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SuperSandwich
59
May 9, 2017
Beautiful shoe! Having a few Carmina shoes in my rotation I can confirm that the quality is superb and that $350 is a great price.
Massdrop, your nomeclature is wrong. What is pictured is neither a semi-brogue or an Adelaide. It is rather a quarter-brogue balmoral or oxford. A semi brogue has a medallion punched on the captoe, and an Adelaide has an extended vamp which encloses the laces. This shoe has neither.
http://sartorialnotes.com/2015/05/01/a-guide-to-captoe-oxford-shoes/
Brogues:
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And this is an Adelaide (quarter brogue)
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vnmx
2
May 10, 2017
SuperSandwichThanks for pointing this out. The misuse of "adelaide" was bothering me as well. Also, it is not a balmoral as I understand a balmoral to have one continuous piece of leather at the vamp through the quarters and usually meeting at the heel. Effectively, this means an adelaide is a balmoral. This shoe is neither of those - simply an oxford with broguing.
SuperSandwich
59
May 10, 2017
vnmxYou're right , however that distinction applies outside of the US. Balmoral is the US term for the oxford - a shoe with closed lacing, in the U.K. it means what you described. So more precisely, we should describe this shoe as a quarter-brogue oxford with elaborated punching. Massdrop will hopefully correct their terminology or else they will be selling a shoe that does not match its description.
lexx_deleon
6
May 10, 2017
SuperSandwichI think you could simply call this a plain toe, semi-brogue. Since, that's essentially what it is right?
SuperSandwich
59
May 11, 2017
lexx_deleon I believe it is a quarter-brogue, a semi-brogue by definition has a medallion. I posted a picture in my initial post which shows the different classic brogue types.
SuperSandwichHey SuperSandwich,
Thanks for your post! On the semi-brogue vs quarter brogue question, this brogue pattern is what carmina calls a semi brogue. See this product page for a shoe using the same pattern: https://goo.gl/70bN2z
That being said, Carmina also calls this a semi-brogue: https://goo.gl/BDfXca so they're not completly consistent but...
In all of our conversations throughout the course of developing this product, Carmina referred to it as a semi brogue, thus why it's called as such. Carmina doesn't believe in the medallion as a requirement to be called Semi Brogue, so Semi Brogue shall remain.
On the Adelaide side of things, you're spot on. This is how Carmina described the shoe throughout the development process (thus why the title is what it is today), but the Adelaide criteria is fairly straightforward. As such, we're going to drop Adelaide from the title later today.
Thanks for your help with this and thanks for caring enough to post 👍
SuperSandwich
59
May 11, 2017
WillThanks for the clarification! I've dealt with Carmina before on a small scale - various trunk shows, custom orders and such and can attest that they certainly have their own way of doing things (they also have very conscientious customer service) . That said, they can call this make-up whatever they like - I'm still going to join this drop. Bottom line is it's a very versatile style, in fine leathers, by a very reputable shoe maker at a great price! Thanks Massdrop for making this happen.
ChurchillW
423
May 12, 2017
SuperSandwichI don't know that just sounds like a cop out for Americans that don't know how to use the right terminology just like how we bastardized oxfords and use it to refer to any lace up leather shoe.
slaveoflord
12
May 13, 2017
SuperSandwichI'd probably call it a blind (referring to medallion) semi-brogue, a quarter brogue is really just a perforated cap toe with/without medallion