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Mitchell & Johnson MJ2 Headphones

Mitchell & Johnson MJ2 Headphones

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The cable on my MJ 2s now only allows for sound on the left channel. Recently, I noticed the metal sleeve at the jck end sliding, exposing some wiring and now the cable is useless. I have written to Mitchell & Johnson asking for a replacement. Has anyone used an alternative cable, and if so, which and to what effect? I find that the fit is such that the headband does not sit comfortably. My headshape seems to be such that the headphones are too large. If anyone has had this problem have they used an additionl band to pad the gap?
Anybody have a good link for replacement ear pads? The way mine were packaged the right pad is pretty much non-existent right now. Liking them so far but they don't fit quite right for obvious reason.
JacobA
Same thing happened to mine and curious as well
JacobA
Brainwawz pleather
Initial observations: The build quality is surprisingly good. There were some clear economies taken with some of the parts, must notably the thinness of pleather on the headband, but all in all, I’d give it an 8/10. The attention to detail is quite good, and all the parts aligned up very well. I think mine had been sitting in a warehouse for a long time since spotty mold had developed on the inside of the white box. The headphones were fine, but the otherwise nice box case was ruined for use. The zippered case is nice, but is very thin compared to other such cases I’ve seen. I don’t know if it would hold up in a tight backpack. The included cable seems shorter than the typical 1.2m usually found. I’d say a meter without measuring it. The airplane adapter is a better quality version than what is depicted in the Massdrop ad. The sound right out of the box is not good: the trebles are grainy and distorted, the midrange is sucked out, and the bass is light. I expect things to improve with run in time, at least 100 hours. I did listen again about an hour later, and the trebles had already improved, so I have high hopes. Pono > RHA Dacamp (tone controls flat).
I got mine today and while the packaging is pretty nice, the cans are not that great. It seems like they are either b grade or just poorly manufactured. You get what you pay for with this one. Still not bad headphones for $100 but definitely not a premium brand
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peakhunter
Reading the docs they suggest letting them "burn in" for about 100 hours, not sure if that will fix anything for you but maybe do give up on them just yet.
Welp, just got mine this morning and it sounds like there's a loose or damaged driver in the left cup. Get real bad distortion/rattle on low bass notes even at low volume. Other than that it sounds like a more natural tuning than the GL2, which I love, so I'm hoping that CS will take care of me and replace these for me. Wish QC from M&J was a little bit better but what can you expect from cans that can be sold for $99. All in all really excited to actually be able to listen to these. Very similar to the GL2 (considering that they have the exact same driver modules but with different tuning) in the sense that they NEED burn in badly. Sounded like muddled garbage out of the box but much like the GL2s I imagine that they will bloom after around 4-5 days of burn in and will sound great for the price. I'm also very happy to say that, while not great, the pads on these are MUCH less crappy than the pads on the GL2s and I feel like I might not even need to upgrade them. The GL2s pads were absolutely horrible. These most likely would be improved with better pads but they aren't so bad that I feel like I need to run to Dekoni the second I put them on. Edit: Well, unfortunately was not able to get a replacement and will be just returning these for a refund. Was really looking forward to being able to try these out side by side next to the GL2s but it seems that was just not in the cards as they say. I'll be keeping a look out for future drops on these for sure though and still have a pair of JP1s coming in January so I'll have something to compare the GL2s to. Fingers crossed those were QC'd better than these. Edit 2: Just heard back from Mitchell & Johnson directly and was told that “There are no longer any MJ2 units they are now sold out and we will no longer be making them”. Real bummer. Wonder if they’re discontinuing their headphone lines and blowing the stock out. Would explain the crazy low prices. Means I’ll most likely just keep my pair and attempt to fix them considering that a replacement is definitely not happening.
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Fortinbras
Sorry you ran into trouble with your MJ2. Hope it is sorted out soon. The MJ2 are tuned to a little more accurate frequency response. While both the GL2 & MJ2 require break in, they DO NOT have the same driver modules. It doesn't require disassembly to prove this. Look at both earcups under bright light. The GL2 have a clear, dome shaped dynamic driver. The MJ2 has a dark grey opaque cone shaped driver.
Barondla
That’s good info to have! Thanks for sharing. Had read multiple reviews off-site stating they were the same and hadn’t investigated that intensely. Do you know specifically what is different about the driver modules in the MJ2? Is it just a different dynamic driver? I mostly purchased these because I thought they had the same drivers as the GL2s (which I absolutely love now) and am really curious to see how they stack up now knowing they are actually different.
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Well, these surprised me enough that I just had to write a review, I got these on the black friday sale for 99$, but regardless of the price, these are insanely good. I've read many reviews about the mj2 before I posted this here, and some of them said they were okay and some compared to m50x, and some compared to real electrostats (koss, stax, etc.). I personally have heard a couple of stax including the L300 and the SR009, and many high end headphones (stax, focal, hifiman, sennheiser, audeze) through very high end dac/amps, and at one point I purchased my focal clear, the best headphone I've owned. I came to Massdrop on Black Friday and saw this deal, decided to give it a try, right out of the box I was worried that these are going to be another pair of headphones that I'll never pick up again after I purchase them and listen to them a couple times because of the not so luxurious packaging and accessories, and I had my hope up for a good sound at least, plugged into my LG V40. It took me a little of listening to get a good view of the sound, and I thought "Damn these are really damn good for this price, even for the MSRP this is really good but this build and comfort is really killing me..." After realizing how fantastic the bass on this pair is I decided to compare it to my clear, which at first sounded weird compare to the mj2, because the soundstage and comfort are such a drastic change, but I realized that the sound are not as natural as the mj2, while the signature is insanely good with very satisfying detail, it sounded artificial compared to the mj2. Yes the mj2 might not be AS detailed as my clear, which by the way I can not confirm because these are really really detailed even compare to my clear, but at the low end it wins by far because of the perfect balance along the bass frequencies. After comparing to my clear for a couple of songs, I was in a state that I don't know if I should be happy that I bought something that sound as good as my clear for 99$ or should I be sad that I spent 1500$ for a can that sound, well, not even as good half the time. For acoustics, the vocals are extremely natural and filling while might have a tint of tinny in the high frequencies, but there is so little imperfection that it's basically unnoticeable. String instruments including guitar and bass notes have incredible amount of imaging and detail while keeping the smoothness for more natural sound, where as my clear had gotten rid of the smoothness and kept all the detail which made it sound more artificial compare to the mj2s, considerably speaking I wouldn't say that my clear are more detailed it's just less natural. Later I went to a movie soundtrack with really astonishing bass tones and some orchestra notes, the bass extention is very accurate and seperated even compare to my clear which already have some of the best bass I've heard in headphones, which the only one with better bass that I can remember are the LCDs and maybe the k812 pro(exculding the 4000$ cans, utopia, stax sr009, and susvara/he 1000v2). These have extremely clear and accurate bass, not exactly impactful but with eq its achievable. Sound stage wise yes these don't have much soundstage at all, and sound really closed back, but the depth and reverb music instruments creates, these can recreate them perfectly. They're really not so comfortable while I am able to stand it for decent time of listening, and the noise canceling isn't exactly perfect but does not have major leakage problems at very listenable volumes, these are the best headphone I've heard below 600$(or 1500$ not including the 1200$ MSRP ath-w5000 on amazon for 600$ new) I can't believe people compare these to m50x, as someone that owned the m50x for quite some time I can confirm that m50x is NO WHERE close to these. Yea now I'm gonna question my life about this 99$ headphones sounding same level or even better than my 1500$ clear. P.S. This is right out of the box, I did not give it time to break in yet, If it really gets better like every other review that I don't believe in very much says, then I have no idea how good can these escalate to.
Mashiro233
Had a similar experience! Not sure why the bad reviews -- I've been pretty happy with it so far. You have the Focal Clears? I run with HD800 and T1, and while MJ2 isn't as good, it's not that far off either.
topflight05
Yeah my main can is the clear. Personally I've heard the hd800 with high end tubes and Hugo 2 and other solid state dacamps, I find it lacking warmness for me, I figured the mj2 is easy to trick people who are used to large sound stage that these sound bad because they're quite closed sounding, but it does have quite decent depth so the soundstage doesn't bother me as much, while my friend who owns the ath w5000 claims that these sound a lil to dark for him I find the "darkness" more natural sounding than almost everything I've heard, I brought it somewhere last time and compared everything with the mj2 with various amps, ends up the w5000 sounding the best on all acoustic songs, and mj2 gets very close match at acoustic songs, for other genras like edm I'd prefer my clear or the LCDs. The hd800 and 800s was pretty disappointing for me, the he1000 v2 vocals sounded empty and pushed away until I plugged into a hifiman dacamp which still sounded a lil bit better than hd800 which is still quite disappointing compare to the lcds and clear/ w5000. The hd800 does good on certain stuff but the vocals are a let down for me as it lacks fullness and low-end of vocals are not as pronounced as other cans that sound a lot more natural... Just imo no offense to hd800 I'm on the sensitive side to highs so maybe i prefer darker cans, while I'll get older maybe I'll find the hd800 increasing in detail.
It said there was 2 days left on cyber monday? Why did it end?
Bobby_C
They ran out I think, it said 13 left at 3 pm earlier today.
mwoods1664
Dang. Next time then. Thanks!
Darn just missed the drop, I thought the cyber Monday deals were going to be extended, maybe next time.
A-Cunning-linguist
I think it's because they ran out of stock. There were 13 left when I ordered one 6 hours ago.
I am conflicted about this. The price is super low so I kinda want to get them but the bad reviews make me think, are they even worth it at all? What do you guys suggest?
Jeff-D
The reviews here have been iffy, but on the websites that review such products, the reviews have been very favorable. That’s why I went ahead and joined the drop.
Does they come with warranty?
Alex3oL
Massdrop needs to do a better job about identifying whether there is a warranty or not on products. I’ve seen some items without mention of warranty, yet they did come with the manufacturer’s warranty. Then of course there are close out items—the Colorfly C4 Pro comes to mind—where there wasn’t a warranty mentioned, so I asked and learned there wasn’t one.
Joined the drop. I can’t see how this will be a disappointment. Several reviews by the likes of Headphonia, Headfonics, etc, gave these headphones high marks. As long as these are made with the same materials and labor techniques, I should be happy. If not, my 17 year old son, a budding headphile, will be happy to add them to his collection.
Juse checked prices on these in the UK. EBay used> £269 New £309. Curry's £350 Argos £384 So if they are constructed from exactly the same materials, at $99 about £81 even with import duty and shipping it's a steal. Was thinking about getting the ARH-1 But it appears it's the best buy of the year considering the the prices elsewhere, the relative price in dollars would far exceed the recommended retail price of $400 once conversation from the pound is done. I've just kicked myself in the butt suggesting the retail price is just made up, cos so many are these days, however, on this occasion I'm quite glad to say that i got it totally wrong, I'm definitely in on these, fantastic price.
I got the MJ1 on that last drop for $90. They sounded very bad right out of the box. I have about 75 hours burn-in on them now with all kinds of different genres of music. They sound a lot better now, but nowhere near the retail price of $400 that they were asking for. I actually prefer them over my ATH-M50X cans for certain genres.
I wonder since I believe these are sourced from Taiwan whether the build quality and attention to detail is befitting of a typical $500 headphone. I’m tempted to buy a set, especially after some of the reviews I’ve read on the web.
jwbrent
i dont have the MJ2s, but i do have the MJ1s. they are... just okay. nowhere near the fit and finish one might expect from a $500 headphone, with cheap looking metal and wood. sound signature was equally uninspiring, though certainly clean and competent. premium boxing and accessories tend to impress me, but the MJ1s' offerings were a bit disappointing. not awful, but not luxurious. which is about how i would sum up my overall impression of them, if i'm being brutally honest. whether they are worth $100 is subjective, of course, but if something is listed for $400 or $500, i tend to expect a certain level of elegance and refinement and wow factor that, sadly, the MJ1s lack. (again, please note i am making assumptions about the MJ2 based on my experience with the MJ1.)
motod
Understand. I’m hopeful the drop will be the exact same version raved about by several online reviewers. Build quality is an important issue for me, so we’ll have to see come late December ...
i bought the MJ1s on the most recent drop and for the price ($90) they were... okay. sound signature was fine but not great. nothing really stood out as unique, exciting, or energetic. or even clinically neutral, for that matter. build quality was subpar. comfortable, but not luxuriously so. the packaging, accessories, fit and finish were way, WAY off what i was expecting for a supposedly $400 retail headphone, even on super sale. for example, both the wooden cups and the metal rails felt and looked plastic-y and cheap, if that makes sense. (i will say the earpads were quite soft and comfortable, though.) by way of comparison, i also recently bought the master and dynamic MH40, a headphone that actually justifies the $400 price tag. way more energetic, emphasized but clear bass (they aren't studio monitors), great comfort, nice accessory lagniappes, and a gorgeous nearly-completely metal and leather build. granted, i purchased it for half off (so, still twice what i paid for the MJ1s), but i felt like what i got was still a $400 set of cans -- certainly more than double what the MJ1s offer. TLDR: at least for the MJ1s, but i assume also for the MJ2s, there's absolutely no way they should be listed at $400 or $500 retail. that's just completely absurd, in my opinion. whether they are worth the massdrop sale price is up to the listener, of course. fwiw, i'm not *unhappy* with my purchase, but i'm not particularly impressed. all my other massdrop headphone purchases -- HD6XX, HE4XX, 1000XM2, 1moreTripleOver, etc -- have put a smile on my face and some great sounds in my ears. these (the MJ1s) just made me shrug and think 'meh.'
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motod
I took advantage of a half price sale on Amazon for the gun metal/black MH40 and just got it about an hour ago. These guys know how to present their product with the included case and bag and accessories, all exuding a nice level of quality. The MH40 itself is beautifully made. I’m burning them in for the next few days, so we’ll see if the sound is as nice as the presentation. Right now, they sound a bit muted in the trebles, but I imagine they will open up with some play time.
jwbrent
haha, i bought the exact same set of cans over the weekend, also for half off on amazon. and i agree, premium quality through and through. :)
inb4 the huge drop that will make old purchasers salty
Lol these are real electrostats, not those mjs
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damien_chung
For real
Philimon
for real what, you want to buy? go ahead
For potential buyers in Norway, Sweden or Finland. Head over to moetaudio.com, they have these 25% off.
Have a pair of these myself, and they are absolute beasts! Give them about 100-150 hours run in, and they cant be beaten in this pricerange!
I am confused. From reading the specifications it seems there are actually two drivers. One electrostatic, and one 40mm dynamic. So, is this some kind of hybrid or am I missing something?
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Yes it is true that dynamic drivers are slower than electrets/electrostatics. But, they are using the slower dynamic driver to play the bass notes (which are slower). This concept has been used in many home speakers. Check out Martin Logan. The trick, as you mentioned, is to meld the two driver's into a coherent sound. The Mitchel & Johnson do a very good job of this.
The dynamic driver advantage is the amount of impact the bass has. Electrets/electrostats can't move much air in the bass frequencies. Look how panels are built - tightly stretched like a drum head. A dynamic driver can move back and forth much more. The only way for the electret/electrostat to make up for the shortfall, is to use a much larger panel. There are limits for what people will wear on their head.
Most of the electrostatic home speaker manufacturers advertise their hybrid speakers as electrostatic. It is the more expensive tech.
I agree that the Mitchell & Johnson don't sound exactly like $2000 Stax. But, the Stax I've heard are open back. These are closed. The MJ can be enjoyed in noisy environments. That is important since they are designed for listening on the go. enjoyed
No technology or product can do everything. The MJ2 give us a different choice. Just like the hybrid trend of adding balanced armature drivers to dynamic in ear monitors.
The MJ2 are nice sounding headphones. They do require break in. Don't even try to judge them without break in. Even though they are very efficient to drive, not every phone or dap can control the dynamic bass driver. Like most "speakers" they do better with better equipment.
Barondla
I understand what you're saying but there is one bone of contention in that bass frequencies are not necessarily slower as sound travels at the same speed regardless of frequency. However the mass of a driver designed to reproduce bass is usually higher and therefore it reacts, and recovers, much slower. That's why speaker designers who plan to marry a dynamic woofer with a planar or electrostatic mid and tweeter, try to build low frequency drivers that are really rigid, with as low a mass as possible. As a bass player, a Martin Logan owner as well as a Magnepan owner and recording engineer, I know that the bass is not slower. Gale Saunders of ML says he has to cheat a bit in the crossover network, to get his hybrid's woofers to work well with the electrostatic mid/high drivers. On the other hand the Maggies are planar drivers throughout with plenty of bass output due to the larger area devoted to reproducing lower frequencies. Hence the drivers being of the same material, and driven uniformly, are equally as fast and you will hear those parts of the bass frequencies that are anything but slow. In other words, you will hear the detail and definition of the bass notes.
Even standard cone speakers have the problem of differences in the mass of the drivers, the smaller tweeter being quicker reacting than the woofer. Bottom line: any perceived slowness in bass reproduction is more due to reaction time of the higher mass woofer than the actual bass frequencies themselves.
Please try actual electrostatic headphones. Like stax. B4 buying. Cause these doesnt sound anything like electrostats
damien_chung
Just checking...assuming you own the MJ2's and some electrostatic cans (Stax?). If so, it'd be helpful to know which model(s) you own and for you to write up a brief comparison to the MJ2's. Thanks!
Lol. M&J must never had heard electrostatic headphones. These pair are terrible
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I own both.
damien_chung
Oh. I hope you didnt pay a lot for your “electrostatz”. I would be pissed too
I'm new to the world of high-end headphones. What size cable plugs will work with MJ2 and Callio DAC?
My MJ2 is just arrived. For potential buyers outside USA a warning ! You have to pay Custom duties and VAT ! That was a disapointment because my Matrix HPA3B headphone amp. from Massdrop was without Custom duties and VAT. Still an attractive price but not more a steal.
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hhopmann
How much did you have to pay on taxes + customs? I'm from the EU too and doubtful to buy bc of this
itnassti
Hey itnassti. Price headphone was 318,34. I payed for taxes+customs 85,64 eur. In total 404 eur. Succes !
Electret drivers aren't new; Audio-Technica made a pair some years ago, along with an adapter box. Electrets are somewhat higher-mass, so their "transient" behavior isn't quite as good. There are also self-energizing electrostatic headphones (such as the original Koss ESP-6). These might require more power than dynamic 'phones, but not special amplification is needed.
Is there any measurements? I usually look at the ones on Inner Fidelity but he hasn't done it for MJ2.
Measurements = reality.
David Choy of Triton Audio Cables has found the solution for making a balanced cable for these cans, no need to plug the original cable in and out. I had mine made recently.
I would really like clarification from MJ about how the stock cable is wired at the headphone cup. There is no mention on the MJ website about the cable; they don't even state the length of the cable. Massdrop only quotes what the manufacturer tells them and doesn't provide any specs about the cable. The only way I learned that the cable may not be wired in the 'normal' manner on the cup end is thru reading reviews and reading here in this discussion. I sent an email to MJ Sunday night asking for clarification and a wiring diagram but have not received a response. I have some aftermarket cables that I either made or purchased and I would like to know if they will work with the MJ2 when I receive it.
I don't understand what MJ was trying to accomplish with their cable that supposedly allows you to plug the cable into the cups without worrying about which plug is left or right and still have the proper channels connected. Someone said the idea is that you can plug the cable in in the dark and not have to worry that the channels are correct and not possibly reversed. But the phones themselves are labeled L and R, so you would have to be able to see the phones before you put them on to get them properly oriented. So it seems to me you would orient the phones and orient the cables that should also be marked L and R and then you can turn out the lights and all is well. It seems to me that MJ was trying to address a 'problem' that really doesn't need to be addressed with their unorthodox cable wiring.
So, if the stock cable is wired as stated in the post below with the L channel as tip/sleeve and the R channel as ring/sleeve, then no aftermarket cable is going to work. You will need to have a cable wired only for the MJ2. It may be possible to open up the cups and rewire the wires from the connector to the drivers to match your cable but I hope that's not the case. Maybe someone here who already has the MJ2 and has only used the stock cable can check the continuity from the cup connectors to the amp plug and tell us how the cable is wired. Would be nice to know this before the phones arrive so I can possibly be prepared with a balanced cable using a 4-pin Neutrik connector on the amp end.
Of course it would be ideal if MJ would respond and clarify this. As I said above, an email to them thru their website asking for clarification4 days ago has not elicited a response.
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dpump
I know nothing about these headphones, but the monoprice M560 has a design that sounds like what might be used here: the cable is a y-cable with identical stereo plugs going to both cups. The left cup only plays the left channel, and the right cup only plays the right channel. So it doesn't matter which plug goes to which cup -- you could do it in the dark.
You could still make a balanced cable for a headphone that is wired this way, but you would have to mark the cable L and R, since there the two channels do not share a common ground.
HappyMax
That's right. You only have to pay attention at the earcups. Left earcup at the left ear and right earcup at the right ear and it's automatic ok !
Apologies for a long post. I have always wanted an Electrostatic headphone. Loved the MJ2 for the portability and cost. I’ve been on a major balanced headphone trip recently, so I talked to David Choy at Triton Audio Cables about a balanced cable for the MJ2. He had the foresight to say that they were new to him and that he needed to test the polarity of the headphone terminals first. So, I had the cans shipped to him direct. He was right. The polarity was unusual. So, David customised the balanced cable for the MJ2.
When I received it and plugged it in, this happened: (excerpts from my email to him). “Got the shipment with the MJ2. Need to pick your brains. Something strange with the MJ2 cable. When I plugged it into the headphones I heard nothing. I checked the connection and the settings in the Onkyo DP-X1. I thought maybe the TRRS scheme in the DAP balanced-in was unusual, just like you had said the MJ2 connection was. When I couldn’t get a peep out of the DAP, I thought maybe the headphone was kaput. I used the native unbalanced MJ2 cable. Great sound! I listened for some time and decided to reconnect with your cable. Lo and behold, amazing sound! I listened for a long time. The audio was wonderful. Later, I reconnected the native cable through a headphone amp. This is a hungry headphone. After sometime, back to your balanced cable. No sound again. Change to different cable, sounding fine. Back to your balanced cable, great sound again. I went through this experiment several times with the same result each time. I’m flummoxed. Clearly your cable is fine. But why is this happening? When used with a balanced cable, does it have trouble functioning? Anyway, when it works, your cable sounds fantastic”.
These were David’s replies: 1. “When I tested the original cable, I noticed that the headphone knows which is left and right and it doesn't matter which one is plugged into the left or right, the sound somehow comes out of the correct channel. I guess that's why the stock 3.5mm headphone end connectors aren't labeled L/R like most cables. Just now, I found this information that describes the issue completely: "The MJ2 do have left & right indicated on the inside of the headband, near the earcups. As you mention, the cables aren’t marked. This drove me crazy until discovering they don’t need to be! Mitchell & Johnson did something brilliant. They ran the left and right channel to both earcups using a 3.5mm trs plug. The internal female connector is only wired for the correct channel. There’s no way to plug the cable in with reversed channels. This feature is lost if balanced cables are substituted." It sounds like the only work around is what what you discovered and executed due to the unique wiring in the MJ2. Perhaps I didn't experience what you did because I used a 2.5mm balanced to 3.5mm stereo adapter and it worked great. However, I have a theory that due to the way the MJ2 has both right and left channels in each ear cup, if the 3.5mm headphone connectors on the cable have the tip and ring solder points bridged, then it might work, and like the stock cable it may not matter which side is connected to the headphone. The cable you have now has Tip/Sleeve for left channel, and Ring/Sleeve for right channel. The caveat is that I cannot guarantee that it would work as I don't have an MJ2 on hand. I hope what I wrote makes sense”. 2. “I'll formulate a post in the MJ2 thread on head-fi. Sounds like a few people have balanced cables. I'm wondering if the balanced connection at the 2.5mm TRRS may be causing the issue if the headphone connectors on the left and right driver housing is able to determine a stereo connection for each appropriate L/R channel because the ground is common for both sides. With balanced, they are separated. I haven't seen a MJ2 opened up to see the PCB board, but I surmise that the separate grounds versus common ground is the culprit. Why the balanced cable works after the stock cable is inserted, I can only guess that some electrical components is able to get a charge (perhaps in a capacitor) long enough so that when the stock cable and balance cable is swapped, it works.” Makes sense to me. Has anyone else had a problem like this with the MJ2? What do the Illuminati at HeadFi think?
I bought those on Indiegogo a while ago. After a very long burn in they are doing good. Try a balanced cable. This will make them really shine.
RichterDi
Where did you get your balanced cable? Please my post and tell me if you’ve had the same problem.
So.... shipping is limited to the US, but it says under the price it says "Ships to GB", please fix and stop teasing me...
twistercoo
just checked they are shipping worldwide
everton66
Thanks for that,.. Gonna go for it,