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Phoenician Elite Grinders Copper
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Engineered for maximum performance, the Phoenician Elite Copper Grinder is a premium tool characterized by it’s patent pending diametric teeth, exterior lobe-grip, and innovative threadless fast locking system. Constructed from 6061 aerospace aluminum, the silver 4-piece grinder is hand-lapped and finished to create a smooth, scratch resistant, burr-free surface Read More
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keyboard_arrow_downAnonymouse
216
Mar 12, 2015
I agree the Santa Cruz Shredders seem better engineered than this. This is all fluff and gimmickery.
For a start, it's just an aluminium grinder like almost every other grinder out there, with coper _plating_. Add that to the fact that copper is _much_ softer than aluminium, and now it better be a really thick plate o it'll wear off, especially if the thing is, I don't know, grinding on itself for any reason. But a grinder wouldn't do that, right?
Most aluminium grinders are "anodised"; they have a _very_ hard layer of crystalline oxide formed on the outside (harder than steel) which is quite durable in the same situation. But Phoenician, to put their vanity metal-plated coating on, can't anodise it, as metal will only plate onto pure metal, not oxidised metal. So, you end up with something that won't wear as well, and has softer tooth edges, all in the name of "bling". Coulda just milled the whole thing out of brass or something to get a similar "premium" look, but one that wouldn't chip and show silver underneath. Be a bunch heavier, though, but so would their $2K stainless steel grinder (even more so)...
Not a fan of the uncaptured, untensioned screen held in with a screw, either, or the big metal frame under the screen to support it, which isn't needed with a tensioned design. If the screen isn't held taut it clogs faster, and the holes in it aren't uniform, so you don't get as consistent a separation of grade. That and all the material that will keep getting stuck on the support frame and require you to scrape out the nooks and crannies.
The only real plus this has over an SCS is the lobed grip on the outside, but there are plenty of other grinders with similar positive-grip mechanisms; it's not like it's an exclusive Phoenician "innovation".
TL;DR - If you want a more "premium" grinder than your SCS, check out a Green Shark (more features than this). This looks like something aimed at try-hard hipsters who've just discovered green.
For a start, it's just an aluminium grinder like almost every other grinder out there, with coper _plating_. Add that to the fact that copper is _much_ softer than aluminium, and now it better be a really thick plate o it'll wear off, especially if the thing is, I don't know, grinding on itself for any reason. But a grinder wouldn't do that, right?
Most aluminium grinders are "anodised"; they have a _very_ hard layer of crystalline oxide formed on the outside (harder than steel) which is quite durable in the same situation. But Phoenician, to put their vanity metal-plated coating on, can't anodise it, as metal will only plate onto pure metal, not oxidised metal. So, you end up with something that won't wear as well, and has softer tooth edges, all in the name of "bling". Coulda just milled the whole thing out of brass or something to get a similar "premium" look, but one that wouldn't chip and show silver underneath. Be a bunch heavier, though, but so would their $2K stainless steel grinder (even more so)...
Not a fan of the uncaptured, untensioned screen held in with a screw, either, or the big metal frame under the screen to support it, which isn't needed with a tensioned design. If the screen isn't held taut it clogs faster, and the holes in it aren't uniform, so you don't get as consistent a separation of grade. That and all the material that will keep getting stuck on the support frame and require you to scrape out the nooks and crannies.
The only real plus this has over an SCS is the lobed grip on the outside, but there are plenty of other grinders with similar positive-grip mechanisms; it's not like it's an exclusive Phoenician "innovation".
TL;DR - If you want a more "premium" grinder than your SCS, check out a Green Shark (more features than this). This looks like something aimed at try-hard hipsters who've just discovered green.
Jaysun
1855
Mar 10, 2015
Everybody is allowed to speak openly here because it's Massdrop. That being said, not participating in the drop speaks volumes. On the other hand if someone wants to join this drop they shouldn't feel bad about doing it.
Peace, Love and great products at great prices!
Jaysun
1855
Mar 9, 2015
The community voted for Phoenician Grinders as seen here: https://www.massdrop.com/vote/grinder-3?s=phoenician
Please comment on the quality of things you have experience using. By doing this it will eliminate any misunderstanding's related to helping the community.
iLeicaMike
Mar 9, 2015
Jaysun>Please comment on the quality of things you have experience using.
We are; we're commenting on the quality and our experience using Massdrop. You can try and bury this embarrassing drop under marketing terms, and quoting policies, but we're not going to just give Massdrop a free pass on bringing a less than quality drop for your target demographic simply because you don't like what we're saying.
Get over yourselves.
We are; we're commenting on the quality and our experience using Massdrop. You can try and bury this embarrassing drop under marketing terms, and quoting policies, but we're not going to just give Massdrop a free pass on bringing a less than quality drop for your target demographic simply because you don't like what we're saying.
Get over yourselves.
autoteleology
447
Mar 9, 2015
iLeicaMikeThere's no need to be a jerk about it. The worst thing that happens is that nobody buys it. It's still a good drop in terms of price reduction over MSRP. Just a highly questionable product considering the target audience.
Jaysun
1855
Mar 9, 2015
Phoenician Grinders offer more than just a price tag ......"Phoenician Engineering is proud to offer our Elite Series Grinders as these medical devices are the epitome of grinding devices sourced from 304 Stainless Steel and Type II Titanium. These materials are far superior and more costly than Phoenician’s aluminum counterpart and will ultimately last the user their entire life. Due to the tooling, and other machining implications imposed by these material types, these grinders take a substantial amount of time to complete to our standards of perfection. Our Stainless Steel options start at $2,000.00 and Titanium at $4,000.00. Included in this pricing we offer custom 24K Gold, Silver, or Copper plating on any Elite Series Grinder. These plating options are also available on all our aluminum grinders. Pricing for these plating options on aluminum starts at $600.00. "
iLeicaMike
Mar 9, 2015
JaysunA gold plated pile of crap is still a pile of crap. At some point pricing outweighs user experience, and this gold/silver/copper plated turd is still just a sinker in the bowl.
autoteleology
447
Mar 9, 2015
JaysunThese are nice, but the community will never go for this because it flies in the face of the core appeal of Massdrop - BANG FOR THE BUCK. I won't deny the quality but this is the poster child of diminishing returns. Wrong market for this item, frankly.
GTma
1
Mar 7, 2015
This Elite-series is too expensive.
I want Massdrop to sell the regular series(4-piece small, MSRP:$70).
I want Massdrop to sell the regular series(4-piece small, MSRP:$70).
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