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i have one of these listed on vancouver craigslist if anyone is in the area and interested
Finally got mine today. The package was lost twice and then the vendor refused to send out another one coz they've already lost two units. USPS is probably the one to blame because it was meant to be sent overseas but ended up in the US each time. Fortunately the MD customer support team are very nice and managed to send me the sample unit they have for photo, and gave me a partial refund of $25. I'd like to thank Kat and Kelly again for their help. GO 450 does sound better than the Monoprice DAC/Amp. Finally, as GO450 is officially discontinued, you should look elsewhere if you still want one, or get the latest GO V2, which is more expensive, though. Also, LH Labs seems to only enjoy clearing stock of discontinued products on MD, so we only got to drop each model of their first-gen GO once. I guess it would take at least another year for GO V2 drop to happen here.
Got mine. It sounds really really good with my AKG K545 cans.
Has anyone in Australia got their GO 450 yet? I got an email today from MD saying that it has been delivered to my address but I haven't received it yet. According to the tracking record, it was delivered, but the location is Edison, NJ. Not sure what happened. Hopefully it's just the MD system sending the premature email.
Let me be the first then, I didn't get two. Just one sealed package.
My international shipment isn't trackable outside the US. I have no option but to wait and hope my 129$ Geek Out turns up(a tall order in India). I wish paying a little extra for registered mail was possible.
*Update*: I have received my unit. The postman flung it in the basement of my building. I was lucky to find it in one piece. -_- Thank you Massdrop, for the prompt shipment. Screw you IndiaPost, for making sure I can never order from Massdrop again, unless trackable shipping is a possibility?
drop_the_mass
Yeah, same here. Not a fun time to live in South Africa currently. Bought the Geek Out so I could listen to music on my laptop without interruption as my desktop rig is affected by our frequent power outages due to our unstable energy grid and now our national postal service is affected again by a go slow strike which follows a 4 month strike just last year...
Using my Geekout 450 with the Audio Technica ATH-M50x headphones and listening to iTunes Radio.
What I've discovered is that FRM (concave button) filter sounds better than the TCM. The TCM (convex button) sounds very smooth and all but I think it hides some of the dynamics and definitely the higher frequencies.
The iTunes radio broadcasts the MP3 format at 256 kbps so it's not top quality to begin with so the FRM does better with it--letting the higher frequencies through better. Anyone else discover this?
I paid for two but I was cheated and only received one. Not honest at all! Now I am out of pocket and not a deal at all.
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It looks like everybody is getting 2, one sealed and one opened box. So I shouuld be expecting a sealed and two unsealed? Since I only have one sealed in wrapping which I haven't open yet at all.
sobriety
I guess that the extra ones received by others are supposed to be sent to those like you who ordered more than one. Since it's the vendor sending out the packages this time, maybe we shouldn't blame MD for this.
called to USPS, finally got it in today and so far GO450 sounds great through my DT880 and DT770. Well worth the money paid for them. Works great through my macbook pro, didn't need to do anything except plug in, go to audio MIDI to set it to play through the GO450, and press play. I didn't have to change the format or anything, left at 384k and iTunes played it fine. I'm about to head out of town this weekend and can't wait to bring it along, it's going to be a good weekend :p.
Indicator is not accurate. Stays 48Khz despite playing 44.1Khz and 96Khz
DeathbyMusic
Indicator may be accurate. You may not be bypassing the system mixer; in that case your audio player's claimed frequency will be converted to a single format the system feels it likes.
Carefully ensure you've set foobar2000 or your audio player of choice up correctly. Then check the LH Labs playback app/panel for the current frequency rate. If the panel reads 48 kHz regardless, that's what the DAC is seeing and you need to fix the playback software.
Sound is pretty good. I'm not sure how to get the DSD to work. Could do with more instructions on this thing. What do the bottom 4 LEDs indicate? 2x, 4x, 8x?? I'm guessing that the 3D meant awsomification thingy. No matter the file I use (including 96khz) the center light is the only one lit on the top 3 LED. What gives? isn't that 48Khz? Is that the maximum quality that the unit can indicate other than DSD?
DeathbyMusic
The bottom 4 LEDs indicate:
3D: not used in firmware 1.5 2x: 2x48=96kHz 4x: 4x48=192kHz 8x: 8x48=384kHz.
I also received 2 boxes but one was shrink wrapped while the other wasn't.
Not sure why they sent me 2
What is the difference between two ports on GO 450?
Not sure what's up with usps, item shipped on 26th, supposed to be delivered yesterday, and my mailed been delivered today, but don't see it. I'm about to call them up. Sigh... Thought I be getting it early I guess not.
My geek out 450 arrived and sounds awesome. Big upgrade vs my previous dac. Had newest 1v5 firmware already installed.. no volume resets when I reboot my pc
Hi, it also happened to me that two parcels with the same shipping label were sent to my address.
I only got the single unit I ordered, so it isn't everyone.
Also - my unit had firmware 1.5 preloaded. No need to fiddle with drivers, regardless of platform! If your unit's identifier ends with "1V5" you've already got the update. You can test this, too - press the side buttons, one after another. If you get one set of 3 lights followed by a set of 2 lights, then you have firmware 1.5 - their function changed in the update.
Those lights are the digital filter modes, as follows
* 3 lights - TCM (time coherence mode), minimizes pre-ringing at the expense of post-ringing. * 2 lights - FRM, which is a typical symmetric FIR-type design with better overall measurements but a low level of pre-ringing.
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The Pulse is doing digital signal processing (DSP) operations. When converting a signal from a discrete, sampled representation - e.g., a digital audio file - to a continuous-time analog representation, a filter is required.
That filter can have different behavior. The "normal" filters used for a very long time are all finite impulse response, or FIR, filters. FIR filters are easy to constrain to linear-phase and they have no feedback, so they are more friendly to implement in limited-precision microprocessors.
The filter's shape is what we're talking about. FIR filters are symmetric. For each tone, you can plot the intensity of that tone around where it should be in TIME. By far the highest component is at time zero, but FIR filters have small lobes on either side of the main impulse. These lobes are what we refer to when we talk about "ringing," and for an FIR filter they are symmetric in TIME. That means BEFORE the actual transient hits, FIR filters actually tip it with a low level ringing. The ringing is at a very low relative volume, but some claim it's audible. Some even claim it's the main reason conventional DACs sound "harsh" and "digital."
For a long time this discussion was academic. No chips were up to implementing alternate designs. That changed in the last few years. Now it's possible to design a different type of filter which minimizes all lobes before the main one. This is what the TCM filter does. However, there is a trade-off (you can't get something for nothing) - the post-ringing gets larger, and it gets larger by a higher-than-proportional amount.
Ergo, the TCM filter doesn't measure quite as well as the FRM filter. But a lot of people feel it cleans up the signal so much that it sounds better.
JDWarner
Thank you for such detailed explanation. That helps a lot!
I should add that as a Mac person, I'm having the same firmware issues. : /
So despite returning the extra unit, this one unit is not quite usable for me. Oh well.
Oh my gosh, the same thing happened with me! I messaged Massdrop a few hours ago about the extra unit, and they sent me a link to a shipping label. I'm so surprised that the USPS delivered two boxes with the exact same delivery confirmation code! I'm now wondering if this happened with everyone!
(A copy of a message to Customer service. Anyone have a similar experience. By he way Massdrop customer service has been exemplary. - truly great. ) -
Hello friends. Today two boxes containing two identical (I think) Geek Out 450s arrived at our post office. Since we had ordered only one Geek Out, we had the post office return the second package to you since we believed that it was sent in error, as it bore the same shipping label and there was postage due on this second box. Please watch for this unscheduled return.
Then, on second thought, I wondered whether you had sent along two separate units deliberately, perhaps because of the complexities related to the new firmware version 1.5 and its requirement to be installed first on a Windows machine before using it on a MacBook Pro; that perhaps this 2nd unit had a Geek Out beta version of the Mac OS X1.5 firmware already installed . As unlikely as this is, I am writing simply to let you know that I did not think of this in time, and never examined the contents of the box.
If the 2nd was a simple oversight, printing two shipping labels, than you will receive this unit back soon. If it was a special GO with Mac Firmware 1.5, the please excuse my hasty return, and ship it back to e.
Many thanks, and keep up the great work.
Lorin
I'm having a horrible time trying to get mine to consistently work without the loud static noise it creates. Tried it on my MacBook Pro and my Windows desktop, it almost always is noisy. Got it to work a little better on my Mac though, don't know what more I can do though, may have to sell mine.
FIVETWENTYRANCHBRO
I had the same issue. I realized it was defaulting to 384Khz output. For the mac, use Audio MIDI Setup -> select the Geek Out HD Audio 1V5 output device and make sure the format is set to the correct output of the audio e.g. if not using high res audio format select 44100.00 Hz. You can use Spotlight search and enter midi to get Audio MIDI Setup.
garrettwp
This worked perfectly for me! Thanks so much!
While it was estimated to be delivered on Monday, it was shockingly sweet to find it in the mailbox today! I hope every single one of us enjoy the quality of GO450 as much as I do. Be sure to read the manual to familiarize with updated features & install Windows driver. TCM mode (convex button) seem to provide best audio quality. The latest firmware seem to be already loaded (indicated by 1V5), but feel free to update it just to make sure.
DataLighter
The tracking says it was delivered today but there was nothing in my mailbox! :( I'll ask my neighbors if they got it by mistake in the morning. Yeah, everyone should know this comes with the new firmware, the volume up down buttons only change the filter from TCM(default) to FRM. Also you have to set up your music player to bypass the windows mixer and use wasapi or asio if you don't want all music resampled by windows automatically to whatever you have the default set to(44.1KHz) usually. Also the 3d awesomeifier function was removed in this firmware to free up dsp cycles for the better filters.
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Yup, mine shipped also
Hi, friends. I have been in touch with Light Harmonic about installing the new firmware version 1.5 on the Geek Out on a Mac computer. it is an important upgrade since it corrects some potentially serious problems (volume spikes for instance). They confirmed that at the moment it is not possible to install this firmware from a Mac, but that one will need a Windows machine to do it. There was no "ET A" for the Mac firmware 1.5. It wasn't clear wh aether one could use Windows running on a Mac using Parallels or Boot camp. Interesting, and unusual? Any ideas? It's great to be a member of this group.
Lorin
Lorinh
Completely possible running Boot Camp - that method has Windows running on the bare metal. It's a full dual boot, not virtualized.
Parallels - not as certain. That's a virtual machine running in a box, inside OSX. Success or failure depends on how they implemented their USB driver interface. As "failure" in this case could mean bricking your DAC, frankly, I wouldn't try it.
JDWarner
Can confirm that Boot Camp on Mac works for a firmware install as I've done it myself.
Mine shipped too! tracking # listed under transactions.. can't wait to receive it
Just got an email from Massdrop saying my Geek Out 450 shipped... 4 days ago! Sneaky, sneaky.
nat.ken.cole
That's exactly what I like. Some businesses told me they shipped my item, and then four days later my item just left their location.
I want this thing nooooooowww! when will it ship!!!?
this is a very good device. I own the geek1000 and it is stellar. Shipping.....Well we will see. LHLABS is soooooo swamped with shipping.
Just to be sure, the final price was $129.00? Got an email his morning where it sounded like we were still trying for the best price. Please clarify. Anyone? Many thanks
Lorinh
No worries, the final price was indeed $129. It should be exactly same as you were charged when you joined.