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Yangtastic
1
Sep 21, 2016
Anyone know how the sound and feel level of matias qc compare to mx browns? Also, the problem with the keyboard booting up mentioned above, is that only for Bluetooth connection or also for wired connection? And does that problem still exist?
nicepear
60
Sep 21, 2016
YangtasticI want this answer, too. I want the clicky or silenced ones (or mx clears/browns). I will be buying they keyboard, and there is tons of good things about the Matias all over the internet, so is it worth? The silenced ones appeal to me as well because I like side printed keycaps
ext3rN
141
Sep 21, 2016
YangtasticI could hardly call browns "tactile". Matias QC, on the other hand, has the crispest tactility of any non-clicky switch I've ever tried. It's slightly heavier than browns, and even more tactile than Topre.
The only downside though is the poor QC, pun intended. My keyboard had terrible key chatter on at least 10 keys, and unfortunately I had to return it. I'd buy this keyboard again in a heartbeat if they (Matias, probably) fixed this issue.
Yangtastic
1
Sep 21, 2016
ext3rNSo I guess the browns would be the safer bet for me. Do you know anything about the boot up problem I asked about above?
clickstops
85
Sep 22, 2016
ext3rNAs a 4-year browns user who bought a Matias QC board in June, and is typing on Topre now, I don't really agree. The bump is more noticeable and firmer than browns - it's the same as clears. But it is anything but crisp! It's just as "sandy" feeling as browns and clears are. Compared to Topre, which honestly I'm not a massive fan of or anything, they are rough. I actually love them, they are wonderfully chunky, but not near as smooth as topre.
That said, I loved browns for years. I LOVE clears. And I like Matias QC quite a bit. I bought the board for late night working and gaming while my wife is asleep, and they're fantastically quiet. As quiet as rubber dome, or quieter. But like you, I had massive key chatter issues, and won't buy another matias board until I hear that it's all sorted.
nicepear
60
Sep 22, 2016
clickstopshmm. I was planning on going with the Matias QC, would you say that is a bad idea based on the chatter? I have pretty strong fingers, so I'd go with MX Clears if I don't go for the Alps. Do the Clicky ones chatter, as well? Is it better to go for clicky alps? most of the internet seems to love them.
SheldonCheng
0
Sep 22, 2016
nicepearI have both the KBP V80 and V60 with Matias QCs. I can say that most of the keychatter issues are due to excess blobs of grease/lube in the switches. (I also have a Matias Laptop Pro that has little grease and never chattered, so I'm assuming KBP adds the grease).
In my case, I opened up all the switches that were chattering and used a toothpick/paperclip to get rid of the excess between the metal contacts (carefully or you might bend the contacts). Any keys still chattering after that resolved by themselves after a few days of regular use.
tldr: key chatter is not an electronics issue, and can be fixed on your own. That said, I agree that it is unacceptable for a new keyboard. It's just that for people like me, where it is too troublesome to send it back, we can at least try to fix it.
SheldonCheng
0
Sep 22, 2016
clickstopsWas your Matias board a V80, V60, or Matias? I realised that on the V80, each switch is mounted "the other way round", compared to the V60 and Matias' own keyboards. If you don't know what I'm talking about: The ALPS switch, depending on the angle pressed, feels different. One side is more tactile than the other. On the V60 and Matias's keyboards, the clicky end of the keycap is further away from you, ie the direction your fingers tend to press towards.
On the V80, since it is flipped, keys tend to feel mushier and scratchier. Not that that's a bad thing though, it just feels different.
clickstops
85
Sep 22, 2016
SheldonChengIt is a V60 Quiet Click. Interesting post about the grease above this, thanks for saying that. I am going to give it a try.
ext3rN
141
Sep 22, 2016
clickstopsMatias QC aren't as smooth as Topre, yes, but I don't see how it relates to their tactility. I feel that they're more tactile than 55g Topre, which are more well known for their buttery smooth feeling than their tactility. As for clears, they have a big and spread out bump, which isn't as sharp as QC's bump IMO.
If anyone can suggest a non-clicky switch with a crisper bump, then go ahead, but until then I'll continue describing Matias QC as "crisp". It does come down to preference in the end though. As you can see, I value tactility more than anything in a switch.
ext3rN
141
Sep 22, 2016
YangtasticSorry, I'm not sure about the boot up issue. I did run into an issue where my keyboard wasn't recognized the first time I boot up Windows (was fine on Linux). IIRC I plugged it into a different port, and I never had the issue again. Not sure what was up with that, or whether it's related to the problem you're referring to.
clickstops
85
Sep 22, 2016
ext3rNSure, I can see what you mean about the tactility. Crisp isn't the descriptor I'd use, but I get what you're saying! I do really like the feel of the switch, despite the "crunchiness," if it weren't for the chattering.
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