and you scroll by rotating the ball, so your fingers never really have to leave the ball. I have always been a trackball user (hate mice) and after using five different types over the years the SlimBlade is my favorite...
roissy
I have a CST and two SlimBlades. These are my experiences and impressions. One of the SlimBlades had a manufacturing defect which caused a squeak when using the scroll functionality (Kensington replaced it). Driver support seems to be easier with the CST: I use both trackballs on the same computer for different locations and the SlimBlade requires its own drivers and management program installed which does not play well with other devices or mouse managers (XMouseButtonControl for example). Not to mention the mess which ensues when using it for a remote desktop connection. The CST just works, although that's admittedly easier when there's less functionality (i.e., minus a button).
roissy
Personal preference, as usual. Also, CSTs are made in the USA. That's a huge deal to some people.
Still waiting for international shipping
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I think using a trackball centered is going to be awkward. Also, for the short time that I used an ergodox layout board, I found that I preferred the boards very close together. Have you been using a split board long?
Libero
Past drops used to have international shipping but at some point MD turned it off, just as I was about to order it lol.
Which color do you guys like most? Debating black vs blue. Did anyone who got black regret and wish they went blue and vice versa?
Is the light distracting?
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You have to be a little bit careful/experimental. I was excited to mess around with that too, but a lot of balls don't play nice, either with the steel rollers or the optical sensor. I bought a sweet Harley Davidson 8 ball for mine, and it rolled great. But every time the laser hit the cream-colored logo, it just went dead until I rolled back to a black part. It was a nightmare for CAD work, so I've shied away from billiards balls since then. Other people seem to be fine... Maybe the black vs. cream contrast was too high or something.
Other balls I've tried have been problematic for their texture. I tried a citrine sphere that looked perfectly smooth... Until I felt it on those steel rollers. Turned out it wasn't so smooth after all. I tried a 2.25in steel bearing ball. It was pretty awesome looking, but way too heavy. The best "alternative" ball I used was a 2.25in glass sphere.
Daed
That's insanely useful. Thanks @Daed
What difference between GL, L-Trac and GL+LTrac?
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So, did you modify the CST switches or did you come up with your own 3.5” jack cable...
Ughh
Assembled my own. Although it would be super easy to chop down a 3.5mm mono cable, I hate soldering the enameled wire they use in those. I just bought some fine gauge wire and 3.5mm TS plugs from eBay.
Someday, the wired elecom huge will show up here...
Someday...
Bummer... still no international shipping. 😡
ealiagach
Hey, Trump did proclaim "America First". MD simply follows his motto lol
ealiagach
Try to use relayshop or shipito
I just got my order today & missing 1 external switch. Can someone help me please!! Thank You!!
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I really don't think they will send you the switch unless you want to pay for the shipping fee again, you might be able to negotiate. I spend few days talking to them & try to get this resolve, the best they can do is give me partial refund. (Seriously? they messed up my order & I am getting partial refund.) Now I am stuck with 2 open external jacks with nothing to plug in. It left you with a bad option that you have to find these buttons from somewhere else because Massdrop don't sell it separately with free shipping. I already mentioned the item lists from the order page is very confusing and they really don't care of fixing it. Probably the employee got confuse as hell & didn't pack the buttons in our order. They also failed the weight check & left the warehouse. This is the most stupidest incident I encountered on Massdrop, and definitely holding me back ordering things here.
konobu
I just wanted to touch in because I did eventually recieve the correct missing switch from massdrop!