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Kinesis Freestyle Edge Split Mechanical Keyboard

Kinesis Freestyle Edge Split Mechanical Keyboard

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There is a version of this available on another site that has the new Cherry MX Silver keys. I would love for this drop to come back around and offer that option.
This keyboard is amazing. I've tried so many different layouts and the Kinesis Edge is by far my favorite. I managed to upgrade the keycaps with an extensive set of ABS keycaps. Some of the keys are a little too small but I still strongly prefer my textured, upgraded keycaps.
I just wish the switches could be swapped. This keyboard would be perfect if I could install my novelkeys BOX royals on the letter keys and Imput Club Hakos for the function keys (ctrl, alt, etc). Detachable cables would also be a big plus. I'm not sure what the case is made of, but metal or glass fiber reinforced plastic would be awesome.
I just took a razor blade to my Kinesis and the plastic has no glass fiber.
Tyler12
From whom are you sourcing your custom keycaps? What models/parts did you find that are textured, and backlit?
Tyler12
Sorry to keep bothering you, but I'm very interested in better keycaps. Assuming the included keys are of the same quality as the Freestyle Pro, I'm going to hate them.
Anyone know what profile (R1-R4) the left side Macro 1-8, Fn and Settings keys are? How about the F-key row? Are they R4? What about the Escape key? Caps Lock? Is the modifier row R1?
I want to order custom keys for Mac and other custom labels (F-13-15, Hyper, Meh, Eject, more); I can't find any details on the Kinesis site.
Frederico
Sorry for the slow reply. All keys on the Edge are Home Row/Row C profile.
how is this compared to the Kinesis Advantage 2? or is it comparing apples and oranges?
dunno282
Too late for this drop but will leave this comment for future reference. It's tough to beat the Advantage2 for pure typing comfort because of its concavity and thumb keys. Those are game-changer features and once you've gotten up to speed (1-3 weeks) you won't want want to ever use a flat board again. Having said that, not everyone wants to learn a new keyboard so the Edge gives you the ability to split, splay, and tent to achieve the optimal ergonomic position for typing, all with a familiar layout. Both have Cherry MX keys and the same SmartSet Programming Engine (with subtle variations). Can't go wrong with either!
Has anyone used both this and the Ergodox? How do they compare?
maillard
I prefer the Kinesis
Just occurred to me to ask, given how many keyboard experts are here, if I’m in love with Alps White SKFS switches for 23 years, which Cherry would you suggest?
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The blues are going to take a little bit more force than browns and a little bit more travel distance. So if you don't mind the clicking, that might be the better choice for you since you want to avoid accidental keystrokes.
The good thing about the o-rings is that they aren't that expensive. So if you don't like them you can just remove them (check ebay and wasdkeyboards.com). I have tried o-rings in the past. I tried both a softer weight and a harder one. The softer ones make things feel mushy to me, so I immediately removed them. If you have sensitive hands they might help lessen the blow if you are a hard typist. I did like the harder o-rings on my keyboard with linear switches. I have never tried them on one of my keyboards with a tactile switch. There's so much involved with keyboards that depend on personal preference that it can be really difficult to dig through and choose one. In terms of this drop for you I would go with blues based on your descriptions (as long as you don't mind them being loud!).
If you wanted to experiment even more (and for a lot more money and possible headache with learning a new keyboard layout) you could even look at something like the ergodox-ez.com and use an even heavier switch with more tactility. They even support the ability for you to remove the switch and swap them with a different one. You're going to pay a lot more though and the keyboard layout it different. Personally I'm actually saving up for one of those after feeling the awesomeness of split keyboards with this one.
Just giving you some options completely based on my opinions... hopefully I'm not making things worse, lol. I do highly recommend this Kinesis Edge. It's awesome!
krio
I've looked at the Dox a few times, and it is definitely intriguing; the price is definitely up there, too, but not really a concern since it's specifically to extend what is left of my health. I just am not certain about the key layout; it's gotten some pretty controversial reviews. And even though it's programmable, I'm somewhat nervous; learning anything new at my age with very real cognitive degeneration already occuring is my biggest concern. I could just spend $175-$225 for another AA, but that kinda irks me to pay that much for a used ADB board with no warranty (new, I'd jump on it). I should've snagged one or two a couple years ago when they were available nearly every day for ~$50, but I've been able to just fully disassemble any key switch and clean it over the years -- until now; the springs have just become too weak on most of the vowels and common consonants; Shift and Return are also very weak. Twenty three years is pretty good for a board that sees 120-130WPM day in and day out, I'd say. Major kudos to both Apple and Alps.
All I know for sure is I absolutely need a split board. Tenting and tilt is a bonus (I've previously hacked an AA to do just that; it was pretty good, but not critical).
I really appreciate your feedback and advice; I'm still waffling 'twixt Blue and Brown, but I've got two days to make the call. Worse case, I hate it and lose some money on eBay learning what I should've researched in advance by ordering test switches or easily returnable boards. I wish I'd seen this drop even a week earlier. Doh.
Cheers
Frederico
So, if I read this thread carefully, this Freestyle Edge is essentially identical to the Freestyle Pro, except that it has LEDs, a set of backlit gaming keycaps, included palm rests, and your choice of Cherry switches if you don't like the Brown; in addition, it does not include Mac keycaps (presumeably because they've not yet made backlit versions).
Thus, if I'm a Mac owner, this keyboard, at this price, especially if I snag accessories, is a serious bargain; with the caveat I will have to seek out custom Mac backlit keycaps, and I might want to swap out more than just the Windows keys; and I might not like the high-profile, cheaper ABS feel of these key caps; correct?
(My Apple Adjustable ADB (split/ergo) from 1995 is finally giving up the ghost; I'm loathe to learn a new key pattern at my advanced age, but even a used board in good condition is probably silly at this point. From limited testing, the Cherry Brown has a comparable stroke and feel to that era of Apple keys.)
Frederico
Braided cables on the Edge would be the only other difference.
Hi guys,
Here is a quick run-down of the accessories because there is always some confusion.
Palm Supports = Hard Plastic that clips into the bottom of the keyboard (detachable). These are included with every Freestyle Edge in the box. Palm Pads = Soft cushioned foam pads that stick (removably) to the clip-in Palm Supports. These are extra. Designed to last for about 6 months, replace when they get scuzzy:). Lift Kit = 5/10/15 degree Tenting accessory that is only compatible when Palm Supports are ATTACHED. V3 Pro Kit = 5/10/15 degree Tenting accessory that is only compatible when Palm Supports are DETACHED.
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I think they still sell palm supports separately for the other model. So you can buy just palm supports if you don’t want to tent, tenting support for use without palm supports, or a kit for tenting with palm supports. 🤷‍♂️I can see why they just included the supports with the edge, simplifies the conversation a lot.
Thats a very good question! The" VIP3 Pro" kit is a bundle designed specifically for the Freestyle Pro (non-backlit version of the Edge that does not come with the Palm Supports).
VIP3 Pro: 1) Palm Supports 2) Lift Kit (aka v-"lifters") 3) Palm Pads
Edge purchasers would not the VIP3 because you'd have two sets of Palm Supports.
Are extra palm pads compatible with Lift kit or it's either one or another?
vishnyakov.pavel
You have the v3 pro or the tent kit. The tent kit includes the rests. I am pretty sure the v3 pro won't work with the palm rests looking at their direct site for it.
vishnyakov.pavel
The palm pads adhere to the PALM SUPPORTS. The Lift kit ONLY works with the PALM SUPPORTS. The V3 Pro Kit ONLY works WITHOUT the palm support.
I have this board and use it as my daily driver for work and also while gaming. Here are the pros and cons to it that come to mind while typing (not a full review).
It's very programmable. Full macro suite built in. Software doesn't require install. Just press a button on the keyboard. The combination of it being split, plus the tenting kit you can optionally buy make it the only keyboard I've ever really thought was comfortable. I keep the two pieces together, but angle them out a bit with a very high tent.
Keycaps are abs. I've swapped the keys on the majority of the board to PBT, but I don't know what I'm going to do about the spacebars. I don't even know what size they are. 3.25U??? It's not just that they are abs, it's also the profile. I could've got used to them, but just decided to swap since I don't like abs anyways. Only blue backlighting and only 3 switches to choose. I wonder how difficult a switch swap would be for this? The USB cables are thick and don't have much flex.
I love this keyboard. I have a few duckys, pok3rs and coolermasters that I don't use anymore. My next keyboard must have a split design and tenting after using this.
krio
I bought this on a previous drop and I agree with the above completely. The spacebars are 3.5U and I haven't seen compatible ones either. Maybe someday someone will have them. . It's great overall and it's my daily driver at the office. I have a couple tiny issues in addition to the weird keycap sizes. the case feels light and cheap with some sharp feeling edges (e.g. where the palm rests attach). Also, it would be better if it had detachable cables and a USB port or two.
It replaced a Matias Ergo Pro. I preferred the feel of the Matias, but it had keychatter issues and was out of warranty. The Kinesis is much more programmable than the Matias, which is useful. E.g. macro 1 types "$PWD" and I've replaced the right spacebar with "backspace" as the normal key, and it brings up Spotlight when I hit alt-space. It took a couple weeks to get used to the fact that the right edge of the Kinesis is home/end/pgup/pgdn while the Matias is backspace/backslash/enter/shift. The moved 6 key didn't affect me at all.
Price should be shown as marked down from $199 as it seems to always be $199 when I look on amazon.
Retina
The retail price direct from manufacturer is 219.99
Question for folks who already have this keyboard: Can I with ease map the right shift key and the up key combo to a NOP (no key pressed)? I've had issues with earlier Kinesis keyboards with their abbreviated right shift key and accidently hitting it with the right shift key at the same time, selecting and overwriting a line of text.
Amazon (for US customers) currently has this keyboard ($199) + pads + lift kit for $237 total. Massdrop's price for 5+ people is like getting the pads and lift kit for free compared to Amazon's price. :^)
FreakyFred
Yep, that's a simple macro where Right Shift and Up arrow are the trigger and the output is "null". Can program it onboard in 5 seconds!
Kinesis
Right on Kinesis, thanks for the info! "Customizable" has to be one of my favorite words in the English language. ;-) In for one now!
Sharing my experience: I bought this on Amazon a year or so ago, along with all the accessories. The onboard software is baller, and the keyboard as a whole is really nice and comfortable. I only returned it because of the blue LED backlighting, which can't be switched to a different color. I didn't get far enough into it to tinker with keycaps though; in fact, I'm not sure they're even swappable.
user73
They are. Normal cherry MX stem compatible. Some of the keycap sizes are bit different though.
Loving this keyboard, anyone know where we can get a PBT keycap set for these?
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Please follow-up and report if the "oddbars" 3U space bars work with the Edge.
Aphoid
Unfortunately I won't be receiving the "oddbars" for a while. They're not shipping until Nov 6th. I also don't have access to an Edge anymore since the guy who had it has since sold it off. Sorry!
I'm an infrequent drop-joiner but I browse drops and read their discussion pages on the regular, so I know how long the waits are for a lot of products. That said, would this drop hurry up already?!! ;-)
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That was a nice surprise - when Massdrop initially emailed to say there was a delay, I was expecting another month. Phew!
FitzG
Mine shipped around a week ago but DHL reports it is currently somewhere in Germany... Why? I ordered from South America! What a weird delivery route.
Appreciate some guidance on hopefully basic issues, tia. I’m not a programmer or gamer, it’s just for writing regular text. Is it easy to remap keys to eg workman layout. And I’m about to get an Apple mini (yep I know) so wonder if anyone has had any compatibility issues, and do Mac caps come with the board. I was kind of set on ergodox, I see some comments here but interested if anyone else has experience with both boards. Cheers :)
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Mushka
Have had no compatibility issues with a 2015MBP. Modifier keys have all been moved around, I don't look at the symbols much.
You can remap to any keyboard layout you want trivially. For me however, remapping to Colemak on the keyboard itself wasn't enough as the default US layout on my Mac did not have the accent characters I want (Norwegian) — and the board only lets you remap whole keys, you cannot individually remap the accent keys (ROpt + key, or AltGr + key). I am fine with that. It's remapping of the modifier keys that is important to me.
Goddesen
Oh thank you! That’s very helpful.
Love this keyboard. But moving form Freestyle2, the delete key is too small and easy to miss.
garychen
Remap it!
Can anybody clarify if the space bars are two distinct keys? I see LSPC and RSPC as tokens in the manual, but another page in the manual only lists SPC as a token.
I sure hope the former is correct. Having the left spacebar as backspace has been a game changer for me.
Wolfgang_Bach
Yes, they are different keys. And you can remap them to different keys separately.
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I managed to score the Cherry MX Brown version during the Kickstarter and I've been very pleased with my purchase. I find a 10° tent from the lift kit substantially more comfortable than my old flat board, especially for WASD games. The only thing I would've preferred is detachable cables, so I could customize the length of the link cable and replace either if they ever fail.
Does the app need to be running for the keyboard macros to work, or only when you program them? I'd like to use the keyboard at work, however my work PC will not allow me to run outside programs. Can I program it at home and then attach at work and still have it function?
dfas
The program does not need to be running. If you need to make changes at work, the config files are simple text files that can be changed by any editor.
does the keyboard support the iso keyboard layout (when i use other keycaps)? will you release other versions with differnt keyboard layout (for example a german keyboard verison)?
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gluix
Most of the keys are iso layout key caps, but the Esc, modifier keys, left shift, space bars are different. The left side ctrl, win, alt and right alt are compatible with Corsair keycaps. But the Esc(2x), right ctrl(1.75x), right shift(1.75x), both space bars(3.5x) are not compatible with any other keyboards. However, the 3x space bar from Filco Minila can be mounted but a little shorter.
garychen
Thank you man. Very usefull infos :)
@Kinesis will the Advantage 2 ever be available on Massdrop again?
Regus
Perhaps later this year.
Is there a reason, other than price, that I would get the V3 Pro Lift Kit rather than the Lift Kit with Palm supports?
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Sorry we missed this before the drop ended, hopefully you got it figured out. For future reference, Palm "Supports" = Hard Plastic and are included but detachable. Palm "Pads" = cushioned foam that adhere to the Supports for an extra layer of comfort. The Pads are designed to be replaced every 6-12 months when they get scuzzy but are totally optional.
Kinesis
Thanks for getting back! I was able to figure out the difference after checking your website, just didn't immediately disambiguate the pads/supports distinction on the massdrop page. I joined the drop almost as soon as I did glom onto it, though!
I have the Advantage and its pretty dope.
Wow great
Having used this for 2 months now, I am very pleased with the design and construction, with comfortable yet solid typing , and I can set macro as I like it to be, even for KVM switching without problem . I would, however, complain about the sharp edges of casing which really can cut skin and I have to smoothed them a bit with sand papers. The link cable is also a bit too long for me...hope it was retractable or replaceable with shorter one.
I see comments and the description saying this is programmable, but I just want to verify. The left cluster of macro buttons are completely programmable? I'd like to use it for work and maybe set it as a Numpad.
andyrgee
Not only macro buttons, but all the keys are programmable.
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andyrgee
Yep! Every one of the 95 full-size keys can be re-programmed to support 2 different actions (mouse clicks, keyboard actions or macros) per layout- top layer and embedded Fn layer.
Our preferred solution for a numpad is to use the SmartSet App to create a numpad on the right or left side (Remap>Special Actions>Numeric Keypad).
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Power users enjoy assigning the Fn action (either momentary or toggle via the App) to the extra space bar so you can move in and out of the embedded layer without ever leaving the home row.
Kinesis should get in touch with Massdrop so that they can implement the keyswitch swapping feature from the CRTL. I *really* want to be able to have a keyboard like this, but with MX Green or Kaihua Box Navy switches.
Glad to see this famous board offered here. BUT right now I'm holding out for the Ultimate Hacking Keyboard. Or something else around 60% size and programmable.
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In that case you're looking for the Matias Ergo Pro.
I'll be getting my UHK in September. (Hopefully)
Still couldn't resist this one for the price...
tempted to buy this but I much rather have the Advantage. i kinda worry that they'll drop the advantage 2 soon. that's an instant buy for me.