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Massdrop x Rab Kinetic Jacket

Massdrop x Rab Kinetic Jacket

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Hello Everyone,
We are ecstatic to announce our first collaboration with Rab, probably best known for their high-end performance waterproof and down jackets. We've been working with them since the early days of our Ultralight Community here, with tremendous community response based on the high quality, excellent fit, top-end materials and focused design. 
Rab came out with the Kinetic Plus last year, quickly winning numerous awards, accolades and top reviews. Check out the Editors' Choice Award for Backpacker Magazine: https://www.backpacker.com/gear/rab-kinetic-plus-jacket
If you're looking for a superb waterproof shell, but are looking for something comfortable and subtle in appearance, this is it.  This rain jacket is very unlike most rain jackets you've tried - it is not shiny, loud, or stiff. It's breathability is at the highest end of what's possible for a rain jacket. it's quiet when you walk, subtle in looks, and super stretchy. It moves with you, rather than either restricting you or being too bulky. This jacket excels spring/summer/fall with it's focus on breathability, slim fit and minimalist feature set, yet it can be used all year round.
While we love the Kinetic Plus, we worked with Rab to come up with a more minimalist version for our Massdrop members. What we've changed:
1) Removed the hand pockets, and replaced with a hidden zippered chest pocket. This saves weight and makes it pack down smaller, but perhaps more importantly is that it increases breathability. Every pocket means there is a double layer of fabric, which inhibits breathability. Also, hand pockets can be difficult to access when wearing a backpack or harness. Handily, the jacket packs into the chest pocket for easy carry.
2) Removed the velcro wrist closures. Again, saves weight and space, but also slightly increases breathability while removing a complexity we don't feel is necessary with a stretch shell. 
3) New colorway of all-black for men and women, and the slate/salmon for men. Delivery Time: Right now, we're conservatively expecting an April 2018 delivery for this, which is perfect time for it's intended use. We're working to get that delivery date moved up meaningfully and I'll  periodically update you all throughout the production process. 
A note on fit: Rab clothing is known for their athletic cut, with slightly longer torso and arms for unrestrained motion. This jacket is particularly slim, which works because the fabric is so danged stretchy. However, it is not designed for layering over much clothing. It should fit over a light to mid-weight baselayer, and that's about it. If you're looking for something to layer over a puffy jacket or just prefer a more relaxed fit, please size up
From Rab: "Our Slim Fit garments are designed to be worn closer to the body or over layers such as base-layers and light mid-layers. Close fitting for maximum performance when moving dynamically." https://rab.equipment/us/kinetic-plus-jacket
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Hi Locus, I have a size 42 chest and have the original jacket in size L. It's VERY snug around the ole pecs. You should probably size up, especially if you want to wear anything other than just a compression under armour shirt underneath
My husband is that size and generally a large in Rab jackets works well for him.
Hi Everyone, Good news! The Massdrop x Rab Kinetic Jackets have arrived at the warehouse and we're planning on sending them out early. We estimate that the jackets will ship by the end of next week (February 9). If you need to change your delivery address please contact community support through your transactions page (https://www.massdrop.com/transactions) by Tuesday, February 6 at 5pm PT. We’re looking forward to everyone receiving the Massdrop x Rab Kinetic Jacket ahead of schedule!
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....it says it's a collab with rab and massdrop...it's not the same jacket as anywhere else.
This was developed in collaboration with Rab so this specific style is only available on Massdrop. The inner is grey for both.
North Face FTW
I typically wear an XL in most brands of shirts, what would be the appropriate size given the tighter fit? I assume XL might work??
Steve2
It does fit true to size but is overall slim. If you're looking to wear layers under it, sizing up would be a good option.
How does this jacket compare to the Outdoor Research - Foray that drops regularly for a similar, if not same price?
Bjorn
The biggest difference is the Foray has hand pockets and this only has a chest pocket
Anyway i can request expedited shipping, i ordered on Monday (10) with estimated ship date of Thursday (13)/Friday (14). I need this this jacket on Wednesday (19).
Wow, this would be a no brainer for me if you haven't removed both pockets and Wrist straps. What is the purpose of a waterproof rating if rain slips through the sleeves? Then, what is this jacket for anyway if the waterproof of it is useless? You have removed key features to reduce the weight in 0,1% but killed the main purpose of it, so you have a jacket that is as lightweight as the original but excellent in nothing. Fortunately I found an even better deal on an original design Kinetic Plus jacket. Next year's Rab Kinetic Alpine is going to be awesome. I hope to see it here on massdrop, but please do not kill this future jacket too.
alfas
I completely agree. I was about to pull the trigger, just based on it being a Rab Kinetic, but then I read the description. For me, removing the Velcro at the wrists is a no-go. Silly idea. Great looking jacket though, and I’ll just buy the Kinectic Plus elsewhere.
alfas
I guess if that's a huge problem not having wrist straps yet you want this jacket for all its other strengths, you can by heavy colored rubber bands for the wrists and stash them in the chest pocket :)
hi guys, i have been searching for this jacket at a reasonable price (below the USD 230 list price )for quite a long time, but the features you have removed from the Massdrop edition are a deal breaker for me.
1.- No pockets ?, I got several soft shells form RAB, and if they don't use hand pockets, they use Big napoleon chest pockets, I do own the torque and the sawtooth, the later one has regular pockets. but the torque is for me perfect for you as an example of what the Massdrop edition should be, it does do not interfere with the pack or the wader, and you can store there all what you need for your adventures.
2.- Wrist straps are for me a must it is raining and you have to reach something hight all the time, or move constantly your hands, Climbing, fly fishing..., for me it does not make any sense to remove this feature. ( just my two cents, and I am quite open to rethink why does make sense this to you in other uses.
3.- two way opening is something you do appreciate if you are climbing and frankly more than we can admit, looks sometimes silly but it is simply a great feature.
just my two cents Angel.
Looks great for the rain- how would this fare in snow?
No hand pockets? Because walking in the rain with your hands in pant pockets makes sense? Too bad, cuz seemed like a good jacket
Did you make your own design or is this last years model? The one on there website is different? Is the interior grey or white?
thanms
Really wanted this coat, but the sizing doesn't work for me. To get my sleeve length (36) I'd have to get an Extra Large, but then it would be 6 inches wider than I am. A nice not so formfitting blanket at that point lol. No love for slim and tall.
Does anyone have information on how to wash these? Do you need to use a special detergent like Nikwax?
Anyone else having problems getting a response from Massdrop support? I had a support thread going about this item and they went silent on me. I've been following up for three weeks and haven't heard anything.
First drop, 2nd, third? Am I missing the bar that usually shows what stage it's at?
I have not been here in a while so maybe they made changes.
looks like a great jacket. I just wish it had two-way zips and a stowable hood, both of which are very helpful for bicycling (ventilation and vision).
Can this be worn over a undershirt and dress shirt within the size chart or is sizing up recommended?
pwnerman
You should be able to wear it over a dress shirt/undershirt but not much more than that. Would suggest sizing up if you want the freedom to wear over a sweater. If you prefer the overall look of a slim fit, sizing true to size would be best.
Anyone have experience with how windproof this is?
How does this jacket maintain breathability if the fabric is designed to wet out when it rains? I thought that a key component of breathability was for the face fabric to remain free of water- hence the big emphasis on the importance of maintaining the DWR treatment on standard jackets.
I just got mine. The fit is non-typical. I'm 5'10" and 175lbs. I wear a 40 tailored fit suit jacket and have a 32" waist. I got the Men's Large Rab jacket in order to fit other layers underneath. Lucky I did. The upper body fit is very slim. A Medium would have been too tight across the chest and shoulders. Also, the arm holes are very constricting. They are high and feel tight at my arm pits. With a fleece layer on underneath it is downright uncomfortable at my arm pits. Also, the zipper is left handed, the opposite of every other piece of clothing I have. It is funny how difficult it is to zip because of this. Guess I need to work on the other side of my brain!
MJP12
Seems to be consistent fitment reports. Thanks for sharing!
Tried this jacket out last Saturday for the first time and it was horrible. It does not breathe. I have a brooks jacket I paid far less for that is waterproof and breathes a heck of a lot better. If I could return it I would.
Did it just magically become available to Australia?
Bee-Are-Why
appears that way. there goes my last excuse for not getting one. Well that and the fact that I already have 1 shell, 2 softshells and 2 windshirts...
Anybody find the lack of hand pockets to be a deal breaker?
Does the hem cinch, is elastic, or does it just hang loosely? I like to be able to keep my body heat in when its cold.
LamboD
There is no cinch at the hem on this jacket.
I have the kinetic Plus in the reddish colour which lives in my bag in case of rain (any time of year in Melbourne) ... But i really like the Massdrop version for the chest/stuff pocket. I hate that I have to carry a separate bag to stuff it in. I agree on the wrist Velcro, it's not something I am particularly keen on though I would've preferred elastic rather than nothing. Also appreciate the less conspicuous black.
In any case... Doesn't matter because AUSTRALIA. Aaaarrgghh!!!
Anyway, Let me add my voice to the rest of the Chorus on a few points though. A) I wear medium everything else. The medium looked good, but would not have allowed for any puffy layers and my muffin top is less obvious in the Large. Therefore... Size up! B) I love rain. On a particularly torrential day I left the office to do a couple of laps. The outer layer does wet out easily, but the inner layer kept me dry. Job well done! C) It is amazingly stretchy and breathable. I don't understand it. Must be magic. I've even used it to cover me AND an 20L backpack. D) The hood system is great. It won't come off. E) Pit zips. I don't say this lightly... I sweat super easily, but never felt like I needed them in this jacket.
MASSDROP/RAB... Please make a pants version!
Bee-Are-Why
Thanks for the insight! A pant option is a cool idea!
kim.suarez
Only if you can make it available in Australia. :)
I am Male, 6'1" 180# Just got my Jacket! Love the quality compared to other jackets in its class. Quality is top notch! Where most jackets in this class have only the inner membrane and the outer shell this jacket has 3 layers (constructed of superior materials imo) with the membrane sandwiched in between! That's a plus. The fit is snug in the butt but not in the torso, so that is a little strange. The drop tail hugs your butt a little. It is a little frumpy under the arms as well. I think they could have done a better job form fitting it honestly! But as usual, the fitter you are the better it will look on you. If you have larger shoulders like me it will fit nice and tight up there though. The elastic under the hood is a bit intense! Like, it ain't comin' off if you don't take it off and if you have something else with a hood underneath it it will press it into your forehead. I feel this should be looser! If you wear it long enought I feel like it will leave a big red line across your head. It runs mad small btw! I am a solid medium (I can not wear a small in any item in any brand that I have tried anymore) and the large in this wears like a medium. If you want any room at all and you are a SOLID medium, not skinny and you don't want something skin tight, buy the large! Like I said, depends on what you like. This way I can at least fit a light down layer underneath without looking like a stuffed animal that's been washed too many times! Happy dropping!
Rebegin
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Glad you like the jacket!
Rebegin
Hey glad you like this jacket. How is the Sleeve length and the opening at your wrist? would wrist straps make this jacket better?
Why there is no EU shipping?
Received mine from a recent drop. I'm very happy with it even tho it lacks hand pockets—love the material. Comfy, light, wind/waterproof outer shell that doesn't make noise!
Although the fit around the torso is on the slim / athletic side, the Small has plenty of shoulder, arm width, and arm length for me. Like other Rab gear, the sleeves are on the longish side for the size and movement is not restricted at all.
For reference I'm 150lbs and 5'9" & in men's dress shirts I wear a 16" neck w/ 32" sleeves and athletic / slim cut. The jacket fits close, but not tight across the chest with a light merino wool sweater on over a t-shirt underneath (so it's fine). If you're on the small side of a standard medium size like me, the Small is probably good. But if you're often finding standard medium sizes close fitting, then the Small will likely be too tight.
Scott
Glad you are happy with the jacket and thanks so much for sharing your insight on the fit!
Any impressions of rendered color accuracy would be welcome. Is Steel really blue-purplish with red logo, as shown? Black has grey logo? Thanks!
This one or the Hellium II? And why?
sispetr
Hood.
The hood on the helium is woeful. Reportedly, the hood on the Rab is very good.