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Revue Thommen’s beginnings date all the way back to 1853 in the small Swiss town of Waldenburg. After nearly a century of crafting its own watch movements, the company began producing aviation instruments for the Swiss Air Force in 1936 Read More
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449
Feb 14, 2018
MSRP for a Sub hommage running a basic ETA 2824 was 2400 USD? Yeah right, Invicta approach to MSRP to make the regular price look like a bargain... For that price one is much better off with a Glycine Combat Sub, at least it's not a hommage...
MadAnthonyWayne
63
Apr 28, 2018
"Just a Swatch Group movement" is unfair for a watch at this price point, even substantially discounted. If you want a true in-house movement from a "manufacture" brand versus an "assemblage" brand, you better bring many thousands of dollars to the table, not just a few hundred dollars, and more likely tens of thousands if you want something that truly has zero derivation from an ETA movement. The "Swatch Group" movements have been propping up the Swiss watch industry with either whole movements or ebauches for decades. Furthermore, movements like the ETA 2824-2 (and the others in its family) come in four tiers from the basic through COSC chronometer certified. The 2892-2 family come in three tiers, omitting the "basic". Ebauches from ETA have been the foundation for countless movements with in-house calibers. What they don't tell you is how they started with the ETA ebauche and built onto it with a few of their own parts.
AlexLandryS
71
Apr 29, 2018
MadAnthonyWayneI know that, my comment was that this one had an ETA, which I a great and very commonly used movement. My point was that some other even cheaper homages, such as Invicta, dont even have that going for them!
A community member
Jul 9, 2018
Ugh, do we really need yet ANOTHER Sub homage? Zzzzzzzzzzzzz...
seahunter
245
Jul 10, 2018
Yeah, it's the bigger one. I have about a 7 3/4 " wrist, so it looks pretty good size-wise.
johnnyjohnny
132
Jul 10, 2018
this is the exact same watch as the Grovana diver version, which i have. i actually purchased mine 4 months or so ago at the same price as here, which is a good price for this amazing watch. (NOTE: PICTURE OF MY WATCH IS BELOW)
they often list for a lot more, but are available depending on the color on ebay or jomashop for somewhere at, near, or slightly below this price.
having confirmed here that this is the exact...i mean exact...same watch as the Grovana, i will proceed to rave a bit for those wondering about purchase.
i am a diver auto nut, and this has been one of my best purchases both for the legitimacy of true diver specs and quality, but the insane price (msrp of about $1000 is easily a decent deal too...but discounts are the name of the game).
i took mine off the bracelet as i always do, and put it on a 3piece leather military bund strap, where it looks superb (mediocre cellphone pic below). however, the bracelet is handsome and great quality, as is the watch.
the lume is not bad, but could be a bit better. it's not up to seiko levels, but not like vostock russian divers. you can indeed see it in the dark. but that would be the only knock i can think of. if there was anything else to mention that might give pause, it could be the bezel...while excellent, perfectly lined up and superbly operating, it is a 60 clicker. in fact, i love 120s, but this bezel is so enjoyable to use i've let go of my bias. however, out of the box you might wish to use the bezel with very dry and very NON oily hands. after a bit of break-in the bezel will operate a bit more easily to allow you a bit more latitude.
as for the looks, while not being a total ripoff homage to rolex, it is classically in the range of submariner design that has been used by many brands since the 60s. this does however have its own direction, such as squared off tips to the lugs. the bezel does lie very flat to the case, reminiscent in looks at a glance to early rolex GMT's. everything is super well done, looks great without looking like a runaway knockoff (like invictas, et al). the specs are to 300m, which covers ACTUAL diving. if i had one wish it would have been for the crystal to be raised or domed, but certainly not a deal breaker.
all in all this is a worthy piece. not sure if it's been regulated but the time keeping is more accurate than many other eta 2824s or sellita's i've gotten. i'd say one couldn't go wrong with this piece, and i enjoy wearing mine, which says 'Grovana' but is otherwise the same. i have the red bezel which is tops in my book.
they often list for a lot more, but are available depending on the color on ebay or jomashop for somewhere at, near, or slightly below this price.
having confirmed here that this is the exact...i mean exact...same watch as the Grovana, i will proceed to rave a bit for those wondering about purchase.
i am a diver auto nut, and this has been one of my best purchases both for the legitimacy of true diver specs and quality, but the insane price (msrp of about $1000 is easily a decent deal too...but discounts are the name of the game).
i took mine off the bracelet as i always do, and put it on a 3piece leather military bund strap, where it looks superb (mediocre cellphone pic below). however, the bracelet is handsome and great quality, as is the watch.
the lume is not bad, but could be a bit better. it's not up to seiko levels, but not like vostock russian divers. you can indeed see it in the dark. but that would be the only knock i can think of. if there was anything else to mention that might give pause, it could be the bezel...while excellent, perfectly lined up and superbly operating, it is a 60 clicker. in fact, i love 120s, but this bezel is so enjoyable to use i've let go of my bias. however, out of the box you might wish to use the bezel with very dry and very NON oily hands. after a bit of break-in the bezel will operate a bit more easily to allow you a bit more latitude.
as for the looks, while not being a total ripoff homage to rolex, it is classically in the range of submariner design that has been used by many brands since the 60s. this does however have its own direction, such as squared off tips to the lugs. the bezel does lie very flat to the case, reminiscent in looks at a glance to early rolex GMT's. everything is super well done, looks great without looking like a runaway knockoff (like invictas, et al). the specs are to 300m, which covers ACTUAL diving. if i had one wish it would have been for the crystal to be raised or domed, but certainly not a deal breaker.
all in all this is a worthy piece. not sure if it's been regulated but the time keeping is more accurate than many other eta 2824s or sellita's i've gotten. i'd say one couldn't go wrong with this piece, and i enjoy wearing mine, which says 'Grovana' but is otherwise the same. i have the red bezel which is tops in my book.
P1MPBOT5000
244
Jul 11, 2018
What is this watches RBI? I have a feeling big league for you and for me are not the same thing?
johnnyjohnny
132
Jul 11, 2018
P1MPBOT5000hi, do not know what you mean by RBI...i know the baseball term but not sure if you are applying it here to mean runs batted in...like major big league positives? is that what you mean?
diyaudio
42
Apr 26, 2018
I know it's a little OT, but talking of Submariner homage options, I bought a Tisell, blue bezel, blue dial, and I'm very happy with it. Everything about it, size, sapphire crystal, Miyota movement, steel bracelet, feels just right. 40mm is neither too big nor too small. I ordered online from their Czech website and paid list price. I just thought that is a good option if you're considering this drop.
https://www.tisellwatch.com/diving-watches/tisell-sub-9015-2-40-mm/
MadAnthonyWayne
63
Apr 29, 2018
It's one of the Truths Which Everyone Knows.
First, creating a high-beat mechanical watch movement with sufficient precision to achieve high enough accuracy that they can be routinely submitted to COSC for their chronometer certification is no simple feat, with as much marketing hype as the COSC has and the cost it incurs, it's still an accuracy certification. The forces required from a mainspring on the regulating portion of a watch to drive it at 28.8kbph are substantially higher compared to 21.6kbph or 18kbph, and achieving isochronism at that rate is difficult. It's why there are not that many 28.8kbph movement caliber families, and only a very few 36kbph movement calibers, the latter in extremely low volume numbers, and they're basically hand built, or rebuilt from a 28.8kbph ebauche. ETA mastered the Black Art of designing and manufacturing precision high-beat 28.8kbph movements with exceptional reliability and durability in very high volumes in the early 1970's. They've been doing it ever since, and they're noted for high precision that enables regulating them to high accuracy. That kind of track record and pedigree is worth everything in the realm of designing and manufacturing mechanical watch movements.
The Miyota 9000 family is a significant step up for Miyota in mechanical movements, and their first movement development since creating their dirt cheap 8000 family in the early 1970's. It was created by Miyota as the industry vacuum for high beat 28.8kbph hand-wind and hacking movements started forming with ETA (part of the Swatch Group) drawing down on sales of its movements to other companies outside of the Swatch Group. ETA had been propping up the mechanical watch industry globally with high-beat movements for decades, including many finding their way by various resale paths into high end fakes coming out of China. The typical path? Company XYZ legitimately using 2824 family movements orders 500 of them to leverage on volume pricing when they only need 300. The other 200 are sold off as a commodity at cost to anyone coming to the table with the cash to buy them. The Chinese fake makers beat a path to their door to get the legitimate watch company's excess. The source of them is virtually untraceable as movements are not serial numbered. The pressure was mounting on ETA from the Swiss watch industry to shut this off. The only means to do that was by shutting off supply to companies outside the Swiss Watch Federation (a Swiss industry group) and the Swatch Group.
The 2824 movement family, which has existed since 1971, just a few years shy of half a century, has withstood the test of time emerging arguably as the most robust and durable wristwatch movement design ever created. It's about the time Miyota created the 8000 family of cheap mid-beat. Those are reliable workhorses, but they're not high precision and as a consequence they're not noted for ability to sustain and maintain high accuracy. The aura surrounding the ETA 2824 isn't marketing hype. There's a reason the watch industry globally was beating a path to ETA's door for those movements. One can be assured, provided the watch case isn't compromised to contaminate the movement, and that it hasn't been unduly abused with repeatedly severe mechanical shock, there's high probability an ETA 2824 family movement will still be working reliably with good accuracy 40 years from now. Miyota cannot begin to make that claim yet with its 9000 family. They've not been on the street for a decade yet. If a movement is damaged, how well does Miyota support it with parts availability? Not a problem with the ETA 2824 family. With an ETA powered watch you've got a high degree of confidence it will be running with good accuracy four decades later, with zero maintenance, in spite of what ETA recommends, and if perhaps it does get damaged, there's confidence proper watchmaker can repair it and regulate it back to very accurate timekeeping.
When the high-beat Miyota 9000 family has been around to demonstrate its long-term durability and reliability for a couple of decades, along with a logistical support system that readily provides parts for them, perhaps it can stake a claim. It's much, much, much too new a movement. Can Miyota keep its quality control under control? I welcome the Miyota 9000's as finally some new mechanical watch movement development, but to claim they're on par with the ETA 2824 family is much too soon. Come back in 25 years and make a long-term reliability and durability claim.
Bottom Line: The ETA movements, and the Sellita clones (Sellita made movements for ETA under contract for decades), are proven workhorses with decades of high reliability and durability. The Miyota movements do not yet have that and won't have it for another 15 years or so. Buying a Miyota 9000 powered watch buys into the risk it won't prove to be as robust, durable or reliable over time as the ETA 2824 family have. That it beats at 28.8kbh, can be hand wound and hacks isn't enough. Will it still be running accurately forty years from now? Miyota cannot make that claim. ETA can.
First, creating a high-beat mechanical watch movement with sufficient precision to achieve high enough accuracy that they can be routinely submitted to COSC for their chronometer certification is no simple feat, with as much marketing hype as the COSC has and the cost it incurs, it's still an accuracy certification. The forces required from a mainspring on the regulating portion of a watch to drive it at 28.8kbph are substantially higher compared to 21.6kbph or 18kbph, and achieving isochronism at that rate is difficult. It's why there are not that many 28.8kbph movement caliber families, and only a very few 36kbph movement calibers, the latter in extremely low volume numbers, and they're basically hand built, or rebuilt from a 28.8kbph ebauche. ETA mastered the Black Art of designing and manufacturing precision high-beat 28.8kbph movements with exceptional reliability and durability in very high volumes in the early 1970's. They've been doing it ever since, and they're noted for high precision that enables regulating them to high accuracy. That kind of track record and pedigree is worth everything in the realm of designing and manufacturing mechanical watch movements.
The Miyota 9000 family is a significant step up for Miyota in mechanical movements, and their first movement development since creating their dirt cheap 8000 family in the early 1970's. It was created by Miyota as the industry vacuum for high beat 28.8kbph hand-wind and hacking movements started forming with ETA (part of the Swatch Group) drawing down on sales of its movements to other companies outside of the Swatch Group. ETA had been propping up the mechanical watch industry globally with high-beat movements for decades, including many finding their way by various resale paths into high end fakes coming out of China. The typical path? Company XYZ legitimately using 2824 family movements orders 500 of them to leverage on volume pricing when they only need 300. The other 200 are sold off as a commodity at cost to anyone coming to the table with the cash to buy them. The Chinese fake makers beat a path to their door to get the legitimate watch company's excess. The source of them is virtually untraceable as movements are not serial numbered. The pressure was mounting on ETA from the Swiss watch industry to shut this off. The only means to do that was by shutting off supply to companies outside the Swiss Watch Federation (a Swiss industry group) and the Swatch Group.
The 2824 movement family, which has existed since 1971, just a few years shy of half a century, has withstood the test of time emerging arguably as the most robust and durable wristwatch movement design ever created. It's about the time Miyota created the 8000 family of cheap mid-beat. Those are reliable workhorses, but they're not high precision and as a consequence they're not noted for ability to sustain and maintain high accuracy. The aura surrounding the ETA 2824 isn't marketing hype. There's a reason the watch industry globally was beating a path to ETA's door for those movements. One can be assured, provided the watch case isn't compromised to contaminate the movement, and that it hasn't been unduly abused with repeatedly severe mechanical shock, there's high probability an ETA 2824 family movement will still be working reliably with good accuracy 40 years from now. Miyota cannot begin to make that claim yet with its 9000 family. They've not been on the street for a decade yet. If a movement is damaged, how well does Miyota support it with parts availability? Not a problem with the ETA 2824 family. With an ETA powered watch you've got a high degree of confidence it will be running with good accuracy four decades later, with zero maintenance, in spite of what ETA recommends, and if perhaps it does get damaged, there's confidence proper watchmaker can repair it and regulate it back to very accurate timekeeping.
When the high-beat Miyota 9000 family has been around to demonstrate its long-term durability and reliability for a couple of decades, along with a logistical support system that readily provides parts for them, perhaps it can stake a claim. It's much, much, much too new a movement. Can Miyota keep its quality control under control? I welcome the Miyota 9000's as finally some new mechanical watch movement development, but to claim they're on par with the ETA 2824 family is much too soon. Come back in 25 years and make a long-term reliability and durability claim.
Bottom Line: The ETA movements, and the Sellita clones (Sellita made movements for ETA under contract for decades), are proven workhorses with decades of high reliability and durability. The Miyota movements do not yet have that and won't have it for another 15 years or so. Buying a Miyota 9000 powered watch buys into the risk it won't prove to be as robust, durable or reliable over time as the ETA 2824 family have. That it beats at 28.8kbh, can be hand wound and hacks isn't enough. Will it still be running accurately forty years from now? Miyota cannot make that claim. ETA can.
diyaudio
42
Apr 30, 2018
MadAnthonyWayneThanks. Interesting reply. In effect, we don't have _proof_ that the Miyota 9015 series movements (which are used in the Tisell I mentioned) will last 30 years. Maybe this is an important factor influencing some buyers. Not me. In 30 years, I expect to be either dead or so old that I won't care whether my Tisell works well or not.
By your logic, I guess you're uncertain of the provenance of the new breed of Omega movements too, which are showcased as "Master Chronometers", but use a new "co-axial" movement with low VPH?
On the Miyota vs ETA debate, I found this thread: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/eta-2824-vs-miyota-9015-specific-watch-comparison-4519745.html
By your logic, I guess you're uncertain of the provenance of the new breed of Omega movements too, which are showcased as "Master Chronometers", but use a new "co-axial" movement with low VPH?
On the Miyota vs ETA debate, I found this thread: http://forums.watchuseek.com/f71/eta-2824-vs-miyota-9015-specific-watch-comparison-4519745.html
Turk_UK
5
Dec 23, 2018
$2400? who MADE UP that price? The average price I have seen them varies from a reasonable £400 to a ludicrous chancers listing price of £700, a vast difference to the $2.4k here. I guess listing a watch thats priced little more than the massdrop offer doesn't seem such a bargain does it..... (naughty naughty OP) Regardless, I'd much rather have a seiko pepsi or sxk007 and £200+ in my back pocket or both a sxk009 & sxk007 and no £200
(Edited)
Turk_UK
5
Nov 18, 2019
The joy of Subjectivity vs Objectivity - one might say "oldGuys" another may say "classic" adn when it comes to divers watches practicality overrides - there's always a plethora of styles for all ages and tastes. I must say I find it odd you saying ewhat you did on a thread regarding a watch that could easily have a seiko logo on it.... Me personally I don't see watches a for old or young, just designs that one likes or doesn;'t... oh unless its a Tag Heuer - that covers both young & dumb :) they do make a nice strap, i forget which.
ps is the Monster watch an old guys watch, young guys watch or?
hmm, gave it too much thought already, I have a headache.
Love the "young guys" watches above lol - transformers style, stylish. also gearbest have loads of young guy watches :D
Anyway, i enjoy my pepsi being neither young or old, just looks good imo and when i can find a Monster that isn't ludicrously over priced I'll enjoy that too.
(Edited)
Rosebud41
278
Apr 25, 2018
Screams "I want a Rolex but can't afford one". I can get a fake on Canal Street for $50 with a lovely Seagull movement if I want that sort of thing. Which I don't...
WolfofSP
0
May 29, 2020
RT has since came out with a new bronze collection which is quite unique yet has some vintage flair. It's worth checking it out. I think RT is underrated.
analytic168
0
Sep 17, 2020
This is one of the best and funniest things I've ever read on the internet. Thank you for that. Loving the new Revue Thommen Airspeed chrono I received today. Loving it even more after this post!
TigerUK
296
Apr 15, 2019
made swiss watches since 1853 and the best they can do now is rip off rolex submariner.
TigerUK
296
Apr 20, 2019
We're you trying to make a point that these were nice examples and shut me up? These are all horrible imitations. While a micro brand can be forgiven for doing submariner rip offs. A so call Swiss watch company wirh heritage going back to 1850's should not be doing this.
RayF
22216
Apr 20, 2019
TigerUKYou must be kidding--why would I want to shut you up? You say the most entertaining things!
No, I was merely pointing out that Rolex Submariners have been the de facto design basis for dive watches since before you started wearing Pampers, and that pointing out that resemblance, each and every time you see another one, would be akin to pointing out that all airplanes seem to have wings these days (and questing where they all got that idea from) is mostly irrelevant at this point--so long as they still fly.
So yes, there are many watches that have either borrowed from Rolex's design, or copied it micron for micron. If you'd like to suggest a more unique design that might also be a viable money-maker, I'll bet the good folks at Revue Thommen would be thrilled to hear from you.
Have your people, call their people!
(Edited)
johnnyjohnny
132
Jul 10, 2018
THIS IS THE EXACT SAME DIVER BUT WITH GROVANA NAME, THEY ARE THE SAME...I REMOVED BRACELET FOR STRAP...REVIEW IS ABOVE.
johnnyjohnny
132
Jul 11, 2018
OnePunchManhi...thanks. in fact it is much lighter on my wrist on the bund strap, but it has a slightly bigger and more milsub presence, which is very cool. but the steel band is also wonderful, i just prefer the bund straps.
A community member
Apr 25, 2018
Very overpriced, get a Steinhart Ocean 1 instead.
MadAnthonyWayne
63
Apr 29, 2018
Your price is not just wrong, it's DEAD wrong. I didn't state what I did shooting from the hip. I went to Steinhart's web site, and used a current Euro to Dollar converter, on the very day I posted that. Don't call me a liar. You're not looking in the right places. Google is your friend. Revue Thommen is always where it has been for centuries, in Switzerland. That you cannot flip it as easily in a year to your diver watch buds on the Dive Watch Fan Boyz Internet forums who ooh and aah over Steinhart and a few specialty brands that deliberately market to them, is a problem you must deal with. One should not be buying a watch with the idea they're going to get all their money out of it a few months to a year from now. Invest in stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and precious metals. you can actually make money doing that. If you're into flipping things, start cruising the pawn shops, estate auctions and garage sales. You'll make a lot more money if you're savvy on what sells on ePrey.
Steinhart is little more than a tiny one trick pony company in Germany with one man and perhaps a few others working for him. Revue Thommen has a lot more depth and makes an enormous range of watches by comparison. Go back to the Dive Watch micro-brands you and your Dive Watch Fan Boyz buds drool over on a few Dive Watch Internet forums and stay in that venue. Leave that highly cloistered venue and your precious Steinhart won't be worth very much because nobody will know what the heck it is. The mainstream public will think it's a Steinhausen. I've lurked around those forums for a couple decades now. They live in their very own and very tiny, minuscule world.
Steinhart is little more than a tiny one trick pony company in Germany with one man and perhaps a few others working for him. Revue Thommen has a lot more depth and makes an enormous range of watches by comparison. Go back to the Dive Watch micro-brands you and your Dive Watch Fan Boyz buds drool over on a few Dive Watch Internet forums and stay in that venue. Leave that highly cloistered venue and your precious Steinhart won't be worth very much because nobody will know what the heck it is. The mainstream public will think it's a Steinhausen. I've lurked around those forums for a couple decades now. They live in their very own and very tiny, minuscule world.
A community member
Apr 29, 2018
MadAnthonyWayneWow your ranting like a butt hurt pony. I also used a currency converter and the brand is well documented by watch fanatics world wide, you also going to convince the Chinese that rice is not nice.
Everything I said above still stands and anyone with non subjective common sense will see.
Good day to you Sir
Everything I said above still stands and anyone with non subjective common sense will see.
Good day to you Sir
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