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First person shooter? on this thing, seriously?
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I had a friend that insisted they got good enough playing with a trackpad to play TF2 competently. I suspect that similarly mastering a trackball is like requires some kind of mitigating circumstance (like not having a real mouse, or living in a time before the WMO and the proliferation of good optical mice). A modern optical mouse is surprisingly good (sub 80 grams, remarkably low friction and tracking sppeds faster than safe human movement are possible), but ball mice, while potentially more intuitive than a trackball are objectively bad (higher, possibility nonlinear friction and slower movements are required to get the ball to grip the mousepad) Assuming you actually want to become an allstar ball handler (more for prestige then it being a superior system assuming you already know how to use a normal mouse pretty well), you'd have to start slow, lock your normal mouse in a drawer, and playing something like Quake (somewhat high sensitivity, and possibly mouse accel, but focus on fluid movements). With any luck you could play singleplayer games and arena shooters easily, but 'compensating for recoil' a la CS could be pretty hellish.
Rayndalf
LOL it was just the thing i'm talking about in the context of CSGO, the ultimate fps.
Honestly, cutting out Canada is just a mean spirited move on the part of MD. It's almost as if they are saying go give Amazon your money instead. Sigh...
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I thought we were both just BS'ing each other.
SaskAudioGuy
BS'ing how? There's real evidence the Chinese aim to gain influence over several countries right now by buying up the land, they're even doing it in the USA. It's a good way to gain control over a nation with poor long-term sight and without dirtying their hands in war. Half of Canada is literally owned by Chinese right now, specifically rich families and conglomerates linked directly back to the People's Republic... I mean I really don't care, Chinese rule over Canada would likely be an improvement.
Would like an RGB version. It's 2018. They would probably sell really well. Also, a braided cable would be nice.
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JJDeviloper
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What does the "-RC" specify? Can't find any CST2545W-RC on their website.
Love these four day long drops. Really makes my shopping experience enjoyable and easy. Even better is the month long wait time.
Chillary
We went ahead and extended the drop by 1 day and it will not affect shipping times. Cheers!
I had one of these back when they were made by Microspeed. I'm not sure how much they've changed other than the interface (mine was PS/2) but the major problems I had were:
  1. The metal rollers wore down the surface of the ball, causing it to no longer roll smoothly after a couple of years of use
  2. The middle button was a click lock (in hardware) and wasn't programmable
Anyone know if these issues have been fixed? I've been using Kensington trackballs (slimblade and expert) for the last 13 years and have been very happy with them.
swechsler
I’ve been using a CST trackball at work for ~4 years with no issues. I changed the rollers around 2 years ago for the new ones, no problems whatsoever.
Still not shipping internationally. Massdrop, do you hate money?
DrFish
No, MD just hates anyone who is not american lol
If this shipped to AU I would have bought it.
Ships only to US... can't join this drop. Fix that shipping limitation, and run the drop again, please.
Keithis
The way this trackball is built, makes it sensitive to long term vibrations that can happen while in transit. Long distance shipping aggrevates the problem. I suggested to Massdrop that they could disassemble the unit (pick the ball out) and make it safer for shipping, but they said they can't do that. I guess one way to solve the problem is not to ship overseas. Lucky me to get one while they were still shipping overseas. It has really helped relieve the stress on my hands to use this easy to use trackball rather than a standard mouse. It feels so natural to use the CST trackball that I don't even think about it. I was afraid that it might feel odd to use the oddly placed scroll wheel, but it's so incredibly smooth that it's not an issue. Like I said, I don't even think about it. It just works.
Mion
Thanks for the info. I can understand how it would be a problem to ship individual units, if they are sensitive to vibration. Don't quite understand how it is worse to ship to Europe than to the depths of the Ozarks, though. I guess my only option is to buy from a distributor in Europe. Yes, they exist. Maybe if a whole palette of these is being shipped for re-sale, it's cost-effective to stick a Drop(N)Tell to the outside of the big crate full of little boxes.
How does this compare to the Kensington Expert Mouse?
literally for trackball masters
Is the black ball a completely opaque 'piano black' or is it a semitranslucent smoky black?
Is the white base with blue glow ball not pictured? CST2445-5WGL-RC  White Base  (Glow Blue With 2 external switch jacks)  It's on their website, but not in the gallery of pictures here..
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Same. I just ordered the one with the model number for the white base and blue ball, even though it showed a photo of the black base and blue ball. I'm guessing they just put the wrong photo on there -- if they have the white base and red ball, they probably have the white base and blue ball, too.
redgress17
Sorry for the delay on this guys but the vendor did not actually have a picture of the white base with glow blue ball.
I think at this point we will just leave that option with a text description so as to not confuse anyone.
Pfffff... after all this time... still shipping to the US only.
ealiagach
MD used to ship it internationally, it's not going to happen again.
Still not able to ship to the EU? This product isn't even available where I live...
Tofagerl
MD doesn't like international customers lol, they keep cutting out international shipping from various drops, including this one (it used to ship internationally)
Couple questions. As someone who is used to dedicated buttons for tasks such as opening tabs, switching screens, and cycling through open chrome tabs with the click of a button on my mouse, would I be better off with a kensington model because they have more programmable buttons or should I go with this and get some media keys and assign their roles separately? Also for the LED model of this, can the brightness of the LED be adjusted in the settings?
Spexx
There are about 50 actions that can be assigned to a click, but you'll probably want to auxiliary switches then (including keystroke macros). Those actions are preset by the software, except RUN() and SIMULATEDKEYSTROKES(). You can toggle actions on/off with scroll lock as well if you don't use aux switches. No opening tab or cycling tab, thought you could probably program the keystrokes to do so.
There is no LED adjustment in the software that I see.
The only thing preventing me from joining is the horrible location of the scroll-wheel. Unless someone tells me it actually works great, I'll stick to my 4 Microsoft Trackball Explorers...
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My keyboard is set fairly low so I prop the trackball up a little bit to make the front taller, since it doesn't promote a neutral wrist angle in my setup. Of course a little bit of Starboard and a wrist rest made it perfect. My ergonomics quest is complete. Split KB with this TB in the middle space allows me to switch hands, plus I have footpedals for all my clicks and used the extra button jacks in the TB to wire up a couple 100 mm switches for Ctrl and Shift.
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Mooseford
When I saw the picture of your setup I couldn’t help myself saying aloud: “Now *this* is how it’s done.” I would love to read all about it, the buid process, what didn’t work for you, the lessons learned, where can I get one of those Pip-Boy 3000s... Many thanks for posting!
How are trackballs for FPS gaming? Seems like it could be godly or disastrous.
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Massdropbear
Like anything, YMMV. I don't have any issues with nonFPS games, but I hardly play FPSs anymore. I am sure I could get used to it in that genre too, though. I imagine that the ability to click without disturbing your aim would be a distinct advantage too.
Massdropbear
Back when it was ball mouse or trackball, trackball was the way to go, but now its up in the air. Modern laser sensors make tracking a polished plastic ball easier than ever, but optical sensors like the 3360 make traditional mice excellent as well so its more a matter of picking something solid and mastering it
Hi, i have g903 mouse and I never had a trackball. It's worth it? Thanks.
I bought this a year ago and I love it. Buying another.
Does this trackball have wheel tilt buttons somewhere that I'm missing? I didn't think it had them, but the Superior-X software has an option to remap wheel tilt buttons. (Maybe it's for another product?)
> This drop can't be shipped to Finland
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ojrask
Just because. MD follows Trump's America First slogan to the letter lol
Just got my trackball, thanks MD. Fedex spent 3 days shuffling it around CA, I love those guys. Anyway, if anyone is interested, I ordered the non-glow model. It's possible to flash the glow firmware onto this one and add LEDs. I just confirmed it today by re-flashing mine and then testing the diode spots with a multimeter. Works great. Now just to pick some LEDs and get a translucent trackball.
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5mm might be a bit big. 3mm should get ok. I used 1.8mm and 2x3x4mm in both mine and they worked well enough.
yanfali
You're absolutely correct for using 1.8mm. Just read that 3mm diodes can cause the key caps to get stuck due to sitting too high. Nevermind those and 5mm! Thanks.
" External Switch Jacks and external Switches " could anyone explain to me what are those? Thanks
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Yeah but where you can put the external switches? Just leave them lying on your desk?
damx
You can put them wherever you like, the trackball has a mono 1/8 jack socket, so essentially you can connect any button that closes the circuit.
This seems like a terrible deal on a big trackball mouse designed for wrist strain. I've owned many trackballs over the years and my primary device, the $99 four button scroll ring Kensington Expert Wireless Trackball Mouse (K72359WW) is $69.99 on Amazon (B01936N73I) with a 15% off coupon.
I'm using the wired version on this PC. Both have performed flawlessly for years and are strongly recommended.
https://www.kensington.com/us/us/4493/k72359ww/expert-mouse-wireless-trackball
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AJCxZ0
Since I needed another trackball this drop seemed well timed, but after some research I found the Elecom M-HT1DRBK HUGE. It's $67.26 (wireless) or $53.92 (wired) on Amazon. I got the wired, though the wireless is cheaper than the Kensington Expert wired or wireless. No glowing balls, though.
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https://www.trackballmouse.org/elecom-m-ht1drbk-huge-wireless-trackball/
AJCxZ0
Thanks for making me aware of this trackball. Ordered one today!
There are comments about how some people are using standard 2.25" billiard balls with varied success. And then I went searching and found these http://www.twistedquarter.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=113_119 I'm not sure how well they'll work but they sure look pretty. The purple one would sure go well with GMK Laser.
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All three LED diodes on the CST board have two wires each that are very short. Do I just strip and cut the long wires that I got off eBay to a very short length and solder them on? (See picture I posted.) I'd appreciate any tips you have on de-soldering the ones that are currently on the CST board. Afraid of frying it. Thanks!
Ughh
Hey ughh. I hang out on the qmk discord, swing on by and I can talk you through it.
Seems the drop can only be shipped to the US. I am very dissatisfied. There might be some obvious explanation that I am unable to comprehend, so if someone is able to provide an answer to "why?" I might be able to settle (no irony). Thanks!
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OK, thanks. Sorry about sounding a bit grumpy in the OP.
larbjo
You're options are use a proxy or order it from Amazon if you have access to that. It's not clear why MD can't ship outside of US. It's probably a distribution deal that CST has with other regions, but no one at MD is saying.
The best thing IMO about CST's trackballs is how moddable they are. Didn't get the glow? You can solder on your own LEDs. Or swap the colors. They take a 2-1/4" ball, standard billiards ball size. I had a machinist turn a stainless steel cylinder for my roller, and 3D printed a housing for mechanical keyboard switches.
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Awesome, thanks man!
I've only ever held a soldering iron for pyrography on wood - I'm sure a good youtube session can teach me the rest. Access to a 3d printer / other tools via my uni's makerspace. Thinking I'll try arcade button switches come summer.
How did you map the buttons?
Edit: found your posts on Reddit. Much appreciated!
Cheers,
og._.lj
I originally used CST's software, "Superior-X Button Control" to swap the middle and right buttons for CAD panning, and used my two sidecar buttons for Esc and Del -- again, CAD :). But the utility seems to crash out on me a few times a week, and the button swap fails. Autohotkey seems to be a little more reliable for button mapping.
So this just dropped. Isn't this basically the same price you can get it anywhere else online? Where's the savings?
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Hmm I thought I saw it for 114 shipped. The maximum buy in is where it's at tho. I don't know how I missed that. I'm a little on the new side to mass drop.
Drack
I'm referring to the most barebones model, which is $18 less than the listed model's price. You'll see the options for different models, available colors/sizes etc and their price modifiers in the green box before the photo gallery, usually.
Cheers,
Is there any particular reason for not including international shipping? Just would like to spend the 25$ that I got from the delayed planck drop, but you are making it hard :/
C_ain
There's but MD is not telling. They used to ship this internationally but stopped at some point last year.