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Topping D10 DAC

Topping D10 DAC

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I got the D10 Something's wrong The display lights for a few seconds and becomes dark The music continues from the computer What the D10 does not output sound through the RCA ports I downloaded the program and the software update I'm using Windows 7 What could be the reason?
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On my setup, my windows volume is always on max and I just adjust my volume level on my amp.
hi tx The display turns on for a few seconds, then becomes dark It's not a volume issue in Windhoose
Topping D10 user here, To maximize the potential of TOPPING D10. Use the TOPPING DX3 PRO DRIVERS just download it from their website. Its just the same, and the drivers of TOPPING DX3 PRO is much newer than TOPPING D10 drivers. Using the TOPPING DX3 drivers will let you set windows audio output to 32bit 384Khz, unlike the original TOPPING D10 drivers that will limit you to 32bit 192Khz. I hope this helps.
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Your welcome.
Lyong_Min
I tried to install this driver but instillation is blocked by my virus scanner. though i was able to install D10 driver successfully on same computer. any possible reason for same.
I'm sorry for the amateur question, but I'm new to the world of DACs and interested in this entry-level option. How is this used with headphones when it doesn't have a 3.5mm jack on it? Does it require an adapter, and if so, would this decrease sound quality? Or is this DAC supposed to be used for speaker systems? Thanks.
Rupeescreamer
This is a DAC and not an AMP, all a DAC does is take the digital signal from your computer and make change it into a analog signal. Than you can take that signal, run it into an AMP and amplify it so you can power your headphones/speakers. Also, combined DAC and AMPs are pretty common.
If you are having problems with your D10 such as it not starting up when you boot up your pc or there isn't any sound going through, you need to install the updated drivers and firmware on their website: http://en.tpdz.net/drivers.html
My first DAC....I’m excited to test fully.
How does this compare to the Massdrop x Grace Design Standard DAC?
Does the device display the bit depth of the sample format inputted? I've only seen photos of the device displaying the sample rate of the input... Also, i would like to see the step, does it show the sample step? I think it could be pretty hot if it had a display mode where it showed the samples, like really fast, or for sine, using buttons like an alarm clock, to change display modes?.., Especially if it did a measurably good job at sample reproduction.., what about 8bit? 8 bit 22khz formats, does it handle that? I must i say for a contemporous gentlement. Why leave out a format? then i might get kind of.., excited here guys.., for sure.,, but right now, i don't know., If it' showing the rate, it must be kind of aware of the samples. for input ifnot multibit output.., I mean, i might not be confident lining 24bit samples to this digital decoder device, however pending device implementation quality, i think it could do a good job with 8bit 22.kzh and 16bit, and 32bit samples, and might be choice for system implementation., But really, without comprehensive analysis, of marked performance in it's implementation as a converter, it's all up in the air as far as I'm concerned. I wont want to listen to low quality format reproduction. I don't know if this device beats out any other 16bit dac @format until we see it's performance at that format, or any other given scenarios, the specs and documentation supplied is so sparse.., In good conscious I'm not sure i could give money for it.., i have to say i find myself in a regrettable shopping decision, completely uninformed and presented this offering. Interesting little thing, I wish that I knew much more about it. =) <3
Can anyone compare this and the SDAC? Looking for a low cost DAC to implement a computer speaker system
how would this compare with Dragonfly Red. I think they share the same Sabre chip.
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I'd be surprised if anyone has gone to the trouble to do that. While it's possible there could be an issue that only occurs at certain bit-rates or sample sizes, it seems unlikely.
The kind of problems that would occur only with specific digital formats are probably all things that would be handled internally by the digital logic in the dac chip or the usb interface chip. Given how widely used these chips are such a problem would have to be fairly subtle not to be quickly detected and fixed by the chipmakers.
Jaggi
"'d be surprised if anyone has gone to the trouble to do that. While it's possible there could be an issue that only occurs at certain bit-rates or sample sizes, it seems unlikely."
It's just a simple test of the device., A little battery for a decent review. It seems maybe more worthwhile then just sampling at one format, and being in the dark about the others..,
"The kind of problems that would occur only with specific digital formats are probably all things that would be handled internally by the digital logic in the dac chip or the usb interface chip. Given how widely used these chips are such a problem would have to be fairly subtle not to be quickly detected and fixed by the chipmakers. " Ohh i must say i find thats not a very true statement. I've found the measurements for devices at various sample formats to be usually very different. This is the sort of common review that used to be done oncee, testing at various sample formats, multi-bit dacs. See, for a guy right, it's important probably to know how one device performs at various formats, since digital audio is, on a contemporary system; being reproduced at different formats., So to be useful, i'd need to know how the device handles native 44.1khz16bit compared to my discrete 16bit dacs already in implementation, before i consider wanting the device myself, for system implementation., if it doesn't beat my current dacs, what interest would i have for implementation? Degraded performance? No, i need to know that... before i pay, And you say commonality of productions, i say look at the topping Taishan, several years in and look at amirs test response, at lawl, unlabeled bit formats to be fair, but look how that device, out of Topping performs,. dive bombs at a common(?) sampling format. Unless this device is converting all sampling formats to DSD internally? :o But anyways, before i pick this device up, i need to know how it performs, and not just at one sample rate,. that's like, i say, measuring a car's speed handling and acceleration at only 1 gear, when in general it will be performing across all four or five, doesn't tell a meaningful story. Running the test battery, with a script, i'd think could be just as easy as running a single test sample anyhow, so what are we considering and looking at, a broken implementation which only shows a glimpse., nope, gotta sett he battery to get an idea for my choice formats.. And a dac operating at different formats, yes can have pretty important and reveling results., Like does it outperforms which of my other dacs at their choice format? Or is it "just good for dsd", because if it's multibit, then yeah, it's supposed to be for multiformat, and if it's for multiformat, im interested in just how well it performs, or i could just digitally line to my cd player, 16bit soundcard, 16bit usb soundcard, 16bit ipod, other multibit dacs, orsomething else. ;-) So i need to know the performance at format, since it's a multi-format device. =) Same thing with 8bit and 24bit (at various sampling rates).., yeup, im not going to pay to degrade my performance, or gamble at that, lol but i am interested in the multi format device offered, in just how reasonably good it is..,
Will this work with an iPod and iPhone?
Billybarool
Seconding this question - I think this will be important for a lot of people. Is anyone actively using this with an iPhone or iPad? If so, did you need anything extra to get it working?
I'm getting static noise when watching videos on YouTube and move the cursor on the screen. Anyone else have this issue? I'm using a Macbook Pro. Playing music in iTunes is fine. No static. I never had this issue with the Micca Origen+.
Whenever i press keys on the keyboard (like S,D,W,] and some more), windows will give me some ring as if something happened, any idea what it does and why? i cannot find anything of such in the manual.
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Once i started to use the DSD ASIO plugin for Foobar2000, i no longer have that issue, but if the DAC is connected and it's not using that plugin then the problem is there. So imo the problem is not solved and i am very disappointed that no one addressed my issue so far.
shocky
Sorry to hear the issue with the device persists, it's unacceptable. Maybe topping will release a firmware update for it. If i were in your shoes, i'd email massdrop and topping at toppings "English portal" site, maybe it's still within the return period or some customer satisfaction guarantee exists, where you can get your money back, for the device malfunctioning under conditions and making noises, as compared to the advertisement which doesn't say anything about that condition. Then one could amounts to another DSD device.., Hey, at least you've flagged the issue for others here.. I wonder if the issue would persist under Linux, running native DSD, or under windows native dsd in the future, without the plugin.. Toppings site en.tpdz.net/ (lol, looks who's on the front page(D10)). News sections states D50 just got a firmware update... thats might be a lead for support to resolve your issue, to get it functioning freely, without the issue..,
Hi all. I recently received my Topping D-10 DAC. Love it! Only problem is my MacBook won’t see it unless I use the supplied 4’ USB2 cable. I tried a 10’ USB2 cable—nothing. Figured it was a bad cable, so I ordered another—still nothing. Anyone else run across this? Unfortunately I don’t have another USB2 device to test the cables on. Thanks for any help—Paul
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Yeup no problem. I use analog cables, for my keyboard and mouse and monitor(CRT " analog monitor"), it lets me connect to my equipment miles away, if i wanted, even without degradation. 10ft or 3 meters is also the typical extend of the HDMI and Displayport digital cable interfaces too, as a standard, at least without "boosters", and that said, as a tip ;-); the more things you have in your digital interface, like boosters and extenders, i'd be concerned that it could induce "jitter" or like i think you see "connection problems". Ideally though, i'm sure there's a good route for support made available., So a single "good" 5 foot usb(2?) cable, if sufficient, might be better then a 4ft cable and a "booster", even though we might think the booster would help secure the connection against the issue it MIGHT introduce an issue, too.. Shame thing's like cables and device don't just workout of the box like a sane person would think ;-) Cheers.
Caiz
This is my first USB DAC, and it’s definitely more temperamental than my previous optically-connected device. Regardless, I‘m thrilled with the sound of it. I’ll experiment with some other cable brands. Thank for the tip!
I decided to buy this from Amazon. It's $15 more, but I'd rather pay more than wait until October for it to ship...
Needs RCA/toslink input I only use USB though so it would suit my needs... oh if only I needed a dac right now, but my setup is fine.
Pretty crazy that this can do DSD256 while the more expensive D30 can only do up to 128. Also 32-bit PCM to the D30's 24 bit max.
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Not that I know of... Also I'm wondering if D10 works with Volumino Raspberry PI player... the D30 doesn't work with DSD for this... Kind of a pain in the butt. If the D10 works I may switch. Apparently for the D30 to play DSD, it is only supported with its windows plugin, not lynx.
zep483
hmm, if you are to buy it i'd make sure i would go with someone who has a money back guarantee. A fellow member here, Shocky, was reporting issues like that your reporting with the D30, when using his D10. https://www.massdrop.com/buy/topping-d10/talk/2231956?utm_campaign=Discussion%3A%20User%20Replied&utm_source=SparkPost&utm_medium=email&utm_term=Discussion%3A%20User%20Replied&utm_content=1539588980780.700984579642743221940859&referer=P3226B&utm_content=1539588980780.700984579642743221940859 That said, Topping does offer firmware updates for some devices, i might check with them to see if you can get full support out of the device for your uses.. Afterall, im sure they intend to produce a good device and if there is a means for improvement, they might just peruse it, for anyone, to make a more competitive device which better serves., Or maybe if you like they can get you a refund to a product which would work like that.., On the otherhand, if you see at the audiosciencereviews forum, Amirs measurements of the Topping Taishan DAC device were pretty eye opening.., The short of it; didn't perform well, t least under his half-labeled test. So, i'm not sure it's fine to just "leave it to topping" lol. so much as make sure you have a written guarantee, at least. ;-)
Is this amp worth getting along with a pair of Klipsch R14 or Q-Acoustics 2010i ? Is the dac and amp good enough for quality audio (Tidal etc) ? How does it compare to entry level amps like Onkyo or Yamaha ?
I’ve heard good things about Topping and i’m on a buget, i’m not expecting top of the line Hifi at this price, but i’m dont want to get subpar equipment that i will not enjoy amd sell after a couple of months either...
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Thanks for the answers. Apparently i was confusing this with the MX3 which looks similar but is also an amp. my bad.
Do you have measures of the devices performance at various sample formats, regarding the devices performance characteristics, FK-Fi?
I can' get this to work. My main computer is a Macbook Pro running OSX High Sierra 10.13.6. The DAC does not appear under Sound Devices, and no matter what I try with restarts, resets of PRAM and SMC seem to make a difference.
When it powers up, three dashes appear in the display, but after a little while it goes into standby and only a small, dimmed dot is visible.
I've also tried on a Win10 computer. Same thing happens, it goes into standby after a little while. I also installed the drivers from Topping, but in the software's control panel, under USB Audio Device, "No device detected".
Any tips?
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Thanks for the suggestions, guys! I had already tried direct connections on both the Macbook and the stationary Windows 10 computer. The USB cord has been swapped with one I use daily, but same thing.
I must say I have gotten excellent service from both Massdrop and Topping in my e-mails, so now a new unit is on its way.
smalahove
New unit in da house! Plugged in, worked immediately. All good.
Is there anyone who tried to play music with over 192KHz? like 352KHz or 384KHz?
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And? Come on man, tell us how was it ;)
PedroGabriel
It is fantastic. Very wide and deep soundstage, more black background, nice tone and separation of individual performers and instruments.
Does anyone know if the D10 is compatible with the Sonore microRendu? I have the Topping driver installed but when i connect my microRendu, the D10 is not recognized.
Just a quick question - I'm considering this to feed my active speakers, but will I be able to control the output volume using the windows volume slider like my Audioquest Dragonfly or will it be locked at line level as it is with my Stoner DAC? Playback software is Plexamp, DSD won't be an issue as I've got my Mojo/CIEM rig for that stuff.
Sorensiim
Got a reply from a reseller: Yes, you can turn down the volume using the Windows volume control, but it's not utilising the Sabre DAC's internal volume control, so the output won't be bit perfect at anything less than 100% volume. This is why DSD playback goes out the window when you touch the volume slider.
Sorensiim
Windows will do volume control for you but if you want to avoid DSP then better to insert an analog control like the Schiit Sys between the DAC and your speakers. Or maybe look at a different DAC, with integrated volume control.
I just bot a Topping D10 DAC. I connected it to the PC, I installed the driver and I connected the line output to an amplifier. When I tried to play a music file, could not get any sound at the line output. Should I do any additional settings in order to get any sound out of this little box ?
I love this DAC. The Op Amp is socketed and the unit comes stock with a TI OPA2134PA installed. I switched it out, replacing it with a SparkOS Labs Dual Discrete Op Amp SS3602. It took this DAC to a whole new level. I couldn't be happier!
Uberchurl
How did the sound change from the stock/included op amp?
Uberchurl
I just got a SparkOS Labs OPA ss3602 delivered and I'm looking to replace the stock OpAmp. Can you share how you did it?
Has anyone had any luck using this with a ps4?
Will this work with a cell phone if I had a cable?
AKVakamudi
Yes it does. Tried it with my note 8 last night.
Which be better this or SMSL Sanskrit 6th gen??
SharkybotxD
I saw a few comparisons and the short answer is yes.
Received yesterday, shipped early. Hooked it up using the linear power supply shown in this discussion (I bought from Ebay and China because I could not read the site posted here). DSD works with Foobar 2000 and Windows 10. Windows found a driver but I later installed the Topping driver to see if it made a difference -- don't think it did. D10 DSD source showed in Foobar. DSD does not work with my Pi 3B+ running Raspbian and Volumio -- Volumio shows DSD but the D10 display shows PCM. I have only played it through speakers and a receiver, not headphones yet, but it sounds nearly as good as my R2R 11.
WaltW
Do you notice any difference with the linear power supply?
Mine was delivered Thursday but I won’t get a chance to listen until next weekend. I’ll post my findings then. Can’t wait to hear it!
Got one of these incoming. Is the USB cable they supply good enough or does anyone recommend a cable that is better? Cheers.
Wimbo
The shortest cable you can use, and I use a powered USB hub that I hook my DACs into, everything is dead silent, to my ears anyways. Only noise I hear is when I turn my Little Dot MKIII volume to max with nothing playing, probably the tubes, my iCan Pro is silent. This is the hub, https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00CBEVTIA/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1 But if you feel like spending money on a USB cable, Pangea Audio has one for about $20 for a 0.5 meter cable on Amazon that are nice looking and well made. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B06Y6M2Q93/ref=twister_B073RQJ7YP?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
Frogmeat
Thanks mate :)
156 comments. Only 1 asked how it sounds. 0 answers.
It's funny how audio equipment is sometimes all about the technical details and nothing about the music.
CBob
Re-posting my previous comments on the D10. It sounds great! I'm very glad I picked it up, and it does not cost that much.
" Using with my ipad mini 4 right now via the usb 3.0 camera connection kit. Using it with the MD 02 Amp and the MD CTH Tube Hybrid for comparison. I had it at home over the weekend testing it with my Bravo 2 Amp and it totally changed the sound of that amp. Where it tended to be a bit harsh and sibilant at times, the D10 smoothed that out and added more body to the music and more soundstage. I am noticing the same thing with the O2 Amp and CTH Tube Hybrid. I couldn't believe the change. I'd been using an AQ Dragonfly Black and Zorloo ZuperDac as my DAC at home and on my work setup respectively. The D10 just blows them away. Not knowing when or if the D10 would drop again I got it from Amazon over the weekend. I may get another one for home, but I'll wait a bit to see if the D50 drops again. In the meantime, the D10 is small enough to carry between locations. "