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Massdrop x Grace Design m9XX DAC/Amp

Massdrop x Grace Design m9XX DAC/Amp

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I bought this product during the original drop, and out of curiosity was browsing Grace's website today, where I learned that there is a firmware update for the m9xx. I'm a Mac user, and the site states that the DFU for Mac is "Not Available".... is there such a thing as a firmware update tool for Mac that allows one to update the firmware of any device connected to the Mac? Thanks for any help.
Kind of new to hifi audio. Would this be a good match for the HD58Xs?
How high of an impendance does this support
DogGuy
old old old thread but... I bought new speakers, vanatoo zero's, which are USB based. When I connect the Grace m9xx they cut out. I have been unable to figure out a config where both the speakers and the m9xx's work. Suggestions?
Why is this on sale for the same price on Amazon right now? It doesn’t have the collaborated with mass drop description though.
WILLxLOVE
Grace created their own standalone version that is exactly the same except for one added input on the back, an S/PDIF coax.
Does this pair with Nintendo Switch via USB?
I have a pair of hd6xx hifiman 4xx and Denon thx00 and about to buy massdrop plus iems.... and the question is this or the smsl panda stack. Any thoughts? Also on amazon the grace m900 is 499 as well with an extra input. Am I missing something about this?
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Man but the panda stack is so pretty and at $300...but Ye I saw all the reviews on the nfb11. Wonder how it does with iems tho..he never mentioned that. Specs say output impedance 2ohms which is very high
JustmeAL
I tried few IEMs with my unit. Nothing crazy expensive. I had 4 driver Trinity IEM for about 200 and few less expensive units. Zero noise. Everything seemed fine. But I have not done too much listening with IEMS.
I have two questions. #1 Are the RCAs on the back outputs or inputs?
#2 Has anyone used this with an Android source? I know I tried the M920 and couldn't get it to work with my NVidia Shield Android TV box.
Tuckers
#1 They are outputs. I currently use it as an external DAC with the CTH. #2 Haven't tried it.
I got a question for the guys who tried it all. If I want a dac/amp set (idrc if It is a combo or separate units) for both listening to the music yet being able to have surround sound in games. I must note, I listen to my Sennheiser hd8-djs, and I love their bassey note. Till now I used Asus' Xonar, but it stopped working.
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The xDuoo XD-05, currently available as a drop, is one that I enjoy using for Movie watching and also Music from time to time. The softer dialog often present in movies is delivered better through the XD-05 than it is through my pricier DAC/Amps and the movie soundtracks are given premium treatment. The AK-4490 chip isn't as strong of a selling point as the complete silence the amp produces when it's expected. For $159 you're not putting much at risk to try it. If you don't like it just sell it online for a minimal loss. I don't play computer games but if I did I would look more to something dedicated to gaming because of the multi-channel audio effects.
This is a superb deal. If I didn't own one already, I would buy it at the asking price. https://www.head-fi.org/threads/fs-xduoo-xd-05-all-black-model.886736/
I would've jumped on one if the price was discounted. This is the same exact price as a brand new one.
Hey Everyone, These units are the last few that we had in the warehouse, if you want one from us- these are it...
With a $300 budget should I get these lightly used or an NFB-11?
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I been through a few already and personally I think m9XX is a worthy unit. But I could not drop 5 bills on it back in a day and perfectly understand. I think it is slightly overpriced for what it is. They should of priced it a hair under 400 and that would of been a huge success. Also now it is probably time to update it as that device is a few years old. Maybe better display and and feature or two...
ld100
It seems a lot for it, $300 would be a reasonable price.
Is this any better spec wise from offerings by B&H? Looks exactly same with same price. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1343146-REG
andypak01
The B&H model m900 has an additional s/pdif digital input which supports up to 192 kHz. The m9xx has TosLink support up to 96 kHz.
KC-130
seems like the b&h m900 is better for the same price then... Personally own the m9xx from couple years ago and while I like it (use it for work), the s/pdif rca input would be nice. A number of my portable daps can output to a s/pdif rca but not to a toslink.
Back at the same price? Should be discounted by now.
Wow... total design rip-off anyone??
http://www.schiit.com/products/fulla-2
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I dont think its a rip off. Both are great designs but with their differences
Anyway if some rips off a $99 product, they would do it for less than that, not $499
SStas
Interesting, to me the Grace looks much better. The Idea is old and have seen many others that takes the Basic Idea of this (Jack on the Frond, Curved Aluminum top and Vol control on top. Are you even sure The Schiit existed before the Grace? I'm too lazy to do the proper research but it's not a Given, I've seen this Grace popping for 2-3 years, don't know about the Schiit but certainly Grace have been in the Business longer than Schiit. (not assuming anything, don't know who came first) You put 2 cellphones side by side of any brand they will look very similar. This is about a Desktop DaC with just one wheel controller. In term of ergonomics a lot of the design is just asked for
Where's the discount..? Isn't that the whole point of this website? It's weird to see pro audio equipment on here for no real difference in price. You guys don't have to saturate every category with stuff, I feel like this drop and ones like it are massdrop trying to appeal to all audiences, but at the cost of offering a genuinely good deal. Just my two cents
altstrix
And you lose the shipping and return policy you get if you buy it off of Amazon for the same price.
The price is nothing special. I can find the same exact thing on Sweetwater, B&H and Vintageking. And really, for a company with the pedigree of Grace Design the USB powering thing is pretty ghetto. How hard is it to use a Meanwell line lump supply? USB powering just introduces all sorts of potential nastiness. From computer conflicts to ground loops. I really don't care what the copy says about 5 stage noise filtering. No noise suppression is better than not having to contend with noise in the first place. That all said, it's a good entre to their brand. The next level up from this would set you back a few grand.
Calaverasgrande
Ghetto what? USB power supplies are fine in many instances. Not all computers generate noise, not all electrical installations have a ground loop. I use USB to power my dac/amp because it’s much more convenient given the way my living room is set up, and don’t suffer from any adverse effect. It’s not because using an ugly, heavy wall wart is “hard” (...). There’s the option for separate supply here anyway so it’s a moot point.
SamsaraT
USB power supplies are fine for my Alexa devices or other uses where audio is not job one. And maybe if you only use good USB power banks it won't mess with the sound. But I've seen numerous instances of funky sound issues caused by USB ground being tied to the PC chassis ground. And carrying over all kinds of noise artifacts. When the ground has noisy voltages, that affects whatever is using ground as a reference. Sure there are virtual ground amps and noise filtering. But you are always going to have a more pleasant ride if you started with less noise to begin with! As far as convenience, this is a $500 headphone amp built like a tank. It's not convenient. I have a suspicion the USB power is to avoid a layer of consumer electronics certification. It has no internal mains power supply so it would be exempted from several that I know of.
Same price as a Jotunheim?!!! ‘Splain me that!
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RayF
I’d never consider buying a Schiit amp, considering the stunts they pulled. https://nwavguy.blogspot.com/2011/07/banned-at-head-fi.html I suppose, to their credit, their branding is truth in advertising.
Grace Design on the other hand, is a respected firm that sells to pro audio engineers, not snake-oil hipster-fanboys.
As others pointed out, the m900 available at B&H makes more sense. I myself had to buy a DAC-amp recently and got a new-old-stock Fostex HP-A8 mk I for $100 more than this.
fazalmajid
That was a seven-year old story, still, until these products become mainstream (readily available in local stores, reviewed by more reliable magazines/websites), we’re all somewhat vulnerable.
Can both inputs be used simultaneously? Also what are the differences between this and the m900 that goes for the same price outside of Massdrop?
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So what's the point of this drop lol
excalibruh
I guess....this is for someone who is a big fan of Massdrop and don't mind loosing Coax input
I've been experiencing hiss playing music from spotify, using HD6XX. When I pause the music on the spotify app from my pc, I can clearly hear hisssss. When I hit the muse bottom on the grace the hiss stooped. Is the the norm? @Michael_Grace
Hi, I have one of these units, bought on Massdrop. I'm really quite annoyed because it keeps crashing on me. I thought I'd upgrade the firmware to see if this makes a differnce, but the unit consistently shows two DFU devices:
Found Runtime: [20b1:306a] ver=0102, devnum=8, cfg=1, intf=2, path="20-2", alt=0, name="Grace Design DFU", serial="UNKNOWN" Found Runtime: [20b1:306a] ver=0102, devnum=8, cfg=1, intf=2, path="20-2", alt=0, name="Grace Design DFU", serial="UNKNOWN"
The problem is that they're exactly identical and there's no way to disambiguate them:
dfu-util: More than one DFU capable USB device found! Try `--list' and specify the serial number or disconnect all but one device
I tried: - On a recent macOS box (with Homebrew build of dfu-util) - On a Linux desktop (with Ubuntu build of dfu-util, and building from source as well) - Unplugging all other devices
I seem unable to upgrade my firmware. Is there anything else I can try? I'm out of options.
m9XX or Jotunheim for gaming/music? (Mostly gaming, listening to music while doing some productivity work on PC)
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born2relax
Single ended headphones only ? m9XX or m900 makes sense. Its compact, runs off USB, has a display, volume knob doubles as mute, perfect volume tracking at low volumes, super clean/neutral DAC/amp combo.
Need balanced/more power/something big/silver colored unit/Schiit logo ? then Jot
born2relax
Blaster z for gaming.
Grace Design m9XX now does DSD256! Download the firmware here: http://www.gracedesign.com/support/support.htm
I have an m9xx in like new condition. Massdrop/Grace Design M9xx Dac/Amp https://imgur.com/gallery/pNbWY Hi, I'm willing to sell mine. You can email me at nava4lava@gmail.com or message me on Reddit /u/nava4lava I'm looking for $375.
Navalava
I am interested but for a better price...
Navalava
Did you sell yours yet?
I'm interested in buying one of these secondhand if anyone is interested in selling theirs
Jonman
Hi, I'm willing to sell mine. You can email me at nava4lava@gmail.com or message me on Reddit /u/nava4lava I'm looking for $375.
I'd like to sell mine. Let me know if anyone is interested.
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$450
bloodflower
I am going to have to pass I don't have that much and bills to pay. Thank you for the offer.
How long is the warranty? No sound is coming out from mine :(
Why have one of these things? Like what do they do besides control your volume?
RazorWolf734
LOL
@massdrop Can I hook the jbl lsr305 to the grace m9xx? If so how? If anyone care to common, please jump in.
Thanks
qu11355
Yes! I use this with Yamaha HS-8 powered monitors.
Using the F4 setting, the sound imaging is very good for this price point. Take your time with speaker placement. When you find the sweet spot, you will be impressed.
After 5 months use, Still elegant design, neutral sound like o2, excellent tonal balance, very delicate and unobtrusive volume control, Excellent staging, but the density of the sound is a little sad. It can be satisfied with a very simple and neat combination. I do not feel like $ 500 is expensive because it sounds good, and it's heavily built.
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