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Kizer Ki4456A1 River Cat Frame Lock Knife
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Kizer Ki4456A1 River Cat Frame Lock Knife
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A collaboration between Kizer and Tom Strokes, the River Cat is unmistakable. The first reason? Read More
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Axeguy
1372
May 4, 2018
You, Sir, are correct... Large pockets! And many of them! FDC...Final Day Carry! ;)
M--k
70
Feb 20, 2018
Interesting. I joined the previous drop and mine definitely has the insert. And the insert also has an integral tab to function as the stopbar.
M--k
70
May 4, 2018
The 'closed' detent is pretty strong . It has worn in a little over repeated use, but compared to my Urban Trappers for instance, it takes a firm finger flip or thumb flick to deploy. I wouldn't say it is too strong, but I have to want to open it. I don't anticipate many accidental openings. I don't think I can gravity-flip it open. Both my RiverCat and AlterEgo feel about the same for detent. Hope that helps!
Omniseed
1972
May 5, 2018
M--kThat's perfect actually, great description, and happily it sounds like my kind of detent
Jim74
72
Dec 18, 2017
All Kizer knives are made in China.
Some of the finest knives in the world are now made in China.
I own several Kizer and two WE Chinese made knives, they have ALL far exceeded my high expectations.
Do not let geography choose your knives for you, it's a foolish stereotypical practice that will rob you of quality choices!
MyMilkyNipples
7
May 7, 2018
OmniseedI took mine apart and oiled, smoothed the action by playing with the detent and it flips like a dream on both the flipper and stud. If you maintain your knives they are a lot better than from factory.
wordfool
118
May 3, 2018
Thought long and hard about this but in the end I feel like Kizer missed the boat on this one. The machining is awesome and would look fantastic on an otherwise minimalist knife. But Kizer doesn't do minimal, so we get three overly blingy spacer screws, Kizer's trademark overly-blingy pivot screw, a clunky-looking clip that looks like it belongs on a $20 knife, a pretty pointless thumb stud, and Kizer trademark re-curve on the blade -- a re-curve that is so slight you wonder why they bothered yet curvey enough to make it a pain to sharpen.
I've almost pulled the trigger on a lot of Kizer knives, but overall their trademark aesthetic is always just a bit off for me.
I've almost pulled the trigger on a lot of Kizer knives, but overall their trademark aesthetic is always just a bit off for me.
Omniseed
1972
May 5, 2018
fhoodThe Envoy was the one I wanted to see, and it's been discontinued because Kizer is the absolute worst for discontinuing the Envoy. Maybe we'll get Massdrop on the Envoy boat and we'll see a super price on them soon. They were already one of Kizer's least expensive high-end knives, so I am hopeful that a drop would be priced in the $80-90 range.
DougFLA123
1404
Mar 27, 2018
I just received my Kizer Ki4456A1 and it DOES have a lock bar insert! I almost didn’t join the drop because it was advertised as not having one. I’m very I glad I joined this drop. I really like this knife! The blade drops with such ease to close!
AJAugust
353
May 3, 2018
DougFLA123As the photos show, I did not join the previous drop due to lack of insert. I am glad you pointed this out and confirmed that it does. “M—k“ also shows in his photos it has an insert. So, I’m in on this ‘Drop!
Omniseed
1972
Feb 5, 2019
Hilarious, that's exactly what I daydream about when I'm checking out an internal-pinned knife. I'm in your camp, I think it would be a bit better over the years to use a fixed stop pin with a channel in the blade rather than the handle. I think it would probably be easier to have a handle-mounted stop pin replaced to correct age-related wear than to have a blade-mounted pin and handle channel fixed.
Joe88
11
May 5, 2018
How well built and durable are these Kizers? I was not super impressed by my We Knives / Ferrum Forge Falcon. I had to loctite the main pivot to keep the blade from loosening within less than a dozen flips and saw the pivot bolt looked a bit on the wimpy side.
MyMilkyNipples
7
May 7, 2018
Joe88Very good man, Ive had mine for a while and use it for work. It flips awesome and stays together, i havent put anything onto the threads.
Omniseed
1972
Dec 18, 2018
Joe88Nothing wrong with a nicely made framelock that needs threadlocking shortly after you get it. Usually they ship fairly clean so that people who want to modify theirs can do it easily and don't need to worry about stripping any screws held by fresh loctite.
With knives like these, people anodize or carve the scales, refinish the blade, even just take the pivot apart and really swab out any manufacturing detritus when they first get their knife. It is part of this style of knife, whereas a more workmanlike knife will often come with threadlocker applied or even longer lasting grease, because a knife like that doesn't make sense to strip immediately. There's just no reason to go ham on a knife like my Kizer GTi, it's entirely tungsten DLC coated with heavily milled G10 scales and a Ti deep carry clip. I did open the pivot and cleaned off a bit of G10 scraps that were caught between the scale and the pivot screw, threadlocked it, and now it is perfect for the kind of knife it is.
With a knife like the Falcon or this River Cat, you will want to threadlock it and set the pivot to your own preference, so the lack of threadlocker from the factory is a positive aspect and a sign that they are well aware that the people buying their knives are mostly full-on enthusiasts, and they are catering to us.
Vaelys
48
Feb 5, 2019
Might want to spend a bit more effort photoshopping the BladeHQ logo out of the pictures you use...
Considering the changes that have been made to this knife over the history of Kizer producing it I'm holding off on this drop unless MD get photos of the actual model they're trying to sell instead of years old photos from another company.
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Vaelys
48
Feb 6, 2019
Considering that they've changed to having a lockbar insert that these photos don't show, its not.
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